mariposa
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Hi, I'm Elise!
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Post by mariposa on Apr 30, 2011 5:00:35 GMT
aww, these two are so cute. I wish my friends and I had rooftops to hang out on
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Post by legion on Apr 30, 2011 9:13:33 GMT
I wish my friends and I had rooftops to hang out on I wish my rooftops and I had friends to hang out with.
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Post by theweatherman on Apr 30, 2011 20:24:31 GMT
I wish I had a roof top, and friends.
And maybe some pie..
Actually forget roof tops and friends!
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Post by Per on May 1, 2011 14:41:17 GMT
Maybe we should just draw up a list of people in the comic that haven't tried to kill Annie. Yeah, but now that I've noticed it it's more distracting than regular Kat would have been. I found it distracting because it's very reminiscent of the technique used to draw Wonderella.
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Post by Dr. Zebra on May 1, 2011 15:37:09 GMT
Et tu, Kat?
Annie seems so much more relaxed since her forest stay. Joking around, talking about girly stuff, all the light, flowy styles. Perhaps everything she learned in the forest made her a bit more comfortable, just knowing more about her history and family and how the forest people live. I wonder what the tree elves eat. For some reason I can't imagine them being much of meat eaters, but with that scar on Khepi's leg you never know. Can't wait for more forest reminiscing!
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Post by zylonbane on May 1, 2011 16:11:20 GMT
Maybe we should just draw up a list of people in the comic that haven't tried to kill Annie. Yeah, but now that I've noticed it it's more distracting than regular Kat would have been. I found it distracting because it's very reminiscent of the technique used to draw Wonderella. Eglamore can jump hella high. Kat, however, can not.
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Post by smjjames on May 1, 2011 16:24:34 GMT
Et tu, Kat? Annie seems so much more relaxed since her forest stay. Joking around, talking about girly stuff, all the light, flowy styles. Perhaps everything she learned in the forest made her a bit more comfortable, just knowing more about her history and family and how the forest people live. I wonder what the tree elves eat. For some reason I can't imagine them being much of meat eaters, but with that scar on Khepi's leg you never know. Can't wait for more forest reminiscing! Considering the boots, the bag, and possibly the armbands that the elves wore look like they are made out of leather, I would say that meat would be a part of their diet for sure. On that note, the armbands that Annie wore at the start of the previous chapter are frayed, which leather doesn't.
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Post by warrl on May 1, 2011 17:38:35 GMT
If nothing else about Annie were remarkable, she would still be remarkable for her ability to forgive and befriend beings that once tried to kill her. (Jeanne's redemption is still in process of course...) At this point I don't believe Jeanne has tried to kill Annie. Although she (Jeanne) tried to create that impression. Encounter 1: Anne was asleep; Jeanne walked up, gave her time to wake up, and poked at her face a bit. If Jeanne had intended to kill, Annie would be dead. Encounter 2: Parley, who has a lot more experience in fencing than Annie (and with a longer sword - Parley's big two-handed sword is primarily a chopping weapon, Annie's is primarily a slicing and stabbing weapon, Jeanne's is sort of between the two), thinks Jeanne so totally outclasses her that she should have been able to kill both Parley and Annie easily. The whole encounter makes more sense if you think of it as Jeanne attempting to teach Parley a few things about choosing targets and being honest with herself. (I'm undecided about whether Reynardine tried to kill Annie or not. THAT mess makes equal sense as Rey failing to hit his primary target and finding an alternate, or as Rey trying to make people think he had failed and died while actually hitting his primary target.)
