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Post by fish on Apr 22, 2011 17:26:42 GMT
It will be about flower arrangements and geometry lessons, I am absolutely sure!
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Post by jayne on Apr 22, 2011 18:05:28 GMT
I can't make a cube shape work from what we can see of that outer hexagon. That upper left side is distorted. This one is a rectangle! Asymmetry is very popular in floral design. Maybe Tom thought this was more aesthetically pleasing. Besides, if he'd done a proper hexagon with a proper cube, I'd geek out and say, "Its a D20 with an internal D6!!! Quick, Annie, roll for initiative!"
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Post by unctuous on Apr 22, 2011 18:20:45 GMT
The hatch lines on the cube and flowers are really well-executed, I just kept admiring it.
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Post by bongo on Apr 22, 2011 18:59:13 GMT
Stuff... you people wouldn't believe? Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. C[ube]-Beams glittering in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate.
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Post by smjjames on Apr 22, 2011 20:17:20 GMT
I dont think it's an improper hexagon, It looks like a cutaway cube to me? I can't make a cube shape work from what we can see of that outer hexagon. That upper left side is distorted. You guys are completely missing another image in there, take a look at the lines, the offcenter circle, the rough circle/hexagon. It looks like an eye. That wasn't my first thought though, I thought that maybe the cube and geometry represents technology and the flowers represent nature. Alternatively, the hexagon along with the cube could be a hypercube or tesseract. As for making a cube shape work out of the drawing Imaginaryfriend did, take the upper left, upper right corner, the bottom corner and draw a straight line that intersects just above the inner cube. And there, I think we have a five dimensional hypercube. Heres an image of a hypercube (off of Google). If you twist it around a bit, you should be able to see how it can fit that hexagon and look asymmetrical. Not sure if the inner cube matches though.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 22, 2011 21:50:26 GMT
Hmmm... Can that match up if three connecting sides (the left and bottom two sides) are equal in length? I can't mentally match them without fudging another angle behind the rose and it doesn't appear there's a connection from the top of the figure. And I freely admit I don't know if that would work either, I'm just guessing.
Is there a theoretical geometrician in the house?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Apr 23, 2011 2:28:41 GMT
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. C[ube]-Beams glittering in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. Tannhauser Gate? I love that book!
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Post by legion on Apr 23, 2011 6:44:05 GMT
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. C[ube]-Beams glittering in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
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Post by bongo on Apr 23, 2011 8:45:05 GMT
C[ube]-Beams glittering in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
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Post by Per on Apr 23, 2011 13:43:21 GMT
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Post by Refugee on Apr 23, 2011 15:59:41 GMT
There is something about this that reminds me of traditional images of the Sacred Heart. It's not an exact correspondence, certainly; just a similar feel.
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Post by crater on Apr 23, 2011 18:07:17 GMT
I have suffered through my first title page day. You have my sympathies. I remember when I first finished reading through the archive... the next day CityFaceI started... augh xD gosh golly! that must have been awful! Cityface 1 didn't even make sense to me until I read cityface 2. however; bring it on, Cityface 3.
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Post by smjjames on Apr 23, 2011 18:11:41 GMT
Hmmm... Can that match up if three connecting sides (the left and bottom two sides) are equal in length? I can't mentally match them without fudging another angle behind the rose and it doesn't appear there's a connection from the top of the figure. And I freely admit I don't know if that would work either, I'm just guessing. Is there a theoretical geometrician in the house? Well, if the perspective is right, it may simply appear to not have equal sides, but even then, I'm not totally sure about the symmetry there. Of course though, it might not even suppoused to be a hypercube.
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Post by crater on Apr 23, 2011 18:18:34 GMT
Hmmm... Can that match up if three connecting sides (the left and bottom two sides) are equal in length? I can't mentally match them without fudging another angle behind the rose and it doesn't appear there's a connection from the top of the figure. And I freely admit I don't know if that would work either, I'm just guessing. Is there a theoretical geometrician in the house? Well, if the perspective is right, it may simply appear to not have equal sides, but even then, I'm not totally sure about the symmetry there. Of course though, it might not even suppoused to be a hypercube. Maybe it's a time cube. Gunnerkrigg has 4 corner simultaneous 4 day timecube. In only 24 hour rotation. 4 corner days, cubes 4 quad Gunnerkrigg. No 1 Day God.
