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Post by jayne on Jan 17, 2011 13:27:48 GMT
So Jones wasn't frozen after all? Literally, Jones wasn't frozen. Only Annie and Coyote were able to move while time was stopped. To the rest of the world, nothing happened. To Annie and Coyote, the rest of the world seemed to have frozen. Shorter version: Jones was frozen.
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Post by zylonbane on Jan 17, 2011 13:28:33 GMT
And so, Ysengrin spent the next month feeling totally bummed that Annie wouldn't let him try on her bitchin' Slap Wrap.
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Post by basser on Jan 17, 2011 15:02:37 GMT
So Jones wasn't frozen after all? Literally, Jones wasn't frozen. Only Annie and Coyote were able to move while time was stopped. To the rest of the world, nothing happened. To Annie and Coyote, the rest of the world seemed to have frozen. Shorter version: Jones was frozen. And to Jones and Ysengrin, Annie appears to have changed positions and facial expressions instantaneously. (Coyote too, but that's hardly anything new for him.) Basically I'm pretty sure there's no way Jones doesn't know what just happened. Magical hairless canine just stopped time right in front of her and she just straight-up did not give a shit. I love this woman.
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Post by paxjax123 on Jan 17, 2011 15:26:04 GMT
And so, Ysengrin spent the next month feeling totally bummed that Annie wouldn't let him try on her bitchin' Slap Wrap. "BUT ANTIMONY, I'M SO CONFUSED! I CARRIED YOU LIKE A LITTLE BABY AND YOU WON'T LET ME WEAR YOUR AWESOME BRACELET." "I CAN'T, YSENGRIN, BECAUSE IT IS MUCH TOO SMALL FOR YOU!" "NOOOOOOOOOOO"
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Post by hargharg on Jan 17, 2011 16:12:55 GMT
Erm, related to the timestopping pages: why do we assume the tooth is all-important? It seems very plausible that this whole thing with it is nothing more than a "trick" by Coyote - actually the first lesson -, and as someone (don't remember the name) said in the other topics the "this bind will snip off your hand" has two meanings. If Tom wanted us to think it will mutilate Annie he could've written "this bind will snip your hand off", but it was the other way. Also if Annie did have the tooth with her Coyote would simply tell her another secret to hold. I hope you guys will point out the flaws and holes in my thinking, so I can adress those too. : D The new page suggest it too, that Coyote just successfully pulled a trick on someone(s).
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Post by q3 on Jan 17, 2011 16:17:39 GMT
And so, Ysengrin spent the next month feeling totally bummed that Annie wouldn't let him try on her bitchin' Slap Wrap. "BUT ANTIMONY, I'M SO CONFUSED! I CARRIED YOU LIKE A LITTLE BABY AND YOU WON'T LET ME WEAR YOUR AWESOME BRACELET." "I CAN'T, YSENGRIN, BECAUSE IT IS MUCH TOO SMALL FOR YOU!" "NOOOOOOOOOOO" You won't share with me because you are selfish. I have little patience for selfishness.
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Post by n3m0 on Jan 17, 2011 16:27:50 GMT
I was kinda expecting she would be able to change her clothes to something more comfortable before starting her stay at the forest. Laundry will be a bi**h to do. You mean down by the river? Dun dun dun. (sorry ;D )
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 17, 2011 16:50:49 GMT
The pose that Coyote is giving off in panel 2 is that of a manipulator with a plan that is going exactly how they imagined it to be, and it is giving me the creeps. I had the exact opposite reaction. I laughed my head off. Coyote was kind enough to put it back on for me too. Even better in panel four. Just sitting there like he's innocent as the day is long. I know it's wrong to laugh at it, but damn if Coyote isn't one magnificent b- I don't even know. Just that.. the more horrible the thing he does.. the more I laugh. Something's wrong with me.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 17, 2011 17:03:26 GMT
Basically I'm pretty sure there's no way Jones doesn't know what just happened. Magical hairless canine just stopped time right in front of her and she just straight-up did not give a shit. I love this woman. AGREED. Jones doesn't make me laugh, but I have crazy amounts of respect for her right now. Jones says nothing because Jones just isn't the sort to do anything without information. Pressing the issue won't do anything. So just shrug your shoulders and wait. If nothing comes of it, oh well. If Annie never says anything, oh well. No use fretting over what you don't/can't know, and going off half cocked just makes things worse.
