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Post by King Mir on Mar 2, 2011 14:48:53 GMT
I wonder if Rey will apologize for trying to possess Annie. I'm skeptical as if he actually intended to do this, or had even been able to had he tried. In www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=822, we see that they symbol representing humans is the eye. In www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=51, the symbol that keeps him imprisoned is the eye with an "international no" stamped across it. Logical to assume that the symbol prevents him from taking the body of a human (a reason to tattoo it onto James and Donald in www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=521). I suspect that he came up with a plan to escape through the toy wolf, which he hastily put into action with the fortune of having Antimony walk through the door immediately after James walked out the other ( www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=53 ) - Loudly exclaiming that he wanted "your body!", punctuated with the "argh! damn it!" as he goes into the toy when James's back was turned. James must have thought that the "magic" didn't work as well as they'd hoped. I don't think Renard was expecting to be stuck there, however. There's a whole long thread discussing this very issue. Regardless of what happened though, Rey Seems to regret it, so an apology is in order.
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Post by q3 on Mar 2, 2011 14:59:44 GMT
So Annie offered to completely release Renard in defiance of the Court, and he turned it down. I'm feeling more of a "wow" then a "d'awww" here. Well, he has already been betrayed once by a woman he loved--and this woman is a student of master manipulator Jones. So even if he did want to leave, it wouldn't necessarily be safe to say "yes" to such an offer without some concrete proof that it would actually get him released.
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Post by Eversist on Mar 2, 2011 15:02:00 GMT
Aaaand my heart just melted for the third time this chapter.
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Post by kelantar on Mar 2, 2011 16:22:44 GMT
Yeah... that gets a big D'AWWWWWW.
Mostly I'm glad that Annie admitted it was kinda her fault.
As for people who say there's no reason she should get punished, she did leave school grounds (which had disastrous consequences last time she did it without permission), she told Coyote that the Court tricked Rey (which Coyote admittedly already knew, but Ysengrin didn't), and there was the little matter of her attempting to set fire to her games teacher. Now, I don't necessarily think she will be punished, just that there's reasons for it to happen.
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Post by Per on Mar 2, 2011 17:13:19 GMT
For panels 5, 6 and 8 to not be particularly creepy, Reynardine's love for Surma can't have been very romantic.
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Post by Aurelia Verity on Mar 2, 2011 18:07:52 GMT
I don't think Renard's love for Annie is the romantic kind. I think what he meant is that he truly loved Surma and even though she didn't feel the same way it doesn't dilute neither the strength of his feelings towards her or the protective, parent like feelings toward her daughter. Reynardine is the closest thing to a parent figure Annie has, the Donlans are a close second but i think Annie is very aware that they are Kat's parents first. It's interesting that Annie's summer absence seems to have strengthened her bond with Renard. Possibly she realized how much she missed him or maybe she found out more about him that painted him in a better light.
Also, i think that it is her relationship with Kat that will suffer, even if Kat won't immediately show it. after all poor Kat had to be told by someone else that her best friend ran off the the wild forest in a time of crisis instead of going to her.
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Post by theweatherman on Mar 2, 2011 18:19:34 GMT
I'm not looking forward to seeing kat, I get the feeling it will feature an upset Kat or a very awkward one.
Don't just ditch yo' bros, know what I'm saying?
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Post by rylfrazier on Mar 2, 2011 20:09:19 GMT
For panels 5, 6 and 8 to not be particularly creepy, Reynardine's love for Surma can't have been very romantic. ... because you can't have platonic love for a child if you once had romantic love for her mother? You live in a strange, sad world.
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Post by Eversist on Mar 2, 2011 20:15:47 GMT
For panels 5, 6 and 8 to not be particularly creepy, Reynardine's love for Surma can't have been very romantic. I've always assumed Rey's affection for Annie was always more paternal than romantic. I mean, from the fact that he loved Surma, even still in death, and how Tom has been shooting down Annie/Rey shippers from the very beginning... I dunno. That's how it read for me, even when Coyote was talking about it in the forest.
