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Post by coreshadow on Jan 21, 2011 16:38:24 GMT
It'll be inteesting to see what the other foret dwellers think of coyote/ysengrin..
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Post by blahzor on Jan 21, 2011 18:01:32 GMT
Edit: man i should read what people post before even saying what i feel about the page, quite a few people thought the same thing
I'm starting to believe that Ysengrin lost his ear due to a Coyote binding which lead to the reason why he did not want to give him his powers
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 21, 2011 23:17:10 GMT
Maybe, grins. (thwack. ow!) Maybe to give the forest people a feeling of safety? A good point, too. I predict and hope that Ysengrin is going to become more important in later chapters, and that his back story is going to be a major plot point and revelation. As in, "the Green Lad was his friend and 'Grin, understandably, feels vengeful"? Wonder if Tom is trying to tell us something? Or am I looking too deep? I think, Tom teases us - as usual. And is quite good at it. Based only on what I read in the comic, Y's behavior is a little ambivalent. Why? He can deeply admire Coyote and be just as deeply exasperated by his over-the-top shenanigans at the same time.
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Post by goldenknots on Jan 22, 2011 2:01:27 GMT
I get the impression that Ysengrin's ear is smaller every time he shows up. Wasn't there more of it before? In 272 he had most of it, just the tip gone, then shorter in 483, and then pretty much gone since 673.
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Post by Chrome on Jan 22, 2011 2:03:31 GMT
That would be interesting if that was intentionally done....that Yssy's ear shrinks. The number of implications that has would probably fill up the spec thread in a hurry.
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Post by Chemical Rascal on Jan 22, 2011 5:30:46 GMT
You know, I'm starting to like Y more these days. In these moments of tenderness, he starts to look less like a big, crazy, political, warmongering leader, and more like a big, crazy, political, warmongering teddy bear.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 22, 2011 16:34:36 GMT
I'm going to jump on the bandwagon and agree that Ys has become one of my favorite characters. I'll keep it at that since every reason I could give has been covered. I get the impression that Ysengrin's ear is smaller every time he shows up. Wasn't there more of it before? In 272 he had most of it, just the tip gone, then shorter in 483, and then pretty much gone since 673. Loren That would be interesting if that was intentionally done....that Yssy's ear shrinks. The number of implications that has would probably fill up the spec thread in a hurry. Dammit, Coyote! I know Tom says Ys love Coyote, but there are ways to make someone love you.
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Post by blahzor on Jan 22, 2011 16:51:09 GMT
You know, I'm starting to like Y more these days. In these moments of tenderness, he starts to look less like a big, crazy, political, warmongering leader, and more like a big, crazy, political, warmongering teddy bear. i'm really starting to believe that ever since i noticed that Tom was finally not trying to hide how evil Coyote is, he has also finally revealing how caring Y is (tho he's still for the most part grumpy towards the court/certain people at the court). I applaud Tom for how long he keep certain information about Coyote's doings out of the comic to almost be certain how we'd view him. Likable evil
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Post by hargharg on Jan 22, 2011 18:13:07 GMT
You know, I'm starting to like Y more these days. In these moments of tenderness, he starts to look less like a big, crazy, political, warmongering leader, and more like a big, crazy, political, warmongering teddy bear. i'm really starting to believe that ever since i noticed that Tom was finally not trying to hide how evil Coyote is, he has also finally revealing how caring Y is (tho he's still for the most part grumpy towards the court/certain people at the court). I applaud Tom for how long he keep certain information about Coyote's doings out of the comic to almost be certain how we'd view him. Likable evil If he would be evil, there wouldn't be a Court to speak of. Or at least it wouldn't look like ours.
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Post by fuzzysocks on Jan 22, 2011 18:54:13 GMT
Is it weird that I want to stroke that one place his ear was... or am I strange?