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Post by TBeholder on May 1, 2011 21:29:03 GMT
I hope this page doesn't reflect some sort of twisted foreshadowing. Just about everywhere else it would count as "tempting fate". Gunnerkrigg? Unpredictable twists/untwists were done so much it worked as sort of degaussing. That's what i like in it. For some reason I can't imagine them being much of meat eaters, but with that scar on Khepi's leg you never know. Can't wait for more forest reminiscing! Considering the boots, the bag, and possibly the armbands that the elves wore look like they are made out of leather, I would say that meat would be a part of their diet for sure. It's definitely not a disneyforest. Heh. At this point I don't believe Jeanne has tried to kill Annie. Although she (Jeanne) tried to create that impression. [...] (I'm undecided about whether Reynardine tried to kill Annie or not. THAT mess makes equal sense ...and as both we and Annie know, Ol' Grin made a big show as a ruse, being aware she's the object of Coyote's curiosity and the people between them are far from powerless. That is all three at worst did try to kill her with purpose other than to have her dead and gone - and at best didn't try to kill her at all. Uh, that's the whole joke, you know?
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notacat
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That's not me, that's my late cat Mimi: I'm not nearly so cute
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Post by notacat on May 1, 2011 21:39:04 GMT
I rather thought the "scar" on Khepi's leg looked more like folded tree bark than anything else.
I have no real idea what this might mean, though...
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Post by smjjames on May 1, 2011 22:25:22 GMT
warrl: There is uncertianity about whether Jeanne was actually fully in control of her actions, so that could have been at play in the second encounter. In any case, both Ysengrin and Renard are perfectly capable of pulling off a ruse to make it look like he (both hes) tried to kill Annie. It's just that Ysengrins ruse was uncovered, unless he intended for certain people to notice it. Plans within plans within plans you know.
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Post by deviantlightning on May 2, 2011 6:20:35 GMT
If nothing else about Annie were remarkable, she would still be remarkable for her ability to forgive and befriend beings that once tried to kill her. (Jeanne's redemption is still in process of course...) At this point I don't believe Jeanne has tried to kill Annie. Although she (Jeanne) tried to create that impression. Encounter 1: Anne was asleep; Jeanne walked up, gave her time to wake up, and poked at her face a bit. If Jeanne had intended to kill, Annie would be dead. Encounter 2: Parley, who has a lot more experience in fencing than Annie (and with a longer sword - Parley's big two-handed sword is primarily a chopping weapon, Annie's is primarily a slicing and stabbing weapon, Jeanne's is sort of between the two), thinks Jeanne so totally outclasses her that she should have been able to kill both Parley and Annie easily. The whole encounter makes more sense if you think of it as Jeanne attempting to teach Parley a few things about choosing targets and being honest with herself. (I'm undecided about whether Reynardine tried to kill Annie or not. THAT mess makes equal sense as Rey failing to hit his primary target and finding an alternate, or as Rey trying to make people think he had failed and died while actually hitting his primary target.) Encounter 1: Jeanne has limited awareness or binding limitations. Strictly speaking, she may not be able to attack Antimony if she's unconscious or on the wrong side of the ravine. Encounter 2: Parley is unarmed (or thinks it). And it takes a colossal arrogance to dismiss the threat somebody poses you because they are armed with an "inferior" weapon, which the rapier isn't. And whether Parley has the advantage or not is completely irrelevant to whether or not Jeanne wants to kill them. Also, what Jeanne is doing to Parley is called, "bullying." My first reaction to that isn't, "Hmmm . . . maybe she's trying to be my therapist." warrl: There is uncertianity about whether Jeanne was actually fully in control of her actions, so that could have been at play in the second encounter. In any case, both Ysengrin and Renard are perfectly capable of pulling off a ruse to make it look like he (both hes) tried to kill Annie. It's just that Ysengrins ruse was uncovered, unless he intended for certain people to notice it. Plans within plans within plans you know. Uh-huh. Which is why Jeanne was frothing with spite. Strictly speaking, irrational people aren't fully in control of themselves; but a discussion about free will is a mug's game. We'll just say that the thing down there wanted them dead. Control is kinda irrelevant. Willing, if not able. Also, it's simpler to assume that Ysengrin wanted Antimony dead at the time. He's a violent man, you know. Part of being a man of violence. A general, if you would. And not particularly one that shows much forethought. Likewise, no, Reynardine didn't strictly want Annie dead. Just possessed, since he had no better options available to him and was desperate and being chased by a big man with a sword whose official title is "Dragonslayer." So yes, the perfect time to be hatching elaborate and improbable plans. Geebus, you tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists are incorrigible.
