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Post by goldenknots on Apr 1, 2011 9:34:35 GMT
It looks to me as though we're missing some vertical travel from one panel to the next; the moon pool may be at the level of the outside surface, with the dorm rooms downstairs, facing out, away from the pool. The control that Annie messed with probably opens and closes access from the pool to the larger body of water. If the pool is in a room with a floor even with the dorm rooms' floors, the airlock has to be between them (it) and the catwalk above, but if the dorm rooms are down from the pool room, all they need is to be water-tight, and the pool room and the catwalk could be at the same level. I'm looking forward to getting a clearer understanding of the physical layout, because right now it's very confusing to me. Loren
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Post by hal9000 on Apr 1, 2011 9:37:37 GMT
I think that "SHFFF" in panel 5 is an airlock sound. Perhaps the elevator shaft also works as an airlock. Would save some time whenever someone is going up or down I guess... EDIT: also - the room they are currently in can't possibly fit into that box seen in panel 1 on this page, so I'm pretty sure it's underwater. I dunno, if it were pressurized, you'd need to deal with nitrogen/inert gas narcosis, oxygen toxicity and decompression sickness/"the bends". Especially considering these are supposed to be dorms, and classes still take place on the surface, that would be either quite inconvenient or fatal depending on the procedures used and on how stringently they'd be adhered to.
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Post by La Goon on Apr 1, 2011 9:47:24 GMT
Still - we can't deny that the dorms are underwater, as seen in the beginning of this chapter, so I can't see how they could not be pressurized. - unless there is a second airlock between this room and the dorms, but in that case it seems highly impractical, that the students has to pass through this room to get there
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Post by hal9000 on Apr 1, 2011 9:50:53 GMT
Still - we can't deny that the dorms are underwater, as seen in the beginning of this chapter, so I can't see how they could not be pressurized. - unless there is a second airlock between this room and the dorms, but in that case it seems highly impractical, that the students has to pass through this room to get there Assuming the pressure hull of the dorms is sufficiently strong, and they aren't at too deep a depth, they could just be running at atmospheric pressure (which is what I'd assumed until now). That's how a lot of submarines are run, at least.
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Post by La Goon on Apr 1, 2011 9:59:17 GMT
Still - we can't deny that the dorms are underwater, as seen in the beginning of this chapter, so I can't see how they could not be pressurized. - unless there is a second airlock between this room and the dorms, but in that case it seems highly impractical, that the students has to pass through this room to get there Assuming the pressure hull of the dorms is sufficiently strong, and they aren't at too deep a depth, they could just be running at atmospheric pressure (which is what I'd assumed until now). That's how a lot of submarines are run, at least. I was thinking of the room with the moon pool not being flooded, as I'm still pretty sure that one is underwater. As mentioned it can't fit into that little box at the end of the walkway, and also we don't see any going up and down stairs or by elevators between shots in the dorms and in this room.
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Post by hal9000 on Apr 1, 2011 10:07:17 GMT
Assuming the pressure hull of the dorms is sufficiently strong, and they aren't at too deep a depth, they could just be running at atmospheric pressure (which is what I'd assumed until now). That's how a lot of submarines are run, at least. I was thinking of the room with the moon pool not being flooded, as I'm still pretty sure that one is underwater. As mentioned it can't fit into that little box at the end of the walkway, and also we don't see any going up and down stairs or by elevators between shots in the dorms and in this room. Well, I dunno. It could just be a plot hole or a research failure I guess; it is rather specialized knowledge.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Apr 1, 2011 10:38:57 GMT
My first thought was: moon pool = Were-crab? XD
But now that I get what a moon pool is, I can easily imagine Annie playing with that computer wasn't a good idea.
Also, would somebody tell those girls to stop panicking? It's probably attracted to panic like moths to a flame ;D
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Post by legion on Apr 1, 2011 10:47:12 GMT
Suddenly a lot of flashbacks from The Abyss come to mind.
