ryos
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Post by ryos on Oct 21, 2011 17:12:41 GMT
Well I loved the title. I read it in an environment where laughing out loud would not be polite, but it definitely put a big stupid grin on my face.
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Post by King Mir on Oct 21, 2011 17:15:37 GMT
To me the title suggests that this will be another chapter like Terror Castle Of The Jupiter Moon Martians, which didn't describe a single complete event, like most other chapters do.
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Post by Shunpike on Oct 21, 2011 18:05:37 GMT
Well, this looks fun. Perhaps we will accidentally return to her room again. The pink + flower makes me think that. Eh.
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Post by Amethyst on Oct 21, 2011 19:02:13 GMT
Damn, another chapter about robots?
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Post by crater on Oct 21, 2011 19:23:02 GMT
The percent chance Annie will shoot a fireball this chapter: 39.8%
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Post by quirkykelly on Oct 21, 2011 20:15:02 GMT
From what I've observed, the following chapter themes seem to commonly cycle around - Forest/Coyote stuff, Court backstory/Jeanne stuff, Zimmy/White Legs, Robots, Students Messing Around, Annie/Renardine family backstory, and Flashbacks. I'm hoping this chapter will somehow involve secrets about the court and possibly Jeanne, though I think a Jeanne appearance is less likely, but I'm hoping for one! We're also due for another Zimmy appearance, but I think that's less likely since Jack just declared his love, holding off on Zimmy for another couple of chapters would build the suspense more. Also, Tom mentioned that we would learn more about the Foley house at some point, so perhaps the Fairies will make a reappearnce soon. We haven't had a flashback in a while, but a flashforward featuring Parley and Smitty as married adults cryptically reflecting back on their time at the Court would be awesome I don't think that's Tom's style, but I would love seeing that chapter!
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Post by karlito on Oct 21, 2011 20:50:21 GMT
I've got dibs on "this chapter is about something else entirely, and they only show up in the final page(s)" It's possible. In the archive menu this page is called, "Bonus Page 35," rather than "Chapter 35"
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Post by sharpey on Oct 22, 2011 5:38:37 GMT
The percent chance Annie will shoot a fireball this chapter: 39.8%Hmmmm. That's very specific. So specific I'm going to agree with you. Also because I would to see it happen. So since we've been told Smitty and Parley are in this one, how much of a troll is Tom going to be? They appear in one panel?
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Post by legion on Oct 22, 2011 10:22:13 GMT
Stop equating "surprising the readership" with "being a troll".
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Post by BingsF on Oct 22, 2011 14:29:13 GMT
I'm hoping this chapter will somehow involve secrets about the court and possibly Jeanne, though I think a Jeanne appearance is less likely, but I'm hoping for one! Annie purposefully hid her knowledge of Jeanne from Jones before (though Jones hinted at a bit of omniscience there anyway), and I don't see Kat being inclined to spill the beans there. However, now that Parley and Smit know about Jeanne I don't see why they would necessarily be obliged not to talk to Jones about her. Plus, Jeanne's situation is likely a perfect example of something one would need a medium for, no? Mediation between the natural realms of men and the etheric? So I'm thinking if we do have some medium-training happening soon, Jeanne might very well be a part of it. Stop equating "surprising the readership" with "being a troll". 'Ear 'ear
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Post by quirkykelly on Oct 22, 2011 18:39:45 GMT
Looking back at that link, Jones also instructed Annie to investigate Jeanne's story before she told her anything, with Annie and Parley did, so perhaps now it's time to reveal their knowledge to Jones? If they trust her that is. Like you said, it seems more likely that Parley & Smitty would trust Jones enough to tell her.
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Post by quirkykelly on Oct 22, 2011 18:50:40 GMT
Unrelated, but I'm having trouble adding an avatar :/
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Post by descoladavirus on Oct 22, 2011 20:12:03 GMT
I love gunnerkrigg court. Its been added to the list of web-comics I check every day it updates, I come here often to see what other fans are saying, and I even braved the godawful tv tropes page to see some of their readerships thoughts on it. I've braved the occasional forum goer saying "tom should've done this with character x and y." or "when will tom stop trolling us and put x and y together?" I cringe every time I see someone say that. If you respect Tom's work, why on earth would you say that?
What makes anyone think Tom has to do what you expect or want? I love it when the story does something I didn't expect or want, because I love being surprised and it makes a much more interesting narrative. Being a imaginative, creative story teller doesn't make Tom a troll, it makes him a storyteller who has his own mind and answers to himself and his characters (and possibly book publishers?)
