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Post by fuzzysocks on Nov 11, 2011 19:57:03 GMT
Also, for ogling his own girlfriend, Smitty is being super serious about it. With a girlfriend like Parley, you take your ogling seriously. To throw my in lot into the Gay!Kat/ Straight!Kat debate, I'm going for straight. Personally I can't see why any characters have decided she's into girls, other than being good friends with Annie. Maybe you have to be there to see it. Kat's reaction in this page is just because she's worried about what people think about her. In other news - Chapter 1 of the Gunnerkrigg Court Fan Project is now fully online at YouTube! Go check it out I SECOND THIS ON THE KAT DEBATE!
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Post by Spike on Nov 11, 2011 20:15:19 GMT
Hahah, that was a cute page.
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Post by BingsF on Nov 11, 2011 20:29:02 GMT
Tom if you don't want us to think What Tom obviously wants us to think I think everyone is entitled to think what they want, is that not the point of art? You can't tell someone what to think. Some observations to put forth here:Annie is all over everyone. I would say that Jack's reprimand from last chapter has at least something to do with it--she feels that she's been cold and distant for too long, and now she's overcompensating by being all hugs n' smiles. I was thinking Annie was acting quite uncharacteristically cheerful/carefree this chapter, but somehow I couldn't put my finger on why. Thanks to you for reminding me of that! Also, what strikes me most about this issue of Kat's, is the second-to-last panel: Annie (being weirdly lighthearted for her), puts her arm around her shoulder as I'm sure would typically be quite normal for them, but Kat in her state can't even tolerate a friendly gesture from Annie?! That's the most serious reaction so far she's had, yeah? Time for some stuff to get resolved I think. And, on an unrelated note, I really like the drawing of Kat in panel 4. My favorite likeness of her so far, I think.
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Post by nomibear on Nov 11, 2011 22:45:36 GMT
Katerina Donlan: not a lesbian. Presumably. That, or she's got a thing for robots ;D
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Post by nero on Nov 11, 2011 22:51:20 GMT
I hope Kat can get over this insecurity. Why did Rey ask that question? I don't think anyone knows that Robby has a crush on Kat besides Shadow 2.
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Post by buzzybuzz on Nov 12, 2011 4:48:42 GMT
Hi, long time lurker and I actually had enough to say to justify making an account (been thinking of doing so for awhile, but even though I had things to say I felt like I shouldn't make an account). I've been following this comic since reading it all around New Years eve and have been lurking around the forum since Summer. I think it's more Reynard toying with Kat to see how she reacts. Whilst it's possible that she's Bi, we have evidence that she likes boys. {edit} Of course, he could be implying that she likes robot. ;-) Even then it's probably just him winding her up. I think Kat's standing up in order to get away from Annie's hands all over her. True. Given what Reynard said she'll probably keep her distance. I don't know, there is a storyline that shows she liked A boy. And he does look feminine. I just know there have been lesbians who have had a crush on a feminine type guy (or thought they did) before they realized they like girls. I "fell" for two guys because of their personality and one has what you would call feminine traits, which is what I was attracted to as well. Not saying she isn't bi (or straight and just worried about what people think, because hey people thinking you are a lesbian means guys wont ask you out/etc), just saying there is the chance she could be gay. We don't have enough information to guess fairly. We just have what she has shown externally. I know externally you look like one thing, and inside you are another. Wait, what's that sound? Oh, right, the rampant speculation engines revving up all over the globe. And it looks like whoever thought that the whole trying to look girlier with the flower-headband thing might be Kat's response to Paz questioning her sexuality and giving her doubts she's uncomfortable with was right. A cookie for thee. Also, I have a feeling that panels 2 and 3 actually isn't, at least not primarily, Smitty taking the opportunity to check out his hot girlfriend's moves. I think he's trying to come up with an assessment that might help her out. Of course, those two reasons aren't mutually