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Post by theweatherman on Apr 23, 2011 20:03:43 GMT
I have a strange feeling that none of the above discussion will actually be important to the following chapter...
Just a guess!
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Post by smjjames on Apr 24, 2011 2:46:59 GMT
In a bit of speculation, maybe this chapter has to do with the balance or equilibrium of something? What with the title.
Maybe some form of symbiosis? The title suggests trading of something or balancing between opposite forces.
As for the multiple dimensions other than the three of space and one of time, the comic hasn't really mentioned much about other dimensions or higher dimensional space. Really, the only time higher dimensions have actually been mentioned directly is in 869 and even that could be a random fact Tom put in there.
However, there certainly seem to be different planes of existence, the place of the dead (more than one?), the etheric plane, and maybe the Zimmyverse? which could be said to be extradimensional planes.
A while ago, I think someone said or Tom himself said that Tom was excited about the upcoming chapter, which is this one that has begun, so maybe it's a foray into some new stuff.
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Post by alik on Apr 24, 2011 3:00:00 GMT
Pendant
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Post by Mezzaphor on Apr 24, 2011 3:02:09 GMT
As for the multiple dimensions other than the three of space and one of time, the comic hasn't really mentioned much about other dimensions or higher dimensional space. Really, the only time higher dimensions have actually been mentioned directly is in 869 and even that could be a random fact Tom put in there. It hasn't been mentioned in-comic yet, but Ogee and Torus (the fairies from City Face 2) share the same place and time along a non-linear time scale.
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Post by paxjax123 on Apr 24, 2011 5:22:56 GMT
I have a strange feeling that none of the above discussion will actually be important to the following chapter... Just a guess! Oh, don't be silly. This entire chapter is going to revolve around the study of geometry.
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Post by legion on Apr 24, 2011 5:49:27 GMT
You sir, won this thread.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 24, 2011 13:34:59 GMT
I have a strange feeling that none of the above discussion will actually be important to the following chapter... Just a guess! I'm not sure what difference it makes to the interpretation of the chapter frontpage if it is a squared (or cubed) cube or just a cube inside an irregular hexagon... but I am open to the idea that it might make a difference I haven't thought of. Still not sure we've got the florigraphy down; that stuff does look like it's hinting at something. Maybe a new romantic development for one of our main characters? The problem with those flower-language things is that there isn't one set interpretation. Hmmm... Can that match up if three connecting sides (the left and bottom two sides) are equal in length? I can't mentally match them without fudging another angle behind the rose and it doesn't appear there's a connection from the top of the figure. And I freely admit I don't know if that would work either, I'm just guessing. Is there a theoretical geometrician in the house? Well, if the perspective is right, it may simply appear to not have equal sides, but even then, I'm not totally sure about the symmetry there. Of course though, it might not even suppoused to be a hypercube. I'm pretty sure that there are various ways this thing could be constructed/justified as a hypercube but I think I remember that every line segment has to have a match of equal length that connects back to the structure with identical angles. Break that rule and you lose its cube-itude. Depending on point of view we might not be able to see the mate of that upper-left side... or possibly it's lost in the front of the figure which is transparent... but that, or adding an angle in the upper left seems like a fudge. But again, this isn't really my area of expertise and I would be happy if a math-dude checked in and demonstrated how I/we am completely wrong. So we need a geometry teacher and a florist.