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Post by todd on Apr 1, 2011 10:57:02 GMT
I don't know, the court seems pretty incompetent about its internal and external security. I mean, it's had intruders from the forest, which were only stopped when the court protector (essentially just one guy) came in and stabbed them. Annie's been able to run out onto the bridge more than once, and was again only stopped (or just mildly inconvenienced, as last time) when Eglamore ran out after her. And then there was that time that Jack broke into a highly-sensitive scientific facility, started it, and nearly turned into an eldrich abomination. I think we have to face the fact that the people running the court's security are either dangerously incompetent, malicious, or possibly both at the same time. The "dangerously incompetent" solution seems unlikely in light of the way the individual teachers are portrayed (except maybe the anonymous teacher in the first chapter). The Court has often chosen the easy thing over the right thing whenever dealing with Gillitie Wood, but many (perhaps most) of the children at the school are the offspring of the teachers. I don't think that the teachers would adopt such practices if they knew that their own children could pay the price for them. One other possibility is that the Court doesn't expect the children to do that much poking and prying around - and from what we can tell, most of them don't. Even when they sneak out in Chapter Nineteen to see the power station experiments, most of them seem more interested in being on an excursion with their girl-friend/boy-friend than in the experiment itself. Annie's the only one who consistently investigates the Court's strangeness (and whoever she shares her suspicions with, such as Kat). Maybe the Court just hadn't anticipated (or anticipated enough) the possible consequences of one of its students having grown up with death-gods instead of with other children her age. Or it could be the same case as at Hogwarts: competent behavior from the teachers when the story needs it, incompetent when competent behavior would prevent the protagonist (whether Harry or Annie) from having adventures.
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Post by digikitty on Apr 1, 2011 12:02:47 GMT
and here's the room they must be in. The dimensions are flowing in my perception once more :# www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=851wait...annie's tinkering in that link above..nah probably didnt cause this. not like srz6 could mean anything. in my mind (not saying that I am right) but the probability of Annie randomly hitting exactly the right combo of keys to disable any sort of security feature to keep the crab thing out is extremely unlikely. So my guess is that access to the moon pool is normal for it.
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Post by paxjax123 on Apr 1, 2011 12:28:03 GMT
oh god oh man oh god oh man
One of a few things could happen here maybe Annie and Kat have to fight the crab Annie or Kat runs over to the panel thingy and presses buttons until the crab goes away Eglamore appears! Renard appears! THE CRAB EATS EVERYTHING Or Kat wakes up and it's a dream
Also who else had to go look up "moon pool"? ALSO did Annie get taller?
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Post by zylonbane on Apr 1, 2011 12:37:01 GMT
Considering which strip you actually linked to, I think we should call this one a draw.
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Post by jayne on Apr 1, 2011 12:43:31 GMT
I learned about a moon pool by way of SeaQuest 2032~
I believe they had a dolphin wearing a translating device....
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Post by dismalscientist on Apr 1, 2011 14:29:53 GMT
The control that Annie messed with probably opens and closes access from the pool to the larger body of water. That sounds like the most reasonable interpretation of current events, but I want to point out that (at least AFAICT) there is a nonzero probability that Annie really is behind this. She happened to show up at just the right time, and her phrasing—"What could it be?! I've never heard of such a creature!" seems just a bit ... off to me. And then there's the "April (moon) Pools" comment. So I won't be terribly surprised if it turns out, say, that this is Annie's last, greatest attempt at "playing" danger with Kat (someone mentioned a crab psychopomp a few threads ago, I seem to recall).
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Post by hal9000 on Apr 1, 2011 15:18:24 GMT
The control that Annie messed with probably opens and closes access from the pool to the larger body of water. That sounds like the most reasonable interpretation of current events, but I want to point out that (at least AFAICT) there is a nonzero probability that Annie really is behind this. She happened to show up at just the right time, and her phrasing—"What could it be?! I've never heard of such a creature!" seems just a bit ... off to me. And then there's the "April (moon) Pools" comment. So I won't be terribly surprised if it turns out, say, that this is Annie's last, greatest attempt at "playing" danger with Kat (someone mentioned a crab psychopomp a few threads ago, I seem to recall). You know, that could backfire pretty hard on Annie, if for instance Kat treats this as a serious threat and deploys an army of robots or something and Annie has to stop her from turning a friendly crab-monster into sushi.
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Post by Morpheus on Apr 1, 2011 15:31:14 GMT
Considering which strip you actually linked to, I think we should call this one a draw. Shi*t! Damn, i can't believe i didn't notice that... and i have no idea how that happened
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Post by coyotagoat on Apr 1, 2011 15:44:33 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that this is a very quiet giant crab-beast? So far the only sounds attributed to him/her/it have been "splish" and "shff". Not noises normally associated with fearsome aquatic creatures. Not even any ominous, monstrous clicking noises!
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Post by smjjames on Apr 1, 2011 16:01:57 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that this is a very quiet giant crab-beast? So far the only sounds attributed to him/her/it have been "splish" and "shff". Not noises normally associated with fearsome aquatic creatures. Not even any ominous, monstrous clicking noises! The shff sound was the airlock door moving like a sliding door. I agree though, the crab monster is unusually quiet for something so large. @those saying it's a crab psychopomp: Don't you think it's kind of huge for a crab psychopomp? I mean Ketrak, the insect psychopomp, wasn't much bigger than one of the largest insects in the world. Human psychopomps are more or less human sized (unless they take the form of a dog or some other thing), so a crab psychopomp would be not much bigger than a japanese spider crab. Besides, it doesn't have the etheric aura associated with psychopomps. @paxjax: That's just a wierd bit of perspective I think.