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Post by MoonEcho on Jan 22, 2011 21:23:10 GMT
My second thought was ruder than that and involved asking Ysengrin where his current binding is wrapped around. Well, his wolf body doesn't show any, but that made me think if he can regrow or replace a wooden limb. I doubt that Ysengrin has a binding, but your comment made me think... what if Coyote put a binding on something a little less... externally evident? Like a heart? Eeep...
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 22, 2011 23:32:01 GMT
i'm really starting to believe that ever since i noticed that Tom was finally not trying to hide how evil Coyote is, he has also finally revealing how caring Y is (tho he's still for the most part grumpy towards the court/certain people at the court). I applaud Tom for how long he keep certain information about Coyote's doings out of the comic to almost be certain how we'd view him. Likable evil If he would be evil, there wouldn't be a Court to speak of. Or at least it wouldn't look like ours. There are ways to be evil without being needlessly destructive.
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Post by hargharg on Jan 22, 2011 23:58:53 GMT
Never met a chaotic evil character before who wasn't needlessly destructive... Not that I implied destruction, but if Coyote wanted to do harm to the Court, or just threaten them more openly I guess we'd seen much bigger security between the two parts.
Back to my first quote: you can do evil things and not be evil, and do good things and not be good. On the premises we were given, we could call a big part of the cast evil. Do you consider Rey evil for example?
ED: ah I forgot you guys consider yourselves - and mostly are - good people, so you see neutral people as evil. Well, from your perspective you are right. And who knows, you might be right, we didn't have the chance to see how Coyote "rules" the forest yet.
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Post by CarbonRabbit on Jan 23, 2011 4:29:49 GMT
Okay, I've lurked long enough. XD I have a question: Could the binding possibly be also a way to track her, so Coyote would know where she is at all times? Or would that not be necessary since the moon and sun are his eyes and all that? And, wouldn't it be funny if the family she stays with is www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=253? XD
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Post by fronzel on Jan 23, 2011 5:11:21 GMT
Never met a chaotic evil character before who wasn't needlessly destructive... Tell me you aren't taking the D&D alignment chart as a serious piece of moral philosophy.
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Post by Chemical Rascal on Jan 23, 2011 5:45:06 GMT
Never met a chaotic evil character before who wasn't needlessly destructive... Tell me you aren't taking the D&D alignment chart as a serious piece of moral philosophy. Dude. Moral philosophy is drawn from the D&D alignments! Right, guys?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 23, 2011 5:45:40 GMT
Never met a chaotic evil character before who wasn't needlessly destructive... Well, as Belkar eventually learned, you can generally accomplish a lot more destruction by being subtle. That said, a Dungeons & Dragons style alignment system is way too simplified to work on real-life people, or on sufficiently well-written fictional characters. Like, say, characters from GC. Yes. This, a thousand times. Tom said something about his comic in an interview once: "There are no outright evil characters, for example, just situations in which a character might act in a way perceived to be evil."
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 23, 2011 6:39:51 GMT
I tend to agree in the short run that doing something evil doesn't necessarily make a character evil. Over the long haul there absolutely is something evil about a character who consistently does evil things in similar circumstances. Such a character may be neither irredeemably evil nor without good aspects, but I think we would have to call such a character evil else toss the whole notion of a character being good or evil.
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Post by zylonbane on Jan 23, 2011 12:35:46 GMT
Never met a chaotic evil character before who wasn't needlessly destructive... Tell me you aren't taking the D&D alignment chart as a serious piece of moral philosophy. Tell me you aren't taking a one-line post on a webcomic forum as a serious statement of moral philosophy.