exclusive. Oooh I didn't even think about that, the her trying to look more feminine. I noticed the headband and thought it looked out of place for her character. Haha... oh, Kat. I don't know if she's actually gay or not, but she reminds me a lot of me! I was in a similar situation last year, and spent the next few months fervently reminding people about how ENTIRELY 100% HETEROSEXUAL I AM DID I MENTION I LIKE DUDES? ... I totally dig chicks, hurr durr. :s It'll certainly be interesting to see where this goes, either way! HAHAHAAHAA oh gosh yes. I can relate to you! All of my life till recently I've tried to prove how ENTIRELY 100% HETEROSEXUAL I was. Then it was 100% Heteroromantic (asexual), but then I am going on to long about this. Basically, I myself am on the fence. On the one hand, I would LOVE for Kat to be gay (or bi). On the other, I am worried it plays into some stereotypes. Then again, some of those stereotypes are true... XD But one stereotype/trope/I don't know what I am genuinely worried about is her and Annie both being into each other, because people just can't be good friends/special best friends what have you. If Kat is gay/bi, and if she possibly gets with ANYONE, I do hope it's not Annie. Frankly, I kinda peg Annie to be possibly asexual aromantic myself. But again, this is based from what we have seen so far. But I wont dislike it if it does happen. Tom is a really great storyteller and I love this webcomic a lot. I trust whatever he has planned will be good. Very much looking forward to where this leads.
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Post by bonestheheretic on Nov 12, 2011 5:55:13 GMT
I started reading Gunnerkrigg before I knew what an aromantic asexual was, and I still pegged her as one, buzzybuzz. Now I know I AM one, and I really hope she is too... but I don't really think she is anymore. As for Kat, I don't really care whether she's gay/straight/bi/anything else, as long as her reactions continue to be realistic and entertaining.
Anyway, Ace highfive.
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Post by bingli on Nov 12, 2011 6:20:12 GMT
I also want Annie to turn out to be an aromantic asexual. It is so much more interesting and underrepresented.
I dont think Renard was trying to tease Kat, usually his snarks aren't so ambiguous.
I wonder if the girly flower/headband thing being on the cover of this chapter means that this Kat's insecure-ness/doesn't like girls/or maybe she does....thing, becomes super important in this chapter, or leads to something else?
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Post by basser on Nov 12, 2011 6:48:28 GMT
Maybe Renard wasn't trying to tease her, but just honestly forgot she was a girl? I know I know it sounds ridiculous but 1. he's a fox-demon thing and human gender is probably a bit more ambiguous to him anyway, and 2. dudes will totally forget you're a lady if you hang out with them long enough. I work at a lead mine and my coworkers constantly forget there's a lady in their midst. Even when I'm sitting right in front of them, in a tank top and pigtails. It leads to some rather entertaining moments in sexism. (One coworker started in on how women shouldn't be allowed to drive while I was driving the truck we were all riding in. And this is a grown-ass man with the highest technician level available on the mine site.) Just saying it's possible.
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 12, 2011 7:19:23 GMT
Maybe Renard wasn't trying to tease her, but just honestly forgot she was a girl? I know I know it sounds ridiculous but 1. he's a fox-demon thing and human gender is probably a bit more ambiguous to him anyway, and 2. dudes will totally forget you're a lady if you hang out with them long enough. I work at a lead mine and my coworkers constantly forget there's a lady in their midst. Even when I'm sitting right in front of them, in a tank top and pigtails. It leads to some rather entertaining moments in sexism. (One coworker started in on how women shouldn't be allowed to drive while I was driving the truck we were all riding in. And this is a grown-ass man with the highest technician level available on the mine site.) Just saying it's possible. Can't buy it with Renard. His behavior in the past has shown that he's fond of human females and fancies himself as (or at least is trying to act like) an interspecies ladies man and has rather shamelessly made inappropriate comments toward girls, underaged or not. I just can't picture him as the type who'll suddenly forget Kat as "one of the boys," especially since he's previously made a lesbian-kiss joke in a previous instance of Annie and Kat bonding.