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Post by smjjames on Apr 24, 2011 19:55:54 GMT
Still not sure we've got the florigraphy down; that stuff does look like it's hinting at something. Maybe a new romantic development for one of our main characters? The problem with those flower-language things is that there isn't one set interpretation. . Various flowers and plants also have symbolism in heraldry, which itself has tons of symbolism as a whole, with variants in different countries. Since it really doesn't look like the flowers on the chapter page are intended to be heraldic symbols, we can safely rule that out. Anyways, besides the rose, the flowers that I can recognize are the daffodil (which is pretty distinctive, but there are flowers that could look similar), some kind of lily, a chrysanthenum or similar looking flower, the hexagonal flower shape I recognize from somehwere, squash or cucumber maybe?, the bottom corner could just be generic leaves. Still, I definetly recognize the hexagonal flower, but can't place a name on it. Edit: Also complicating that wikipedia list is the fact that some of them are common names for several different species.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 24, 2011 21:54:50 GMT
Still, I definetly recognize the hexagonal flower, but can't place a name on it. I think that could be a petunia in the lower right corner but I'm not sure. It's not on the wiki list but other web pages say it stands for "your presence soothes me" or a happy relationship, or when reversed "you irritate me." Also I think the one that looks like a chrysanthemum in the upper right might actually be a thistle, and the bottom point is one of those odd-looking orchids. Thistles supposedly mean nobility, but they are also associated with Scotland (where Kat recently was). Below it is a daffodil, which can mean chivalry so I would guess that side is nobility and chivalry. Also because it's on the opposite side I'd guess the lily-thing in the upper right means passion. That should mean the petunia means a happy relationship. The orchid means refined beauty but it is at the bottom of the figure and therefore might be reversed. The important thing does seem to be that the rose with thorns is sliding away from the lily[?] and toward the thistle. That doesn't bode well for the success of the whatever is going to happen. The distortion of the nested cube I would read as the disruption to an ordered mind or lifestyle. That's why I guessed that it was about someone choosing duty over romance and the disruption of an ordered mind or way of life. This actually reminds me of interpreting tarot cards, anyone who's good at that want to give this puzzle a try?
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Post by smjjames on Apr 24, 2011 22:06:44 GMT
No, its the whole pattern on that hexagonal shaped flower that makes it familiar somehow, and no it doesn't look like a petunia.
The chrysanthenum-ish flower doesn't look like a thistle because a thistle is more compact shaped, also there are other flowers that look similar to that 'chrysanthenum'. And you mean upper left, the one on the upper right is a lily of some kind.
As for the bottom point being an orchid, that's possible.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 24, 2011 22:38:59 GMT
No, its the whole pattern on that hexagonal shaped flower that makes it familiar somehow, and no it doesn't look like a petunia. Petunia was the closest I found. I will keep looking. It does look super-familiar doesn't it? (edit) Would you buy a blue star or blue and purple morning glory? Most of the pics on the wiki entry don't look like it but that one is pretty darn close.(/edit) The chrysanthenum-ish flower doesn't look like a thistle because a thistle is more compact shaped, also there are other flowers that look similar to that 'chrysanthenum'. And you mean upper left, the one on the upper right is a lily of some kind. Sorry for the confusion, that's what I get for working from memory. But it does look like that upper-left point blossom has longer spiky leaves around the bottom and some sort of a substructure around where the stem would be. I don't know of any chrysanthemum like that but there are some thistles with big blossoms, like this one.
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Post by drzhivago138 on Apr 25, 2011 2:50:45 GMT
Wow. Just...wow. From a single title page, we [meaning everyone but me] launch into an in-depth discussion regarding n-dimensional space, horticulture, and how they relate to the ongoing story of GC as a whole. Yes, this is why I read.
Also: Dagnabbit, I was going to finish that quoteline--see, this is what happens when you go off to work!
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Post by smjjames on Apr 25, 2011 4:15:01 GMT
imaginaryfriend: I dunno, could be. By familiar, I mean it looks like I've seen it in a gardening book I have at mom's house or some garden flower.
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Post by crmsnfrn on Apr 25, 2011 5:58:09 GMT
I have suffered through my first title page day. De-lurking to say I know how you feel. I finished reading through the archives as Spring Heeled Part 1 ended.
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Post by hurston on Apr 25, 2011 6:49:57 GMT
The leaves at the bottom look like ivy to me
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 25, 2011 13:16:00 GMT
But it's got stamens... the thingers sticking up in the center.
I think it's one of those orchids with the big floppy hanging-down blossoms. [Those of you who've checked the orchid wiki and know what the name means, please remember to keep your jokes work safe and all-ages suitable.]
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