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Post by deviantlightning on May 2, 2011 6:29:12 GMT
Also: Antimony, you silly girl.
You just have a habit of putting yourself in harm's way. You know. Like, being around very dangerous, desperate and powerful people.
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Post by Max on May 2, 2011 6:59:23 GMT
I really do appreciate this look into Kat's mind: she really does worry for Annie's safety, and doesn't find jokes about it that funny.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 2, 2011 7:25:38 GMT
Re: Jeanne wanting to kill Antimony
It's old spec but there may be something about Antimony that causes Jeanne to act differently. Where Jeanne should be killing like she's supposed to, perhaps Antimony's medium-ability is making Jeanne interact instead, albeit viciously. It would explain why/how Jeanne crossed to the far side of the Annan.
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Post by deviantlightning on May 2, 2011 7:30:56 GMT
Re: Jeanne wanting to kill Antimony It's old spec but there may be something about Antimony that causes Jeanne to act differently. Where Jeanne should be killing like she's supposed to, perhaps Antimony's medium-ability is making Jeanne interact instead, albeit viciously. It would explain why/how Jeanne crossed to the far side of the Annan. Ah, I missed that. She did cross didn't she? Still, I don't think Annie is particularly exceptional. And I don't think it changes any limitations Jeanne might have. And I don't view her as being a particularly vigilant guardian if you're not actively trying to force your way into the Court. The way I see it, she's basically an ill-bred pitbull on a chain that you throw out in your front yard to discourage intruders. Or as it turns out, a vengeful woman whose lover you've murdered and bound in place with black sorceries. Perhaps you take pity on this abused pitbull by petting it and trying to soothe its savage temper. It's not the wisest course of action I could think of. And I'm a little astonished that Antimony cares enough to try.
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Post by jasmijn on May 2, 2011 8:40:30 GMT
I wish my friends and I had rooftops to hang out on I wish my rooftops and I had friends to hang out with. I wish my friends and rooftops had hangs to out with. ... wait.
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Post by Mezzaphor on May 2, 2011 23:21:53 GMT
Also, it's simpler to assume that Ysengrin wanted Antimony dead at the time. He's a violent man, you know. Part of being a man of violence. A general, if you would. And not particularly one that shows much forethought. Ysengrin did show foresight, specifically in burying the dead TicToc for the specific purpose of "discovering" it some months later so he could blame it on the Court. Not to say that he wasn't every bit as angry and trying-to-kill-Annie as he seemed at the time. It's hard to keep a level head when some brat makes you look like a fool in the middle of the meeting, and then goes and spanks your boss (who you love very much) in front of everyone.
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Post by smjjames on May 3, 2011 1:08:07 GMT
Also, it's simpler to assume that Ysengrin wanted Antimony dead at the time. He's a violent man, you know. Part of being a man of violence. A general, if you would. And not particularly one that shows much forethought. Ysengrin did show foresight, specifically in burying the dead TicToc for the specific purpose of "discovering" it some months later so he could blame it on the Court. Not to say that he wasn't every bit as angry and trying-to-kill-Annie as he seemed at the time. It's hard to keep a level head when some brat makes you look like a fool in the middle of the meeting, and then goes and spanks your boss (who you love very much) in front of everyone. Coyotes antics may have been a test at annie on his part, to see what her reaction would be, and her reaction was to spank a powerful god where others might not dare to do such a thing. He took it in stride though.