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 17, 2011 17:20:34 GMT
And so, Ysengrin spent the next month feeling totally bummed that Annie wouldn't let him try on her bitchin' Slap Wrap. That may well be the whole point. I mean, he's Coyote... Magical hairless canine just stopped time right in front of her and she just straight-up did not give a shit. I love this woman. She's always like this. The other end of this is that Jones could not teach Annie to keep that temper in check because she can't even understand the problem beyond theoretical "this may happen". why do we assume the tooth is all-important? It seems very plausible that this whole thing with it is nothing more than a "trick" by Coyote - actually the first lesson By the end of the previous thread about half agreed on this, mainly because Coyote really giving a damn and limiting his limitation to the Forest looks fishy. "this bind will snip off your hand" has two meanings. If Tom wanted us to think it will mutilate Annie he could've written "this bind will snip your hand off", but it was the other way. Coyote probably intended it to be ambiguous. The new page suggest it too, that Coyote just successfully pulled a trick on someone(s). The question is, on whom? I think Coyote also did it because Annie's baiting Ysengrin like that did really upset him. He took an opportunity to give a good scare, so now it's over and he doesn't hold anything against her and can be all smiles (very toothy) again.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 17, 2011 17:44:05 GMT
This was probably mentioned in the previous thread, but wouldn't Coyote's threat last time kind of violate his promise of "no harm will come to you"? Coyote would probably say (if anybody confronted him on that - I'm not sure that too many people would dare do so, mind) that his promise applied to Annie's original visit to Gillitie Wood, when she just visited and went back to the Court after talking with him for a couple of hours, and that her staying in the Wood during the summer is an entirely different circumstance, which his promise did not cover. (It would be the kind of approach a trickster would take; loopholes would appeal far more to one than outright promise-breaking.) Coyote said he would grant her every protection not five minutes ago.
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Post by hargharg on Jan 17, 2011 17:51:55 GMT
The new page suggest it too, that Coyote just successfully pulled a trick on someone(s). The question is, on whom? I think Coyote also did it because Annie's baiting Ysengrin like that did really upset him. He took an opportunity to give a good scare, so now it's over and he doesn't hold anything against her and can be all smiles (very toothy) again. It seems currently only those present got tricked - on a few different levels -, but in the long run? Who knows, it might be that Coyote will trick himself, it lies mostly in Annie's hand now. (And partially in those, who find the tooth back in the Court - if they find it).
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Post by Eversist on Jan 17, 2011 18:29:22 GMT
But Annie, what will you do without your make-up?
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Post by Raph on Jan 17, 2011 19:12:57 GMT
If Tom wanted us to think it will mutilate Annie he could've written "this bind will snip your hand off", but it was the other way. I thought it that way at first, but it should be "this bind will snip off of your hand" so I assumed he meant it would mutilate her. But Annie, what will you do without your make-up? Perhaps she will learn to make her own... with, you know, plants and stuff. Now that I think about it; why do they (Annie's lineage) wear make up? The fire elemental didn't seem to care about it at all.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 17, 2011 19:20:30 GMT
Coyote would probably say (if anybody confronted him on that - I'm not sure that too many people would dare do so, mind) that his promise applied to Annie's original visit to Gillitie Wood, when she just visited and went back to the Court after talking with him for a couple of hours, and that her staying in the Wood during the summer is an entirely different circumstance, which his promise did not cover. (It would be the kind of approach a trickster would take; loopholes would appeal far more to one than outright promise-breaking.) Coyote said he would grant her every protection not five minutes ago. I think Coyote would say that he is protecting Antimony by telling her about the band. If she ignores the warning and tells someone in the wood about the Tooth, then it is Antimony's actions that cost her her hand and not Coyote's, according to trickster-logic. He never said there would be no rules or conditions attached to her stay.
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Post by inwitari on Jan 17, 2011 19:43:10 GMT
I think Coyote would say that he is protecting Antimony by telling her about the band. If she ignores the warning and tells someone in the wood about the Tooth, then it is Antimony's actions that cost her her hand and not Coyote's, according to trickster-logic. He never said there would be no rules or conditions attached to her stay. The bracelet is giving her every protection! It's stopping her from talking about things she shouldn't to the forest dwellers...now at some point I will come up with a theory as to why that would be dangerous...
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Post by jayne on Jan 17, 2011 19:59:12 GMT
I think Coyote would say that he is protecting Antimony by telling her about the band. If she ignores the warning and tells someone in the wood about the Tooth, then it is Antimony's actions that cost her her hand and not Coyote's, according to trickster-logic. He never said there would be no rules or conditions attached to her stay. The bracelet is giving her every protection! It's stopping her from talking about things she shouldn't to the forest dwellers...now at some point I will come up with a theory as to why that would be dangerous... Well, of course, because talking to the forest dwellers about things she shouldn't means her hand would be cut off...that's why its dangerous! ;D Welcome aboard!