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Post by blahzor on Jan 23, 2011 14:43:14 GMT
i'm really starting to believe that ever since i noticed that Tom was finally not trying to hide how evil Coyote is, he has also finally revealing how caring Y is (tho he's still for the most part grumpy towards the court/certain people at the court). I applaud Tom for how long he keep certain information about Coyote's doings out of the comic to almost be certain how we'd view him. Likable evil If he would be evil, there wouldn't be a Court to speak of. Or at least it wouldn't look like ours. yea but he's likable evil or chaotic neutral of the sorts. Being good makes it hard to do tricks on people in the long term. He made a promise and after years and years and years he got bored and wanted to see if he could have some fun and still not break his promise
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Post by Per on Jan 23, 2011 18:23:37 GMT
I actually have a weird theory that Y is going to leave the forest. To go on holiday with the Donlans, using a life-sized cardboard cutout of Annie and speaking in falsetto as a disguise.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 23, 2011 19:31:27 GMT
I actually have a weird theory that Y is going to leave the forest. To go on holiday with the Donlans, using a life-sized cardboard cutout of Annie and speaking in falsetto as a disguise. I would read that. What's odd is that, prior to the last summer holiday, I was predicting that Annie would be staying at Egger's place, and wacky hijinx would ensue. What is it about the summer holiday that makes us want to turn Tom's comic into a sitcom?
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 23, 2011 21:13:56 GMT
Tell me you aren't taking the D&D alignment chart as a serious piece of moral philosophy. Given that this sidetracking began with DC-Disney style "he cackles madly, so he's the sort of a guy who builds a lair in a volcano and has a habit of telling his plans in almost-last moments!" (the simplification is mine)... D&D style is a big step up. ED: ah I forgot you guys consider yourselves - and mostly are - good people, so you see neutral people as evil. Well, from your perspective you are right. You think, they're... elves?! What's odd is that, prior to the last summer holiday, I was predicting that Annie would be staying at Egger's place, and wacky hijinx would ensue. What is it about the summer holiday that makes us want to turn Tom's comic into a sitcom? Tired of the emotional rollercoaster?
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Post by hargharg on Jan 23, 2011 21:35:19 GMT
You think, they're... elves?! The elves are mostly neutral you know. Well, at least in my head. : P Other than that I don't get your implication... :mestupid: Tell me you aren't taking the D&D alignment chart as a serious piece of moral philosophy. These are the times when I feel sorry for not having english as my native language. : / And no I don't take it as that. But if we don't want to make things needlessly complicated, it helps. It can be a good measure. ED: Haven't noticed Mezzaphor's posts: we agree then. (Gotta say that Belkar WAS needlessly destructive though. ; ))
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Post by mariposa on Jan 24, 2011 0:45:57 GMT
Coyote isn't evil, he just doesn't care.
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Post by Raph on Jan 24, 2011 5:07:04 GMT
he does care, a lot. but just about himself.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 24, 2011 15:10:50 GMT
No need to get in a hissy about DnD Alignments.
It is, first and foremost, simply a character building tool. It doesn't pretend to be, and no one expects it to be, a complete and applicable philosophy. Even one alignment encompasses a whole range of people that might not seem similar at all.
No one applying alignments thinks otherwise, and anyone that likes the alignment system holds the right to fit their favorite characters in media into it if they so choose for the purposes of personal amusement.
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Post by warrl on Jan 25, 2011 2:02:05 GMT
Never met a chaotic evil character before who wasn't needlessly destructive... Tell me you aren't taking the D&D alignment chart as a serious piece of moral philosophy. I've talked with some quite respectable philosophers who think the D&D 3.5 alignment chart is vague, imbalanced, and flawed, but still a fairly decent attempt to collapse the complexities of morality into a simple grid. (They have really rude things to say about the 4E alignment chart though.)
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 25, 2011 11:54:39 GMT
You think, they're... elves?! The elves are mostly neutral you know. Well, at least in my head. : P Other than that I don't get your implication... :mestupid: I refer to the tradition of measuring everything on the universal scale "But How Much It Looks Open-mouthed At Elves?". Because they know they are good guys, so... ;D
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Post by hargharg on Jan 25, 2011 17:08:44 GMT
The elves are mostly neutral you know. Well, at least in my head. : P Other than that I don't get your implication... :mestupid: I refer to the tradition of measuring everything on the universal scale "But How Much It Looks Open-mouthed At Elves?". Because they know they are good guys, so... ;D Now I get it. Everyday, you learn something new, thanks. : )
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