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Post by deviantlightning on May 7, 2011 0:19:05 GMT
Also, it's simpler to assume that Ysengrin wanted Antimony dead at the time. He's a violent man, you know. Part of being a man of violence. A general, if you would. And not particularly one that shows much forethought. Ysengrin did show foresight, specifically in burying the dead TicToc for the specific purpose of "discovering" it some months later so he could blame it on the Court. Not to say that he wasn't every bit as angry and trying-to-kill-Annie as he seemed at the time. It's hard to keep a level head when some brat makes you look like a fool in the middle of the meeting, and then goes and spanks your boss (who you love very much) in front of everyone. That's not foresight. That's a reckless act of war. He's clumsily accusing the Court of trying to seed a bit of technology inside the Forest. And in revenge, he's trying to seed the Forest in the Court. As it turns out, he's proven completely wrong, as the Court is able to produce evidence that the whole incident with the mechanical bird was an accident.
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Post by deviantlightning on May 7, 2011 0:25:03 GMT
Ysengrin did show foresight, specifically in burying the dead TicToc for the specific purpose of "discovering" it some months later so he could blame it on the Court. Not to say that he wasn't every bit as angry and trying-to-kill-Annie as he seemed at the time. It's hard to keep a level head when some brat makes you look like a fool in the middle of the meeting, and then goes and spanks your boss (who you love very much) in front of everyone. Coyotes antics may have been a test at annie on his part, to see what her reaction would be, and her reaction was to spank a powerful god where others might not dare to do such a thing. He took it in stride though. Writer's mistake: A strategic genius isn't the guy who is able to see the future. But the guy who is good at improvisation or making plans which are flexible enough that they don't depend on incredibly specific events. Remember, he didn't even know Antimony existed up until he visited the Court. And I can hear your objection now: "But Coyote is a god, so he might be able to see the future or is omniscient." To which I say, Coyote is known to be impulsive, rash and prone to ignoring piddly little details which bore him. He made mistakes with "glass-eyed' men and certainly doesn't care if his gifts come with horribly crippling side effects. He just doesn't care or know enough to plan that far ahead. It doesn't fit his MO to be a plot-warping Planner Sue like Light Yagami. Insofar as Coyote is good at strategy, it's only when he sees an opportunity to play a good bit of mischief or a prank where he can come out ahead. He doesn't have any specific goals in mind most of the time, he just throws things out in the hopes that they'll take. For example, gifting a fragment of himself to Antimony in the hopes that she'll bring it into the Court and then threatening her not to tell anybody about it. There's nothing specific he gains by this, except that it may come in useful one day. Another is telling her that he's willing to restore Reynardine's body, which is a loyalty test to Rey. Even better it may make Annie out to be a dishonest friend if she keeps it a secret for too long. He may be able to take advantage of the strained relationship to regain what he views to be a protégé. Coyote is a well-poisoner, I guess you would say.
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Post by Mezzaphor on May 7, 2011 3:13:37 GMT
Ysengrin did show foresight, specifically in burying the dead TicToc for the specific purpose of "discovering" it some months later so he could blame it on the Court. Not to say that he wasn't every bit as angry and trying-to-kill-Annie as he seemed at the time. It's hard to keep a level head when some brat makes you look like a fool in the middle of the meeting, and then goes and spanks your boss (who you love very much) in front of everyone. That's not foresight. That's a reckless act of war. He's clumsily accusing the Court of trying to seed a bit of technology inside the Forest. And in revenge, he's trying to seed the Forest in the Court. As it turns out, he's proven completely wrong, as the Court is able to produce evidence that the whole incident with the mechanical bird was an accident. It's a reckless act of war that nevertheless took several months to come to fruition. Yes, the whole thing could have been planned better, but it was still a plan. Ysengrin: not as dumb as he looks, but not as smart as he thinks he is. Coyotes antics may have been a test at annie on his part, to see what her reaction would be, and her reaction was to spank a powerful god where others might not dare to do such a thing. He took it in stride though. Remember, he didn't even know Antimony existed up until he visited the Court. Who's to say that he didn't come up with that test during the meeting? A better argument is that, immediately prior to sticking his nose up her skirt, Coyote voiced a suspicion that Rey was staying in the Court solely for Annie's sake — the implication is that his pervy behavior was meant to draw a reaction from Rey.
