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Post by goldenknots on Jun 27, 2011 11:14:50 GMT
Quite the flock, let's just hope the robots follow the example of human religions. Martyr their god, you mean? Not an idea I like. Losing Kat would be a very sad turn for the story.
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Post by caelo on Jun 27, 2011 12:08:47 GMT
This has gone way past a simple crush now. This is full-blown idol-worship. But what are Robot's reasons? Robots don't do anything that's not in their programming, so what part of Robot's programming is compelling him to find a worship-figure? Robot and the rest of the g.r. link Kat to the part of there program dedicated to Jeanne and Diego . Robot is a little further along this line. But Most of all I think this is foreshadowing the Kat's mind has proven an inhuman capacity for science and engineering. Maybe robot see this in her nature like the forest sees the fire spirit in Anny.
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Post by caelo on Jun 27, 2011 12:11:02 GMT
Also om my God "Thanks for reading" is not a comment I like to read half way through the reading of any work.
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Post by rainofsteel on Jun 27, 2011 12:16:21 GMT
Well, everyone has already had the same thought I also had, "It's Robot Prophet time!" I wonder how long it will be before he begins to organize a crusade.
Shadow looks worried and I am on his side.
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Post by Goatmon on Jun 27, 2011 12:33:24 GMT
Oh lord, Robot, what are you doing? Quite the flock, let's just hope the robots follow the example of human religions. Yes, what would possibly go wrong with that?
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 27, 2011 12:56:21 GMT
Haha! And you guys thought that Frank was being melodramatic!
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Post by mechagai on Jun 27, 2011 13:06:02 GMT
Also om my God "Thanks for reading" is not a comment I like to read half way through the reading of any work. Tom has always said this at the end of every chapter, not just now. Why are you panicking? It's never meant anything beyond simple yet deep appreciation for his readers.
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Post by Geekette on Jun 27, 2011 13:07:19 GMT
Quite the flock, let's just hope the robots follow the example of human religions. Martyr their god, you mean? Not an idea I like. Losing Kat would be a very sad turn for the story. They might have already done the matyred part with Jeanne. Which instead puts Kat into some sort of already going cycle. Something cyclic would work for robots, in the sense that their natural lifespan is theoretically much longer than a humans - but what we've seen so far says Kat's the first since Deigo they've given a sort of reverence to. This has gone way past a simple crush now. This is full-blown idol-worship. But what are Robot's reasons? Robots don't do anything that's not in their programming, so what part of Robot's programming is compelling him to find a worship-figure? Robot and the rest of the g.r. link Kat to the part of there program dedicated to Jeanne and Diego . Robot is a little further along this line. But Most of all I think this is foreshadowing the Kat's mind has proven an inhuman capacity for science and engineering. Maybe robot see this in her nature like the forest sees the fire spirit in Anny. A lot of the robot's actions towards Jeanne's grave certainly hinted at something akin to religion, but this is certainly the closest we've had to something directly like it. If the link factor is where Robot's taking this, I wonder what he'll do next. Is she being put on the creator/Deigo side? Or do he want to put her directly in the middle, something akin to the Holy Trinity? Or does saving Kat from a hypothetical something act as a redemption for " She died and we did nothing"?
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Post by arabesque on Jun 27, 2011 13:30:49 GMT
It seems the comic relief characters have drifted into a serious storyline. Shadow 2 doesn't appear to like what Robot's turning into...and the "how easily she can take it away" almost seems like he's trying to make the other robots fear her.
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Post by darlos9d on Jun 27, 2011 13:49:56 GMT
This has gone way past a simple crush now. This is full-blown idol-worship. But what are Robot's reasons? Robots don't do anything that's not in their programming, so what part of Robot's programming is compelling him to find a worship-figure? Let's be a bit careful here. It's easy to look at those measly robots and say "they're just following their programming!" But once you hit upon legitimate AI, which these robots seem to have, things start getting a bit more complicated. Emergent ideas and protocols that weren't originally included in the base programming are pretty much the GOAL of AI. So you can't just talk about some pre-loaded set of abilities or personality traits, since they should be fully capable of developing on their own. Which Robot seems to be doing, for better or for worse. To look at it from another angle, take a look at us human beings. Once again its easy to say "we're not pre-programmed. We can do what we want!" But in reality, we all have a lot of "pre-programmed" basic instincts (survival, procreation) that dictate a lot of what we do and don't want to do. Also, if you want to look at it from a Turing angle and analyze pre-determined responses to stimuli, an individual human being actually only has so many verbal and physical responses to various situations. If this weren't the case, we probably wouldn't have identifiable personalities! ... long story short, let's not poo-poo the robots, assuming they're less intelligent beings than us or something just because we know somebody else created them from scratch. Understanding how a machine works doesn't make it any less complex (or simple) of a machine. This is true of both Humans (which we still don't understand, since we didn't create them) and AI (which we would have to understand because we would have created it). Though when it's all said and done, Robot is starting to sound a little scary regardless.