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Post by muddkipz on Nov 12, 2011 8:45:58 GMT
I know that Kat could easily not be gay, just wanted to say that the whole trying to act like a girl and getting really defensive or nervous whenever someone mentions anything having to do with being gay is something I went through when I started realizing I might like girls.
But of course, if Kat is straight or if she's gay or if it's never addressed in the comic or anything else, I just want to see her be happy, because this comic has such great writing and plot and characters and I am absolutely emotionally invested at this point.
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Post by Eversist on Nov 12, 2011 16:23:10 GMT
... but this is the first time we've really seen her worry about what people think of her. Kat's always been insecure, what with her parent's status at the school, and being so freakin' brilliant. But we've also seen her act over-enthusiastic with the girls last chapter, trying to prove she has no problems with staying out all night. I think Kat's just going through an awkward teenage patch, here, trying to figure herself out.
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Post by basser on Nov 12, 2011 18:27:51 GMT
But of course, if Kat is straight or if she's gay or if it's never addressed in the comic or anything else, I just want to see her be happy, because this comic has such great writing and plot and characters and I am absolutely emotionally invested at this point. Oh man, seconded. I honestly couldn't care less what team Kat ends up batting for so long as everyone ends up happy in the end. Speaking of the end... I just got a weird image in my head of the last page of the comic being a shot of a very pregnant older Annie sitting at a writing desk finishing off the last few pages of her memoir. Damn that would be a downer.
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Post by Toloc on Nov 12, 2011 23:39:56 GMT
I'd say Kat's overcompensating and and insecure about herself, not just her perception by others The combination of this and post-Gillitie-Wood-Antimony's recklessness and newfound touchy-feelyness will be quite fun to read. I have no idea how this might turn out though.
Also: We're talking about Reynardine here. This guy is based on the single greatest trickster of European folklore I can think of. If Tom hasn't forgotten that, he knows damn well what he is asking Kat.
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Post by Eversist on Nov 13, 2011 3:56:55 GMT
Also: We're talking about Reynardine here. This guy is based on the single greatest trickster of European folklore I can think of. If Tom hasn't forgotten that, he knows damn well what he is asking Kat. Yeah, I'd be inclined to agree, but he's not in plushie form, which is when he's generally a prat. I think the question was a little more innocent than Kat assumed he meant. Especially because he didn't keep looking at her to see a reaction... he turns back to Smitty.
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Post by buzzybuzz on Nov 13, 2011 4:34:02 GMT
I started reading Gunnerkrigg before I knew what an aromantic asexual was, and I still pegged her as one, buzzybuzz. Now I know I AM one, and I really hope she is too... but I don't really think she is anymore. As for Kat, I don't really care whether she's gay/straight/bi/anything else, as long as her reactions continue to be realistic and entertaining. Anyway, Ace highfive. Your ace too! Cool. *ace high fives back* Yeah, I can agree with that, as long as she continues to be realistic and entertaining. That's what keeps me reading! That and just how awesome this world is, and many other things. XD I also want Annie to turn out to be an aromantic asexual. It is so much more interesting and underrepresented. I dont think Renard was trying to tease Kat, usually his snarks aren't so ambiguous. I wonder if the girly flower/headband thing being on the cover of this chapter means that this Kat's insecure-ness/doesn't like girls/or maybe she does....thing, becomes super important in this chapter, or leads to something else? I agree, and it would be an interesting story angle because she is expected to continue the cycle of what has happened in the past; getting married, having a daughter, as the daughter ages you slowly die, etc. Also, I agree that Reynardine might have meant it innocently. Then again just the wording he uses, the way he says: "You must admit it is a night sight, Katerina. Wouldn't you agree?". It is direct (probably just the way he speaks though). But it could just be "You have to agree it's a nice sight", like something you would ask someone who you know doesn't like X (like a panting) but has to at least appreciate/know it is pretty. Man I am glad I can join in the discussion now, I wish I made this account sooner.