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Post by troll on Jan 17, 2011 20:21:18 GMT
Apparently this is acceptable to Annie.
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Post by jayne on Jan 17, 2011 21:18:13 GMT
So, she-who-sees-all sees Annie looking contrite, then turns, takes a step, and turns back a moment later to see Annie turning frantically, toward Coyote, then back, then trying to look casual. Even without time stopping, Jones knows SOMETHING happened behind her back and Coyote sitting still "like a good boy" is a dead give away. What happened to Mr. Slinky? BUT Annie had chosen to stay with a trickster, so whatever trick was just played on Annie, Jones must believe Annie is willing to continue. Um..what did Ysengrin see or has he fallen asleep inside his tree armor. He probably can fall asleep in that thing...
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Post by zylonbane on Jan 18, 2011 2:17:11 GMT
I'm sure this has already been pointed out elsewhere, but what the heck--
Coyote promised Annie that no harm would come to her. He didn't promise he wouldn't lie^H^H^H play any tricks on her.
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Post by fronzel on Jan 18, 2011 2:33:01 GMT
I realize that we don't hear Jones finish her truncated statement from two pages ago. Her first bubble should start with "-me" to continue her last sentence.
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Post by Kuraimizu on Jan 18, 2011 3:51:10 GMT
Some have mentioned Annie's wardrobe. Likely hood is that Coyote or Ysengrin will provide a sun-dress, the color of brightly colored green leaves, such as was shown in the Fourth Treatise. twitpic.com/3m0k2pAlso it is good she has left the tooth back at the court. Such a blade would be most dangerous to the balance of power. If Ysengrin acquired the blade he would easily have the power needed to... 1 - Attack and declare War on the Court. and / or 2 - attempt a Coup d'état and take over the forest. Also some of the citizens of the forest might not like Coyote or Ysengrin, and too be sure, some won't like Annie because she comes from the Court. Annie may be the target of some misplaced anger during her stay in the forest. And / or Annie might have to defend her position in the forest pecking order, Survival of the fittest and all that. Also who knows what power the Sword of Coyote has. it is one of Coyote's fangs after all. And we already know it has retained the ability to shape shift. when drawn it could easily become as long as the wielder desired. and with practice, one could easily change it's shape while fighting. first a dagger, then as you slash a katana, a wakizashi to block as you parry, as they are off balance a broadsword to break their blade, and with a broad swing you cut both them and the moon in two.
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Post by fronzel on Jan 18, 2011 5:13:46 GMT
Also some of the citizens of the forest... You shouldn't use that word in reference to the forest since its original meaning is an inhabitant of a city and because it implies the possession of political (another word with roots in the city) rights and responsibilities. I have doubts the people of the forest have either since they eat each other (see Red & Blue's deaths in the maw of Ysengrin) and the top dog is Coyote.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 18, 2011 6:11:40 GMT
Also some of the citizens of the forest... You shouldn't use that word in reference to the forest since its original meaning is an inhabitant of a city and because it implies the possession of political (another word with roots in the city) rights and responsibilities. I have doubts the people of the forest have either since they eat each other (see Red & Blue's deaths in the maw of Ysengrin) and the top dog is Coyote. The current use in the language has several alternative meanings as well, to include "a resident or denizen" and "a native or naturalized member of a state or nation who owes allegiance to its government and is entitled to its protection", which both apply to the forest creatures.
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Post by zombie on Jan 18, 2011 21:57:35 GMT
For some reason, this comes to mind: EDIT: And it's REALLY creeping me out, now.
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Post by Max on Jan 19, 2011 5:44:48 GMT
Gendo Ikari exists to creep people out.
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Post by blulink on Jan 19, 2011 7:16:45 GMT
Suddenly, I am not very interested in this chapter. I don't know why exactly. Maybe I was expecting too much?
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Post by Raph on Jan 19, 2011 7:30:16 GMT
It will be a long chapter, as we are only halfway there. Stop expecting, start enjoying.
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Post by Starrylight on Jan 19, 2011 22:32:31 GMT
Wait, how do we know it's only halfway done? I thought for sure this chapter is almost over. (Not that it's a bad thing...this chapter has been very very interesting so far.)
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Post by legion on Jan 19, 2011 22:37:45 GMT
The only time a chapter would have been longer than 50 pages, Tom cut it in half (it was Spring Heeled), so we can be relatively sure that this chapter has *at most* 12 pages left, out of 38 already posted.
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