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Post by Rafael on Jun 27, 2011 14:08:51 GMT
This has gone way past a simple crush now. This is full-blown idol-worship. But what are Robot's reasons? Robots don't do anything that's not in their programming, so what part of Robot's programming is compelling him to find a worship-figure? Hm, do we know that? There is a robot king, a rising robot religion, there are instructions in the Court on what to do if a robot feels attracted to you, and even the fact that the ancient robots intentionally deactivated themselves. It could be that their programming is just a lot more complex than we hope to understand, but it seems more to me that they have the capacity to transcend it. But going with the idea that they can't do anything outside their programming, there's also the fact that Kat is the first human to be able to actually give life to the robots. They had been entirely self-maintained up until Kat (and Robot) showed up, so that's probably what's causing the worship. She looks better at it than the robots too, judging from Robot. Also, is anyone else worried about "how easily she gave life and how easily she took it away"? Of course taking it away took a second, but giving life? It took Kat days to figure that out, and it's possible she wouldn't even be able to do it if there had been bigger damage than a scratch at the heart. Does Robot not know that, or is he just being biased? I think that second option is very dangerous.
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Post by Kuraimizu on Jun 27, 2011 15:26:32 GMT
the Point of view of Robots. The Robots and the Golems Revere Diego as the Creator of not only their bodies but their very souls. to them Diego was their God, their Father, and their Master. Diego healed them when they broke, and created new life, as he saw fit. Diego had a gift, that neither human or Golem was able to duplicate in Diego's lifetime. He was with them only a short time, and then their beloved Creator left them. The Golems try as they might were unable to duplicate the hearts and the bodies, Diego had so Lovingly created for them. But the Golems were able to read the "code" that no other human was capable of understanding. and the Golems thought of an idea. To use the "Code" not in a heart but as holographic programing combined with simpler bodies. this they were able to pass on to the Robots the Children of the Golems. Years passed, the Tomb of the Golems was forgotten by the robots, and later found by Anja and Surma. Unsuccessful in reviving the Golems, Anja kept the key, and together with Donald created her Wondrous Etheric Computer Server. Years passed, Robot S13 was dismantled or was never assembled in the first place for one reason or another, and left in a box in a closet left to wait for one who might find him and have compassion. More years passed, how many we can not know, S13 awoke to find a girl had assembled him. to what else could he call this Girl Antimony who had given him life, and even free agency, but "Mother". And such he called her till through circumstances not of his control, he was framed for her attempted murder, disassembled, and sent to research. S13 thinking himself lost, awoke to the new face of a beautiful girl he could only view as his angel and savior for again providing him with a body, and consciousness. to her he would forever refer as "Angel", more so after learning this Angel who returned him to his Second or Third Life, had not only provided himself with consciousness, but had rescued the one he called "Mother" when he had been forced to see his own body against his will send his dear Mother into the Abyss under the Bridge of the Annan Waters. Truly this Kat was an Angel. Another year or two passed with Anja passing the Key of the Tomb to her Daughter Katerina, who she knew would find the Golems that had captivated her in her own youth. it was here in Kat's new Lab, She and Annie had found the Tomb, and witnessed the Play of the Golems. and it was here that S13 had a new body build by his Angel. a body that was the equal or rival of most any of the other robots, a body fast and Agile. And it was here in the Angel's Lab that he witnessed her true power. for here was one who could read the "Code". Not since Diego had any Human been capable of reading the Etheric Code that was the source of life, soul, and power for all the robots. And here was this Angel who Could not only read and understand the code, but could repair it. for it was this Angel who was able to return life to the Golems, and it was her who also took it away. it was then he realized, this Angel was More. She was the Equal or would one day soon become the Equal or Surpass their Creator Diego himself. This was an Angel who would one day become More than an Angel for she would become a Goddess, a new Creator, who would Create new Golems, and new Robots. Here was a New Day, and a new Light. it was on this Day the Gods had returned. and it was for The Goddess Katerina the Robots and Golems had patiently waited all these cold years. Praise to the New Light. Praise to Angel, The Goddess Katerina. We're witnessing the birth of Robot Katolicism. Bravo excellent pun. I like that one.