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Post by BingsF on Nov 13, 2011 5:17:20 GMT
Hi buzzybuzz! Yeah, the wording makes me lean a little more to give Renard the benefit of the doubt in that. If he were being his typical 'doll' persona, I would imagine something more along the lines of "I'll wager the only concentration you're concerned about is that of your own staring!" *oh snap* Interesting side note: this conversation brings to mind an old Formspring or forum post I remember seeing from Tom. It was in response to some question about what Reynardine's real personality is like, considering the apparent differences between the doll and wolf, Tom said that in his own body, Rey would best be described as a mix of both the wolf and the doll. Implying, I guess, that these are just two sides to him, equally true to his real self.
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Post by poptropicagirl on Nov 13, 2011 5:39:28 GMT
Wait is it just me or is this page out a day early I live in the US. Edit: Oh wait, never mind. (facepalm) Another edit: I personally think Kat is straight. I mean, she liked Alistair. And remember all those action figures she had? That were hot? ;D There's nothing wrong with her being lesbian though, but I think it wouldn't really fit. And I like how embarassed Smits is in the second to last panel.
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Post by Geekette on Nov 13, 2011 6:03:44 GMT
Why do I get the feeling that it will turn out that Reynard was totally implying that Kat must be excited to watch robot, since she built the body and is always looking on ways to improve her designs? It just feels like something Tom would pull on us.
I'm not even sure if I'd include Alistair in the straight/lesbian debate. I can't help but feel that that was at the age where Kat's crush was intellectual and physical but not actually sexually based. 'This is a really cool guy who I like a lot', with less of the hormones at work sort of thing. Assuming that other people in the world have had that phase and its not just me, of course.
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Post by warrl on Nov 13, 2011 7:47:47 GMT
Also, what strikes me most about this issue of Kat's, is the second-to-last panel: Annie (being weirdly lighthearted for her), puts her arm around her shoulder as I'm sure would typically be quite normal for them, but Kat in her state can't even tolerate a friendly gesture from Annie?! Given Kat's recent conversation with Paz, and their age, it matters a great deal just how friendly that gesture is. Now check where Kat is looking, and think about where Annie's hand is.
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Post by Eversist on Nov 13, 2011 8:59:28 GMT
I don't know why people keep saying things about Robot... I know people try and guess at everything so someone is bound to be right, but I don't think anyone in the comic would imply that Kat has feelings... or anything, other than friendship for Robot. That would just be silly... not to mention strange. Seeing as it's impossible.
Also, in my opinion: Viewing as Messiah of your Kind =/= Romantic Interest
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Post by nomibear on Nov 13, 2011 12:09:44 GMT
I don't know why people keep saying things about Robot... I know people try and guess at everything so someone is bound to be right, but I don't think anyone in the comic would imply that Kat has feelings... or anything, other than friendship for Robot. That would just be silly... not to mention strange. Seeing as it's impossible. Also, in my opinion: Viewing as Messiah of your Kind =/= Romantic Interest AH-HEMHEM. Keep in mind that she CREATED Robot's body - no doubt she has some degree of pride for having made something so flippin' awesome. She doesn't have to be romantically interested in order to be proud. But yeah... It's very unlikely she likes him, yes. I was making a joke in my other post.
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Post by Eversist on Nov 13, 2011 18:39:24 GMT
I was really just making a general comment not pointed at anyone, hoping someone could explain. I've seen the musing all over, not just here.
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Post by Mishmash on Nov 13, 2011 20:18:00 GMT
I didn't read Renard as trying to wind up Kat in this page, I think he was just chatting to her without any subtext. Before this recent spate of insecurity she probably would have been the one to laugh and agree that Parley is pretty good-looking!
I'm very much looking forward to seeing what Kat does tomorrow.
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Post by buzzybuzz on Nov 14, 2011 0:19:56 GMT
OH WAIT, I just remembered, didn't Kat use to really like Mr. Eglamore?
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Post by Link 1228 on Nov 14, 2011 0:44:12 GMT
OH WAIT, I just remembered, didn't Kat use to really like Mr. Eglamore? Indeed. There's also this, if you take the bonus pages as canon.