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Post by todd on Oct 22, 2011 22:30:18 GMT
Looking back at that link, Jones also instructed Annie to investigate Jeanne's story before she told her anything, with Annie and Parley did, so perhaps now it's time to reveal their knowledge to Jones? If they trust her that is. Like you said, it seems more likely that Parley & Smitty would trust Jones enough to tell her. I wonder how safe it would be to tell the grown-ups about Jeanne. The present faculty at Gunnerkrigg, of course, doesn't know about her murder and cover-up. But if they found out about this from Annie and Co., they might be concerned about their discovery: 1. It would reveal an embarrassing secret about the Founders of the Court, something that they wouldn't want to become public. 2. If it became public, not only would the school know that the Founders were murderers, but also that they're at the edge of a forest filled with human-hating creatures, that Jeanne's probably the only thing holding them back from launching an attack on the Court, and that she herself hates everyone in the Court, because it's on their account that she was murdered and condemned to ghosthood. Imagine the panic and terror that would spread through the children once that became generally known. 3. Annie and her friends want to free Jeanne, which would endanger the Court all the more in removing one of its lines of defence against the forest-folk. I don't think that the Court faculty would go so far as to make Annie, Kat, Parley and Smith disappear for good if they met with the teachers and revealed what they knew (not to mention that it would mean losing all three of their future mediums, at a point when they'll need a medium). But it would certainly ensure many sleepless nights for them. Jones, on the other hand, while she lives at the Court, doesn't seem to be taking sides, and might be a safe person to approach. (On the other hand, Annie and Co. might not approach her because then she might handle it and keep them from solving the problem.)
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Post by ryos on Oct 22, 2011 23:30:36 GMT
I disagree with this statement. The only forest creature that has ever been shown or stated to hate humans is Ysengrin. It is certainly true that the original founders feared the forest creatures. But I don't think the current leadership respects them enough to actually fear them. The only one they truly fear is Coyote, and he's powerful enough to cross the waters at will anyway.
I doubt they'd be in favor of removing Jeanne's protection. But at the same time, I doubt they'd be too concerned if it were gone.
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Post by Pietja on Oct 23, 2011 1:07:28 GMT
God D.M. IT! I can't wait to see who's gonna be in this chapter!
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Post by rainofsteel on Oct 23, 2011 2:59:01 GMT
I am hoping that Annie, Kat, Parley, and Andrew are on the hunt for the mystery behind Jeanne again.
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Post by mudmaniac on Oct 23, 2011 9:17:54 GMT
I love gunnerkrigg court. Its been added to the list of web-comics I check every day it updates, I come here often to see what other fans are saying, and I even braved the godawful tv tropes page to see some of their readerships thoughts on it. I've braved the occasional forum goer saying "tom should've done this with character x and y." or "when will tom stop trolling us and put x and y together?" I cringe every time I see someone say that. If you respect Tom's work, why on earth would you say that? What makes anyone think Tom has to do what you expect or want? I love it when the story does something I didn't expect or want, because I love being surprised and it makes a much more interesting narrative. Being a imaginative, creative story teller doesn't make Tom a troll, it makes him a storyteller who has his own mind and answers to himself and his characters (and possibly book publishers?) Here here. Indeed I always find Tom's story method to be surprising and refreshing. I like being kept guessing. It gives his characters dimension and hidden depth.
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Post by sharpey on Oct 23, 2011 9:44:51 GMT
I love gunnerkrigg court. Its been added to the list of web-comics I check every day it updates, I come here often to see what other fans are saying, and I even braved the godawful tv tropes page to see some of their readerships thoughts on it. I've braved the occasional forum goer saying "tom should've done this with character x and y." or "when will tom stop trolling us and put x and y together?" I cringe every time I see someone say that. If you respect Tom's work, why on earth would you say that? What makes anyone think Tom has to do what you expect or want? I love it when the story does something I didn't expect or want, because I love being surprised and it makes a much more interesting narrative. Being a imaginative, creative story teller doesn't make Tom a troll, it makes him a storyteller who has his own mind and answers to himself and his characters (and possibly book publishers?) Here here. Indeed I always find Tom's story method to be surprising and refreshing. I like being kept guessing. It gives his characters dimension and hidden depth. Certainly, I love twist and turns in the storyline and character development. Without them all you have is a very dull and linear story. Of course he doesn't have to do what we want, nor should he, because it would be a nightmare and also a dull story. But when its likely he knows that Parley and Smitty are popular as supporting characters, by giving a direct statement that they're in this next story there is much potential for them to be only in one panel or a few pages. This is purposefully agitating people, which is trolling. Good or bad, it is still trolling. I didn't say it was bad for him to be defeating our expectations, I just asked to what extent people think it is going to happen. By all means he can and should antagonise us and I'm glad he does. But it is still trolling
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Post by legion on Oct 23, 2011 10:22:14 GMT
No it's not and you're dumb. *antagonize this*
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Post by sharpey on Oct 23, 2011 10:35:55 GMT
Well played, sir.