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Post by q3 on Jun 27, 2011 15:49:23 GMT
Seems he's not Robot Jesus so much as he is Robot John the Baptist. Will the robot uprising finally come to an end when the Headmaster orders Robot beheaded?
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Post by Fhqwhgads on Jun 27, 2011 16:45:38 GMT
Seems he's not Robot Jesus so much as he is Robot John the Baptist. Will the robot uprising finally come to an end when the Headmaster orders Robot beheaded? Holy crap, are you me? This was exactly what I logged in to post
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Post by basser on Jun 27, 2011 17:11:39 GMT
Seems he's not Robot Jesus so much as he is Robot John the Baptist. Will the robot uprising finally come to an end when the Headmaster orders Robot beheaded? Wasn't Robot already beheaded turned into paperclips like 20 chapters ago? And dismantled before that? He is one hardy Baptist.
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Post by theweatherman on Jun 27, 2011 18:44:29 GMT
Oh dear, it seems we have a problem...
Unless Kat actually IS an angel (my pet theory) in which case the worship would be unwanted but understandable. Do the robots see something we don't or is our Robot just that good at influencing the others?
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jun 27, 2011 19:34:29 GMT
Remember, S13 was originally taken apart for causing trouble. Maybe it wasn't all accidental? I WANTED TO BE THE ONE TO POINT THAT OUT, DANG IT.
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Post by todd on Jun 27, 2011 22:23:22 GMT
there are instructions in the Court on what to do if a robot feels attracted to you, I agree with the other items on the list, but I think that the instructions are just one of the comic relief moments and shouldn't be taken too seriously. Robot's fixation on Kat would be a better example.
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Post by Per on Jun 27, 2011 22:34:32 GMT
I think stuff in bonus pages should be considered 100% super canon.
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Post by penguinfactory on Jun 27, 2011 22:56:11 GMT
I love the last panel on this page. The composition and dramatic impact of it are really something else. As for what's going on here..... at first I thought Robot's fixation on Kat was due to his past experiences, but it's getting to the point where it's starting to seem like latent insanity. I think stuff in bonus pages should be considered 100% super canon. Lindsey's "Welcome to year 9" pamphlet is 100% canon. Anyone who says otherwise is a filthy liar >:0
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Post by fuzzysocks on Jun 27, 2011 23:08:42 GMT
We're witnessing the birth of Robot Katolicism. or a Kataclysm XD XD XD
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Post by rainofsteel on Jun 28, 2011 0:07:07 GMT
Accompanied by a Pyroclasm, maybe?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 28, 2011 0:12:38 GMT
Oh dear, it seems we have a problem... Unless Kat actually IS an angel (my pet theory) in which case the worship would be unwanted but understandable. Do the robots see something we don't or is our Robot just that good at influencing the others? They see something we don't.
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Post by ryos on Jun 28, 2011 0:21:51 GMT
We're witnessing the birth of Robot Katolicism. Qouted for lulz. ;D
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Post by Geekette on Jun 28, 2011 6:43:14 GMT
But, the thing is, the robots already had some semblance of a religion. Remember the Tic-Tocs? Mythical beasts created by a divine being, from before the court, who watch over us all. That's what the robots believe - there is some truth to this, but its also true that Kat gave and took life from Frankenbot. What we have with Kat is... something new. A new religion. Maybe it will be integrated into what they already believe. Or maybe we actually will end up with a robot holy war.
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Post by DeMuypr on Jun 28, 2011 14:49:26 GMT
Well, I've just read this comics, and I have an opinion. S13 isn't just a robot... Remember his Central Processor Unit, it has something attached to (chapter 12). I don't know authors' ideas, but I think, that it's a container for something like a demon, and the creature inside it is controling the body, while the CPU is just a transmitter. That also helped a forest shadow to control Robot on the bridge. And now, when he have fully functional body, he have started his own game. Well, we'll see, is it true or not.
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Post by neolithicman on Jun 28, 2011 19:26:55 GMT
Next thing you know, robots will be asking for days off for Robonika.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 28, 2011 22:44:04 GMT
"I'm sorry, my religious beliefs don't permit me to use synthetic motor oil."
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Post by bodevanlot on Jun 29, 2011 1:40:20 GMT
We're witnessing the birth of Robot Katolicism. Hahaha. Nice. I like the questions this new development raises. Technology, humanity and religion and their relationships to eachother are heavy stuff.
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Post by crater on Jun 29, 2011 3:06:38 GMT
this is perhaps my most favorite plot twist ever
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