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Post by percival on Mar 2, 2011 21:32:44 GMT
For panels 5, 6 and 8 to not be particularly creepy, Reynardine's love for Surma can't have been very romantic. I've always assumed Rey's affection for Annie was always more paternal than romantic. I mean, from the fact that he loved Surma, even still in death, and how Tom has been shooting down Annie/Rey shippers from the very beginning... I dunno. That's how it read for me, even when Coyote was talking about it in the forest. Yes, and remember how he was acting like her father (admittedly with disastrous results) in the last chapter? He loves her like she was his and Surma's daughter. Which makes me really excited to see what kind of sparks might fly when Renard and Anthony finally meet!
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Post by kelantar on Mar 2, 2011 21:52:56 GMT
Which makes me really excited to see what kind of sparks might fly when Renard and Anthony finally meet! I can't help thinking that Anthony won't be that pleased at how much time Reynardine spends around his daughter, but I also can't help thinking that Annie'll lay the smackdown on him if he says anything. Anja: We found your father! Anthony: How dare you act so familiar with my daughter, demon. Annie: I don't think you have any right to act like a father all of a sudden. Anthony: But-- Annie: Mr. and Mrs. Donlan, I appreciate your help regarding my father. Thank you. Reynardine. Bag. *leaves* Rey: *evil grin*
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Post by jayne on Mar 2, 2011 22:01:54 GMT
I absolutely adore how well Tom "speaks" canine. I used to have a big fluffy white dog and Rey makes me miss her more!
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Post by penguinfactory on Mar 2, 2011 22:04:37 GMT
I can't entirely shake the feeling that Coyote has tempted Annie over to his side, and this is some kind of ploy on her part to get Reynardine back into the forest.
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Post by fuzzysocks on Mar 2, 2011 22:26:53 GMT
I LOVE IT~
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Post by smjjames on Mar 2, 2011 22:39:57 GMT
Well, given the fact that the founders clothes and other things (like the musket) place the founding of the court sometime in the 16th or 17th centuries and the fact that wikipedia states that the stories from which Renardine and Ysengrin origionated from was written sometime in the 12th century (the oral tradition could be even older), so Renard and Ysengrin were already old by the time of the courts founding. Since the current story takes place in the early 21st century (tom has repeatedly said in the formspring archive that it takes place in present day, so either the 1990s or 2000's), Renard is already close to or more than a thousand years old.
What I'm saying is that Renard probably has had a number of romances, however I guess he doesn't have much experience actually raising children.
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Post by noblemanofreason on Mar 2, 2011 23:01:23 GMT
I predict Kat will appear in the last panel of the page on Friday, with her reaction to Annie's action shown on Monday. Personally, I think Kat will be upset and angry with Annie, but will get over it either in this chapter or in the next few ones, probably with one or both sobbing in each other's arms.
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Post by King Mir on Mar 3, 2011 1:39:57 GMT
That's how it read for me, even when Coyote was talking about it in the forest. Coyote was the one who accused Renard of liking Annie for being a pretty girl. In panel 6 Rey is saying he still loves Surma. He seems to suggest he sees Annie as a version of Surma. And then there are pages like this and this, where Rey behaves in ways a father never would. I don't think it's right to say that Rey sees himself as a surrogate father to Annie. It's more complex than that.
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Post by stitches on Mar 3, 2011 1:58:06 GMT
I predict Kat will appear in the last panel of the page on Friday, with her reaction to Annie's action shown on Monday. Personally, I think Kat will be upset and angry with Annie, but will get over it either in this chapter or in the next few ones, probably with one or both sobbing in each other's arms. Hmm. I think everyone's forgotten that Kat was getting ready to leave on vacation herself. I'd expect her to be disappointed that Antimony wasn't coming with her, but my guess is that once she returns she'll be all "Ooooh, the forest? Tell me everything!"
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Post by Tierra Y Libertad on Mar 3, 2011 2:01:04 GMT
My first thought, also, was unfortunately a creepy one. I am of the Internet. This is the nature of our hive mind. Gutter.
