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Post by joephlommin on May 24, 2011 17:39:45 GMT
Ethanblack: I agree with you, actually. I just don't think Kat's quite to that point, yet. It bothers me that shes not. I mean shes met a minotaur, a body snatching fox, Y's, Jack, A god, And a floating teapot. Its just cmon believe already.
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Post by jayne on May 24, 2011 18:13:31 GMT
Ethanblack: I agree with you, actually. I just don't think Kat's quite to that point, yet. It bothers me that shes not. I mean shes met a minotaur, a body snatching fox, Y's, Jack, A god, And a floating teapot. Its just cmon believe already. Its not that she doesn't believe all this happens... its all around her... freaky stuff happens! Basil is just Basil, no problems there. Coyote's a god? That's cool. First crush turned into a bird and flew away? Sad, but still amazing. BUT robots are her area of expertise!! She loves double physics because she loves to know how things work with other things. She doesn't want to believe freaky stuff would cause the robots to work because she doesn't believe she is capable of understanding it if that is true. If Kat and Annie had *met* a golem, they'd probably react the same as when they met a minotaur. In this case, Kat is told the robots might be golems so she's resistant to the idea. Give her a while... once she thinks it through, she'll be better.
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Post by thechron on May 24, 2011 18:18:48 GMT
And there is the fact that Kat has not only met mythological beings, but has witnessed displays of etherical power.
What I would add to this discussion is that Kat's dismay may not be completely unfounded. While there may be a manner of scholarship involved in learning and practicing ethereal craftsmanship, to be one of the first, if not the first person to create a traditional robot, you would have to master a great variety of disciplines and develop a profound understanding of the world's most fundamental forces in a matter that is completely intellectual rather than intuitive.
While the scholarship of ethereal craftsmanship and scientific construction may not be inherently different in that they are basically the understanding and application of the fundamental forces that form the fabric of existence, it seems to me that the degree of studious effort it takes to understand and apply the laws and principles upon which they operate in a scientific format would most likely be far greater than that required to understand and apply etheric principles of manipulation.
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Post by smjjames on May 24, 2011 19:05:31 GMT
Has anyone suggested that Jones might be a Golem? It fits, apart from the way she looks. And the talking - but then the original court robots could talk too. (This seems such an obvious suggestion now, I'm sure someone must have suggested it in the Jones thread at some point) It was a pretty popular suggestion, back in the day. However, it seems unlikely that she is. Annie seems pretty familiar with the concept of a golem, but said she doesn't fully understand Jones despite Ysengrin trying to tell her what Jones is. It could be that Ysengrim doesn't really know the mythology (if any) that is behind what Jones is. Renard also knows something about Jones, but isn't telling.
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Post by atteSmythe on May 24, 2011 19:52:22 GMT
It bothers me that shes not. I mean shes met a minotaur, a body snatching fox, Y's, Jack, A god, And a floating teapot. Its just cmon believe already. Its not that she doesn't believe all this happens... its all around her... freaky stuff happens! Basil is just Basil, no problems there. Coyote's a god? That's cool. First crush turned into a bird and flew away? Sad, but still amazing. BUT robots are her area of expertise!! She loves double physics because she loves to know how things work with other things. She doesn't want to believe freaky stuff would cause the robots to work because she doesn't believe she is capable of understanding it if that is true. If Kat and Annie had *met* a golem, they'd probably react the same as when they met a minotaur. In this case, Kat is told the robots might be golems so she's resistant to the idea. Give her a while... once she thinks it through, she'll be better. Something like that, yeah. Kat's had two years of dealing with all of Annie's mystical adventures. This was supposed to be her mechanical counterpoint to all that...and it's not. IMO, Kat's got the chops to figure it out. And I think she has some (etheric?) talent of her own, as shown in the flashes of inspiration we've seen. I think she believes in this stuff, but really, so far it's all been flashy-showy-fairy tale stuff. Robots are different. She's built robots, and repaired late-generation court robots. Of course, that makes her ideally suited to figure out how the original ones worked. Despite everything they've run into so far, this is different. It's like she knows that when she was young and lost a tooth, and put it under her pillow, her parents would take it during the night and leave a coin. And then they looked one night, and found out that no, it really is the tooth fairy. Knowing that the fantastical is real is one thing. Finding out that it's responsible for something that you thought you already had a solid understanding of is something else.
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Post by hurston on May 24, 2011 21:02:46 GMT
Is it just me or is that a tiny ankh (symbol of life) in panel 4. Most likely Tom did not intend it to be though... even if it is particularly relevant to the subject at hand!
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Post by joephlommin on May 24, 2011 22:07:21 GMT
Is it just me or is that a tiny ankh (symbol of life) in panel 4. Most likely Tom did not intend it to be though... even if it is particularly relevant to the subject at hand! Huh thats an interesting find. And I do think its actually meant to be there.
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Post by smjjames on May 24, 2011 22:59:40 GMT
Is it just me or is that a tiny ankh (symbol of life) in panel 4. Most likely Tom did not intend it to be though... even if it is particularly relevant to the subject at hand! Huh thats an interesting find. And I do think its actually meant to be there. Its one of those twist knobs, you can see it on the previous page, it just got drawn a bit funny because of the angle I guess.
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Post by warrl on May 25, 2011 0:55:58 GMT
Ethanblack: I agree with you, actually. I just don't think Kat's quite to that point, yet. It bothers me that shes not. I mean shes met a minotaur, a body snatching fox, Y's, Jack, A god, And a floating teapot. Its just cmon believe already. The teapot was said to be cursed. No comment on whether it floated. We don't actually know anything about it except that K&A refer to it as cursed; it could, for all we know, have been one of those odd situations where everyone turns into a klutz simultaneously to hilarious results centered around, and often destroying, some completely-innocent object. When did Kat meet Ysengrin? She hasn't been across the bridge, and was excluded the one time in the comic that he came to the Court. I also don't recall her meeting a god. (On the other hand she has met Ketrak and Muut. She screamed at the former and punched the latter in the stomach, somehow managing to make that poker face look puzzled - a real achievement.)
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Post by Chemical Rascal on May 25, 2011 1:10:43 GMT
Her whole world brought down around her, Kat flips out and flees to isolation in the abandoned sections of the city. Becoming a hermit, she studies the heart, determining it's exact inner workings and how best to exploit them.
Three decades later, a series of loud step-like sounds are heard underneath the Court...
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on May 27, 2011 0:28:31 GMT
Consider the following.
We don't actually know what the creation of a golem involves specifically. I doubt you can just shape some puddy into the roughish shape of a person, say some gibberish, and watch it come to life. It might actually be a fairly intricate process that would resemble the creation of a robot or a living being. The magical force that animates a golem probably has to get around to the various parts.. and then translate into physical motion somehow. Maybe there is an inner mechanism that does that, even if it's etheric in nature?
Essentially the same thing just.. working in a different medium.. or something.
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