Also; I know you are, you said you are, but what am I?
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Post by redwolf4 on Oct 23, 2011 15:42:37 GMT
Twits. . .
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Post by Toloc on Oct 23, 2011 19:03:15 GMT
2. If it became public, not only would the school know that the Founders were murderers, but also that they're at the edge of a forest filled with human-hating creatures, that Jeanne's probably the only thing holding them back from launching an attack on the Court, and that she herself hates everyone in the Court, because it's on their account that she was murdered and condemned to ghosthood. Imagine the panic and terror that would spread through the children once that became generally known. I don't recall it being said that the forest creatures were only waiting for a chance to attack The only one shown to be directly hateful is Ysengrin. The rest was only said to be fearful (or even quite nice if "encouraged" by Coyote) Looking back at that link, Jones also instructed Annie to investigate Jeanne's story before she told her anything, with Annie and Parley did, so perhaps now it's time to reveal their knowledge to Jones? If they trust her that is. Like you said, it seems more likely that Parley & Smitty would trust Jones enough to tell her. At the end of Coward Heart Parley said that she wanted to see Jeanne again before telling anyone (explicitly including Jones) what they had learned up to that point
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Post by todd on Oct 23, 2011 22:19:24 GMT
I don't recall it being said that the forest creatures were only waiting for a chance to attack The only one shown to be directly hateful is Ysengrin. The rest was only said to be fearful (or even quite nice if "encouraged" by Coyote) Maybe, but the situation must have been serious back then for the Founders to go to the lengths of a double murder to keep the forest-folk from crossing the river. (Of course, Diego might have exaggerated the danger in order to make the Founders his accomplices in killing Jeanne - but there would have to have been something for him to build on.)
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Post by descoladavirus on Oct 24, 2011 1:32:43 GMT
My point is that I don't think Tom is antagonizing anyone. He's telling his story, probably the same way he's wanted to tell it since he thought of it. I don't get what all these people are thinking when they say he's antagonizing or trolling. Trolling or antagonizing your readership has been done in some comics, but not Tom's.
I'm with agreement that it might be more of Parley and Smith investigating Jeanne or even better, learning new ways to use their powers (other than party hat delivery.) I'm happy either way, really.
As for all this "forest creatures hate humans" I don't think its quite how it goes. Originally they were probably scared and angry because the humans had decimated every bit of forest on their side (which some of them later learned was a mistake) and treated them without respect. Now they're simply scared and at best they want to co-exist. (Except Ysengrin, bad wolf!)
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Post by King Mir on Oct 24, 2011 2:49:57 GMT
I agree with those who say that equating Tom's story telling with internet trolling is unfounded and somewhat rude. Don't paint too sunny a picture. Yesngrin, can't be the only one who thinks the way he does. Shadow 2 didn't find friends among the forest folk for a reason. Jones' description on this page is probably the most accurate description of the social climate of the two sides we have.
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Post by sharpey on Oct 24, 2011 3:24:52 GMT
I'm not saying he is a troll, I'm saying there is potential for it and wondering what he's going to do.
How is that rude?
With regard to the conflict between the two sides, isn't it really just a case of fear of the unknown? They don't understand each other and so they don't trust each other. I don't think either side can really be considered the aggressor
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Post by goldenknots on Oct 24, 2011 4:21:18 GMT
I'm not saying he is a troll, I'm saying there is potential for it and wondering what he's going to do. How is that rude? It's rude to apply a pejorative expression to the author, considering that he's the host of this forum, and is kind enough to keep updating his comic in spite of the morons who form a small but obnoxious part of his following. So, if there's anyone "trolling" here, it's the people who keep bringing the subject up and implying that an author's plot twists are on the same plane as jerks who derail online communities. So, stop peeing in the punch bowl. It's not polite.
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Post by sharpey on Oct 24, 2011 4:47:50 GMT
Ah. I think I see the problem now. When my friends and I use troll, we generally have use it as a term similar to "Devil's Advocate"; when someone takes an opposite position in a conversation to provide the conversation with somewhere further to travel and to make it more thought provoking. Thus, it is not an offensive term, just something necessary for a good conversation.
When I used it above, I was using it under this context and did not even consider the origins of it in online forums.
Rest assured I feel quite silly now and please accept my humblest of apologies.
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Post by goldenknots on Oct 24, 2011 5:14:57 GMT
Rest assured I feel quite silly now and please accept my humblest of apologies. No problem. I know words shift their meanings over time, but one should take such things into account, especially in a setting where previous uses of the term were negatively received.
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