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Post by coreshadow on Apr 1, 2011 17:43:29 GMT
at least the awkwardness has gone? ^^
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Post by 0o0f on Apr 1, 2011 18:01:12 GMT
Maybe it does just wants to be friends. Right now it's probably supersad. Or maybe it wants to kill them and was just slow about it. Sigh, weekends.
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Post by Pig_catapult on Apr 1, 2011 19:44:38 GMT
I think the kracken only wants to play. :<
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Post by sebastian on Apr 1, 2011 21:44:52 GMT
i think its friendly :V i hope its friendly? Well, the court have its flaws but I seriously doubt that: a) wouldn't know that such a creature exist near/inside one of the student's dorms and b) would let it here undisturbed if it was dangerous. It is probably something like Basil or Mort or any of the other weird things (no offense) that the court have around.
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Post by jayne on Apr 1, 2011 22:17:39 GMT
Hmmmm... they have the students lodged in close proximity of a gigantic crab... and there's a moon pool in their dorms...
Darth Stewie: "Can't we board it up or, you know, put some plywood over it or something?"
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Post by sebastian on Apr 1, 2011 22:38:55 GMT
The "dangerously incompetent" solution seems unlikely in light of the way the individual teachers are portrayed (except maybe the anonymous teacher in the first chapter). The Court has often chosen the easy thing over the right thing whenever dealing with Gillitie Wood, but many (perhaps most) of the children at the school are the offspring of the teachers. I don't think that the teachers would adopt such practices if they knew that their own children could pay the price for them. One other possibility is that the Court doesn't expect the children to do that much poking and prying around - and from what we can tell, most of them don't. Even when they sneak out in Chapter Nineteen to see the power station experiments, most of them seem more interested in being on an excursion with their girl-friend/boy-friend than in the experiment itself. Annie's the only one who consistently investigates the Court's strangeness (and whoever she shares her suspicions with, such as Kat). Maybe the Court just hadn't anticipated (or anticipated enough) the possible consequences of one of its students having grown up with death-gods instead of with other children her age. Or it could be the same case as at Hogwarts: competent behavior from the teachers when the story needs it, incompetent when competent behavior would prevent the protagonist (whether Harry or Annie) from having adventures. I believe exactly the opposite, the court not only expect the students to poke and prod around, they expect and want them to do it. The Court, beside being a school is a kind of training ground for "special agents" of some kind, like Eglamore, or Kat's and Antimony's parents. The security measures are just a test to see if the kids are curious and inventive enough to pass them, Even Eglamore said something like it. "if you are going to break rule you should try harder to not get caught". That's why the robot guards are so incompetents and the security measures are so easy to bypass, they are meant to be, and this crab is probably something like that, a test to see how the students react in front of a big scary-looking monster in their dorm.
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Post by jayne on Apr 1, 2011 23:23:19 GMT
The "dangerously incompetent" solution seems unlikely in light of the way the individual teachers are portrayed (except maybe the anonymous teacher in the first chapter). The Court has often chosen the easy thing over the right thing whenever dealing with Gillitie Wood, but many (perhaps most) of the children at the school are the offspring of the teachers. I don't think that the teachers would adopt such practices if they knew that their own children could pay the price for them. One other possibility is that the Court doesn't expect the children to do that much poking and prying around - and from what we can tell, most of them don't. Even when they sneak out in Chapter Nineteen to see the power station experiments, most of them seem more interested in being on an excursion with their girl-friend/boy-friend than in the experiment itself. Annie's the only one who consistently investigates the Court's strangeness (and whoever she shares her suspicions with, such as Kat). Maybe the Court just hadn't anticipated (or anticipated enough) the possible consequences of one of its students having grown up with death-gods instead of with other children her age. Or it could be the same case as at Hogwarts: competent behavior from the teachers when the story needs it, incompetent when competent behavior would prevent the protagonist (whether Harry or Annie) from having adventures. I believe exactly the opposite, the court not only expect the students to poke and prod around, they expect and want them to do it. The Court, beside being a school is a kind of training ground for "special agents" of some kind, like Eglamore, or Kat's and Antimony's parents. The security measures are just a test to see if the kids are curious and inventive enough to pass them, Even Eglamore said something like it. "if you are going to break rule you should try harder to not get caught". That's why the robot guards are so incompetents and the security measures are so easy to bypass, they are meant to be, and this crab is probably something like that, a test to see how the students react in front of a big scary-looking monster in their dorm. I agree with this... Kat is taking double physics because she was allowed to jump right to the class that still challenges her. Annie was also in double physics because she's been able to cheat well enough to survive in that class. Strangely both approaches test the students abilities.