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Post by Eversist on Mar 3, 2011 2:58:44 GMT
Well, yes, she is Surma's daughter. It could be assumed that Annie is pretty too, and that is something that these two people have in common. Go Coyote. I took that as a joke, rather than fact. Coyote is quite the jokester. Thats one way of taking it. He loved Surma, so as a result wants to take care of her child, is another way of looking at that statement. Those are comics 112 and 313. It's pretty silly to compare their relationship and dynamic then to now, comic 850, almost two years later from those comics if I'm not mistaken. It may not be right, but it's my opinion. I'm not saying that something will never develop between them, beyond friendship, and it's quite possible that Rey may harbor those feelings on some level, I just don't see this as romantic affection, at this moment. You're entitled to think what you want. Also, she's 14. Ew.
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Post by mariposa on Mar 3, 2011 3:28:28 GMT
Just for the record, I've met plenty of kids with dads that make perverted jokes. And I don't think anyone expects Rey to behave as if he actually is Annie's father all the time. Also, he's not a human being, we can't read his behaviors as if they are those of a human being.
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Post by basser on Mar 3, 2011 4:39:04 GMT
Reynardad strikes againnnnn!
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Post by Amethyst on Mar 3, 2011 6:16:02 GMT
When you're a very, very long-lived being, the age thing sort of becomes moot. It's generally more about mental maturity by then, and Renard isn't exactly the pinnacle of adulthood. That being said, I'd still say 14 is too young. But Renard has all the time in the world to wait.
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Post by Eversist on Mar 3, 2011 7:59:22 GMT
Yeah, yeah, I know. It was more fun to phrase it like that, though. XD But Renard has all the time in the world to wait. Does he, though? We had a discussion not to long ago about who thought Reynard was a god/demi-god, and who just thought he was a regular kinda magic forest-denizen that Coyote singled out for one reason or another (all dog-like things could be called his "cousin"). Is Rey mortal or not?
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Post by warrl on Mar 3, 2011 8:13:04 GMT
Well, Reynard and Ysengrim are circa 800 years old... My question: what is the expected lifespan of a human/fire-elemental crossbreed that does NOT have a child?
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Post by Eversist on Mar 3, 2011 8:33:55 GMT
My question: what is the expected lifespan of a human/fire-elemental crossbreed that does NOT have a child? Now that's an interesting point. Remember when Coyote said "when you have a child" and not "if"? And Tom even made a comment about it that day in his little blurb at the bottom? What if they have no choice but to have a kid? Like, there's no question that they're going to reproduce? D:
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Post by todd on Mar 3, 2011 11:44:55 GMT
13, not 14. This is the beginning of Annie's third year at the Court. It was established at the start of the comic that the first year is for ages 11-12. So the second year at the Court would be 12-13, and the third year 13-14. (I still wonder if some of the audience have gotten mixed up at how much time has passed at the Court, and think that there's been an extra year there. That might explain why many people were expecting to see Anthony show up soon, even though the end of Chapter Fourteen said that Annie wouldn't hear from him for another two years. Perhaps the break between Chapters Twenty-two and Twenty-three was mistaken for a summer break?)
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Post by Eversist on Mar 3, 2011 14:11:54 GMT
From the FormSpring:
"How old is Annie in the current story arc? (Sorry, I'm not good at keeping track of these things.)"
"she is almost 14"
I just assumed between the time that's passed in the comic since Tom took his FormSpring down that she had turned 14. We don't actually know when her birthday is, right?
If you're correct, 13 is even grosser.
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Post by smjjames on Mar 3, 2011 16:27:40 GMT
Well, Reynard and Ysengrim are circa 800 years old... Wikipedia says that the stories were written sometime in the 12th century, if there is an oral tradition like ballads or something (no idea if there is one), then he could be even older. We don't know for sure whether he is truly immortal as in he can't be physically or spiritually killed (except maybe through powerful etheric means), however, given the fact that Ysengrins body has deteriorated and that he got injured a bit when Coyote smacked him into a column would indicate that they aren't truly immortal in the sense that they can't be killed but are immortal in the sense that they don't age.
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Post by jandor on Mar 3, 2011 17:39:04 GMT
People saying this is creepy is a bit odd, I don't even think there was anything sexual even with Surma. Dudes a magical fox; and I doubt that he is under any illusions otherwise.
Possibly he had romantic feelings for Surma, but that doesn't strictly speaking mean anything sexual; and with Annie I think he views himself more as an older brother figure or something as far as she's concerned.
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