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Post by deviantlightning on May 7, 2011 3:28:32 GMT
First, there's no evidence that Ysengrin buried anything. Antimony downed the bird on the Forest side of things. That is all that can be said. More likely, Ysengrin leaped to conclusions when he found evidence of the Court's influence.
Secondly, it's not evident that he's testing Reynardine either and its not necessarily consistent with what is known. He doesn't need to goad a reaction out of Reynardine since he already knows about Rey's infatuation with Surma. Moreover, Rey has always been partial to humans. It's not a great leap to conclude what Rey thinks about Surma's daughter. Any idiot can read the writing on the wall.
The simpler answer is just that Coyote doesn't care about personal space. Coyote has been presumptuous about Surma, who I more than suspect of putting on an act for his benefit. This is strongly suggested with the flashback with Rey/Surma and Antimony's reaction to his eye-juggling. It implies that he is being outrageously flattered by Surma. And secondly, that he doesn't really care if you're being made uncomfortable by his self-absorbed showboating. Coyote being pervy is probably exactly what it looks like.
Are you just making stuff up as you go along?
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Post by warrl on May 7, 2011 3:37:08 GMT
First, there's no evidence that Ysengrin buried anything. Antimony downed the bird on the Forest side of things. That is all that can be said. However, what WAS said, by an eyewitness, was " He went right to it an' buried dat sucka!"
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Post by deviantlightning on May 7, 2011 3:38:47 GMT
First, there's no evidence that Ysengrin buried anything. Antimony downed the bird on the Forest side of things. That is all that can be said. However, what WAS said, by an eyewitness, was " He went right to it an' buried dat sucka!" *shrugs* Fine, then I redact my point. I still don't rate Ysengrin as a thoughtful person. As my original point is that he's a person who will find excuses to kill things.
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Post by jayne on May 7, 2011 3:44:16 GMT
First, there's no evidence that Ysengrin buried anything. Antimony downed the bird on the Forest side of things. That is all that can be said. However, what WAS said, by an eyewitness, was " He went right to it an' buried dat sucka!" If he was going to be "outraged at this invasive technology", he had to first plant the bird so it could become invasive and damage the cliff wall. How did he know it would do that... the tic toc birds are a mystery to the court, and they were there before the court existed... and somehow Ysengrin knows something about them.
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Post by jayne on May 7, 2011 3:45:55 GMT
*shrugs* Fine, then I redact my point. I still don't rate Ysengrin as a thoughtful person. As my original point is that he's a person who will find excuses to kill things. I don't think he minds killing things but I don't think he'd go out of his way to just KILL for the sake of killing. I think he would be against the idea of wasting food, which is the purpose of killing. He killed the fairies right after burying the bird, and "I guess he was hungry"... he ate them.
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Post by deviantlightning on May 7, 2011 4:55:06 GMT
*shrugs* Fine, then I redact my point. I still don't rate Ysengrin as a thoughtful person. As my original point is that he's a person who will find excuses to kill things. I don't think he minds killing things but I don't think he'd go out of his way to just KILL for the sake of killing. I think he would be against the idea of wasting food, which is the purpose of killing. He killed the fairies right after burying the bird, and "I guess he was hungry"... he ate them. I was using a bit of hyperbole.
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Post by jayne on May 7, 2011 4:56:55 GMT
I don't think he minds killing things but I don't think he'd go out of his way to just KILL for the sake of killing. I think he would be against the idea of wasting food, which is the purpose of killing. He killed the fairies right after burying the bird, and "I guess he was hungry"... he ate them. I was using a bit of hyperbole. Okay.
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