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Post by karlito on Apr 2, 2011 0:08:51 GMT
I'm thinking the crab-monster is definitely supposed to be there, and I further that it's going to be the focus of some kind of class research project. That'd be the only sensible reason to have underwater dorms -- so that the students can study underwater creatures.
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Post by smjjames on Apr 2, 2011 0:57:53 GMT
The "dangerously incompetent" solution seems unlikely in light of the way the individual teachers are portrayed (except maybe the anonymous teacher in the first chapter). The Court has often chosen the easy thing over the right thing whenever dealing with Gillitie Wood, but many (perhaps most) of the children at the school are the offspring of the teachers. I don't think that the teachers would adopt such practices if they knew that their own children could pay the price for them. One other possibility is that the Court doesn't expect the children to do that much poking and prying around - and from what we can tell, most of them don't. Even when they sneak out in Chapter Nineteen to see the power station experiments, most of them seem more interested in being on an excursion with their girl-friend/boy-friend than in the experiment itself. Annie's the only one who consistently investigates the Court's strangeness (and whoever she shares her suspicions with, such as Kat). Maybe the Court just hadn't anticipated (or anticipated enough) the possible consequences of one of its students having grown up with death-gods instead of with other children her age. Or it could be the same case as at Hogwarts: competent behavior from the teachers when the story needs it, incompetent when competent behavior would prevent the protagonist (whether Harry or Annie) from having adventures. I believe exactly the opposite, the court not only expect the students to poke and prod around, they expect and want them to do it. The Court, beside being a school is a kind of training ground for "special agents" of some kind, like Eglamore, or Kat's and Antimony's parents. The security measures are just a test to see if the kids are curious and inventive enough to pass them, Even Eglamore said something like it. "if you are going to break rule you should try harder to not get caught". That's why the robot guards are so incompetents and the security measures are so easy to bypass, they are meant to be, and this crab is probably something like that, a test to see how the students react in front of a big scary-looking monster in their dorm. Except that Kat went and had the stereotypical 'girl icking out at something gross' reaction for a brief moment. Annie didn't really have that reaction because she has seen some horrible looking stuff before, such as Ketrak, who is apparently terrifying enough for Kat to want a gallon of brain bleach. Annies reaction is more like completely unexpected "what the hell is that thing?" and run to safety. If anything, where they are is definetly safer since it can't get it's large claws in there and, other stuff.....
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Post by todd on Apr 2, 2011 0:58:46 GMT
That's why the robot guards are so incompetents and the security measures are so easy to bypass, they are meant to be, and this crab is probably something like that, a test to see how the students react in front of a big scary-looking monster in their dorm. Could be. Of course, the incompetence of the robots might be due to the decay or corruption of their CPUS (with Diego no longer around to repair them, and presumably he took his secrets to his grave), or to their shock over their memories of his betrayal of Jeanne - but that's the best explanation about the security measures I've seen.
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Post by Kuraimizu on Apr 2, 2011 3:15:26 GMT
Yays! Mr. Crustacean has new friends to meet this year.
But why do they run from Mr. Crustacean? He is friendly and enjoys being petted. Did you bring any fish? Oh! hide and Seek, his favorite. Where will you hide? Small rooms behind windows? Moon Pool? Surface Catwalk?
Oh look Mr. Crustacean found you. Now Mr. Crustacean Hide?
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Post by hal9000 on Apr 2, 2011 7:46:49 GMT
That's why the robot guards are so incompetents and the security measures are so easy to bypass, they are meant to be, and this crab is probably something like that, a test to see how the students react in front of a big scary-looking monster in their dorm. Could be. Of course, the incompetence of the robots might be due to the decay or corruption of their CPUS (with Diego no longer around to repair them, and presumably he took his secrets to his grave), or to their shock over their memories of his betrayal of Jeanne - but that's the best explanation about the security measures I've seen. It seems to me that a society in which it is possible for a 10-year-old to create an anti-gravity hoverbike in the space of a few hours should be able to deal with incompetent security robots. I mean hell, even if the existing robots were beyond recovery, they could just build or buy some of these if they really cared about their security: news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20010533-1.htmlwww.youtube.com/watch?v=cgpQBZF2sZQxkcd.com/652/
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