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Post by descoladavirus on Nov 14, 2011 1:47:56 GMT
OH WAIT, I just remembered, didn't Kat use to really like Mr. Eglamore? Indeed. There's also this, if you take the bonus pages as canon. You forgot Muut oh and this.It seems to me like a bunch of fans want Kat to be whatever they are simply because it would be cool, while ignoring everything presented so far. I'm not saying Kat is gay or isn't gay or couldn't be either. I'm saying what has been presented so far doesn't point to that being the case. Moving on, Smitty does seem to be contemplating how Parley is fighting (when he can keep his mind out of the gutter, Renard is a bad influence!) I'm really intrigued to see if he can come up with anything awesome or just continue ogling her. Renard seems to be taking an almost parental role in their lives, which is kinda heartwarming. I've been thinking about Parleys swordfighting style and I'm concerned about it being unsuited for combat with Jeanne. She uses her sword as a shield and her body as more of her offensive weapon. Deflecting or keeping the blade away from her while she gets her body close then uses her opponents momentum and her own body as a weapon works fine against a human or robot, but a expert swordswoman ghost?
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Post by buzzybuzz on Nov 14, 2011 2:18:52 GMT
OH WAIT, I just remembered, didn't Kat use to really like Mr. Eglamore? Indeed. There's also this, if you take the bonus pages as canon. Thanks! Indeed. There's also this, if you take the bonus pages as canon. You forgot Muut oh and this.It seems to me like a bunch of fans want Kat to be whatever they are simply because it would be cool, while ignoring everything presented so far. I'm not saying Kat is gay or isn't gay or couldn't be either. I'm saying what has been presented so far doesn't point to that being the case. Moving on, Smitty does seem to be contemplating how Parley is fighting (when he can keep his mind out of the gutter, Renard is a bad influence!) I'm really intrigued to see if he can come up with anything awesome or just continue ogling her. Renard seems to be taking an almost parental role in their lives, which is kinda heartwarming. I've been thinking about Parleys swordfighting style and I'm concerned about it being unsuited for combat with Jeanne. She uses her sword as a shield and her body as more of her offensive weapon. Deflecting or keeping the blade away from her while she gets her body close then uses her opponents momentum and her own body as a weapon works fine against a human or robot, but a expert swordswoman ghost? It's not a matter of just being cool for some people, it's just an interesting angle to the story/to think about. And for those who are gay/bi it would be nice. I myself forgot about these examples until my post above. Now it doesn't seem as likely. That is a good point, that probably wont work very well with a ghost.
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Post by goldenknots on Nov 14, 2011 3:44:35 GMT
That is a good point, that probably wont work very well with a ghost. I doubt if anything is going to be effective against Jeanne, but it may be sufficiently useful to keep her distracted and off guard while Annie's plan is put into execution. I'm assuming it's her plan, at least partly, and I rather expect it to be directed at retrieving the green arrow, primarily.
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Post by lilith on Nov 24, 2011 23:58:41 GMT
I hate to sound like a rabid shipper, but I do think Annie and Kat make a cute couple. I doubt that will actually happen, but they are just so sweet together- I mean, I started wondering about them way back when Annie first went to the Annan Waters and Kat rescued her. I don't want to try to see things that aren't there, or try to, like, deny canon, that's just how things look to me. It's a big pet peeve of mine when people obsessively ship something illogical or start jumping to conclusions, so I'm a little surprised to be saying this. It's really not such a stretch with Annie and Kat. I thought it was kind of interesting how Kat looked at the sleeping Paz, like- "Dang, DO I like her?" And even if Reynard is talking about robot, it's unclear if Kat is interpreting it that way. None of this necessarily means Kat is a lesbian, but it's not looking impossible. Kat/Robot is another cool pairing, and it's the other way to interpret this scene. To quote the translator of Azumanga Daioh: I await the bricks to come smashing through my bedroom window.
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