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Post by Goatmon on Nov 10, 2010 8:31:16 GMT
Thus Jack experiences that dreaded bane of adolescent existence, the beast Aaaaawkward. I have no trouble seeing Hyland Sr. saying Surma was nice... through gritted teeth, a grudging expression, and an unconvincing tone. Unless, of course, Tom surprises us and shows a flashback where Hyland and Surma come to terms with each other or something. It wouldn't really be a surprise considering how several people have guessed that's what happens already, myself included. I mean, is it so hard to believe that two thirteen year-old kids who hate each other eventually come to terms by they time they grow up? It is on a forum loaded with people who obsess and nitpick over every single detail they can, yes.
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Post by blastdragon on Nov 10, 2010 8:54:18 GMT
Why does everybody think Anne is emotion-less because these comics are maybe meant to be romantic. I seems more logical that Anne tries to stay strong, she just hear that her mom isn't that perfect as she thought. And she tries to keep her feelings to herself...
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Post by Rex on Nov 10, 2010 8:54:37 GMT
All the people seem to have loved the beautiful Surma, both in the Court and the Forest. Surma, the ultimate queen bee? Seems like she was just a amiable person, or at least that's the impression she gave most people at the Court.
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 10, 2010 9:00:16 GMT
Why does everybody think Anne is emotion-less because these comics are maybe meant to be romantic. I seems more logical that Anne tries to stay strong, she just hear that her mom isn't that perfect as she thought. And she tries to keep her feelings to herself... Everybody? I count only one that says "ice queen" and another that says "oblivious" in the previous page. Most of the other comments have been on the awkwardness, Hyland Sr.'s opinion on Surma as told by Jack, and Annie's apparently perturbed expression (certainly NOT a sign of being "emotionless") in panel four.
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Post by basser on Nov 10, 2010 9:14:50 GMT
Take a chill pill there Casey, cheezus. Not everyone has the same definition for words as you do, especially words which are colloquial terms and are subject to reinterpretation based on geographic locale and individual whim. By my personal definition, Annie is a straight up, triple-A gold standard Ice Queen. This is based on the fact that in social situations, she is (insert rapper accent here) ICE COLDDDDDD.
This is not the same thing as a Frigid Bitch, which I do not qualify her as. An FB is ice cold on purpose, hence the 'bitch' part. An Ice Queen, on the other hand, may not necessarily know how to act differently, and in fact is so universally ICE COLDDDDDD that she has risen above her frosty peers and become 'queen' of the attitude itself. It's honestly the most polite way of saying a gal don't know shit about conversation skills. Which, I'm sorry, is Annie to a T.
Your definition, obviously, is different. That doesn't mean you need to get all OH MAH GAWD SRS BSNS up in here over it. Language, man. It's crazy stuff.
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Post by preus on Nov 10, 2010 9:29:05 GMT
Y'know, until this page the thought that Hyland Sr. was still in the Court had never occurred to me. I'd always assumed he'd gone off somewhere else and sent Jack along to his old school. No idea why I thought this. The Court is huge, so it's hardly surprising that we haven't run into him yet. I guess I'm just used to things like Star Wars where, in a galaxy full of people, the same characters just keep bumping into each other.
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Post by hurston on Nov 10, 2010 9:35:51 GMT
Awwww, poor Jack got the brushoff. Actually I'm suprised he isn't going after Kat given their mutual interest in electronics, but opposites seem to attract in the court, so I shouldn't be.
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 10, 2010 9:48:08 GMT
Awwww, poor Jack got the brushoff. Actually I'm suprised he isn't going after Kat given their mutual interest in electronics, but opposites seem to attract in the court, so I shouldn't be. Well, he thinks it was Annie who helped in saving him from being, in his words, a goner. His infatuation, if that's what this is, may stem largely from that feeling of gratitude, however misplaced.
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Post by Amethyst on Nov 10, 2010 10:25:06 GMT
I think the point is that it's funny because we only know two things about Jack's father, the incident with Surma and what Jack just said, and they are completely contradictory within the context. That's all. That's it. Laugh and enjoy the comic!
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 10, 2010 10:31:05 GMT
Laughing and enjoying the comic isn't necessarily exclusive from making wild theories and guesses, most of which will probably end up not hitting the mark anyway.
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 10, 2010 10:46:54 GMT
Speaking of which we have not made nearly enough wild theories so far. So let me just say: Jack isn't interested in Antimony romantically at all! He just wants her to think he is so she'll fall for him! Then he will convince her to let his dad clone her (that is what the research project is) to create an army of invincible clones so that the Court can launch a full-scale attack on Gilltie! You can clearly tell all this from the way that he's sitting in panel five! It's obvious!
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 10, 2010 10:50:44 GMT
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Post by Yin on Nov 10, 2010 10:57:07 GMT
Disproof: That's Bob.
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 10, 2010 11:01:53 GMT
I was being facetious.
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Post by Per on Nov 10, 2010 11:58:47 GMT
I can't believe this thread got to page 2 before anyone pointed out we have no evidence that Jack's dad isn't a brain in a jar.
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Post by jayne on Nov 10, 2010 12:17:28 GMT
I doubt Annie does go away with the Dolans, but if she does... at least Rey could stay with Jack. Jack knows all about him anyway.
Nah... Annie would have to transfer control to Jack for weeks and she just doesn't know him as well as she knows Kat.
I think Annie will be staying over the break... maybe she'll spend more time with Jack. She rejected his hand holding in a non-insulting manner and stayed to chat. At least he knows she's basically okay with him.
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Post by todd on Nov 10, 2010 12:40:21 GMT
Annie's probably already become committed to going with the Donlans on summer holiday, and it's too late to back out now. I certainly doubt that Kat would let her - not after how the last summer holidays went. Though at least Annie would have a better reason for staying at the Court than just "my father might send a message".
And, yes, it would be kind to Reynardine, so that he won't be stuck in the toybox all summer. (Reynardine's case strikes me as one example of how the Court's scheming has dragged it into a vicious spiral. He's here in the Court, guilty of at least two deaths, because they manipulated him into coming there - and the reason why they did that was because of their fear of the inhabitants of Gillitie Wood, itself the product of their earlier actions towards the forest-folk. And now they're afraid to let him go for fear of the consequences - which could lead to further trouble.)
Incidentally, the mentions of Scotland and Paris show, once again, that the Court isn't the sole island of humanity amid a planet-covering forest.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Nov 10, 2010 13:14:38 GMT
Great catch, mezzaphor! You're absolutely right -- I'm certain it is the same courtyard area. Same wall colors, same covered walkway with the same joist design, same knee-high brick wall. I don't think it has any significance plot-wise, but it does go to show how much effort Tom puts in to create a consistent, believable world. Awesome! You rock, Tom! ;D
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Post by dismalscientist on Nov 10, 2010 13:22:42 GMT
I can't believe this thread got to page 2 before anyone pointed out we have no evidence that Jack's dad isn't a brain in a jar. Disproof: I am Jack's father.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Nov 10, 2010 13:24:06 GMT
Annie's probably already become committed to going with the Donlans on summer holiday, and it's too late to back out now. I certainly doubt that Kat would let her - not after how the last summer holidays went. Though at least Annie would have a better reason for staying at the Court than just "my father might send a message". And, yes, it would be kind to Reynardine, so that he won't be stuck in the toybox all summer. (Reynardine's case strikes me as one example of how the Court's scheming has dragged it into a vicious spiral. He's here in the Court, guilty of at least two deaths, because they manipulated him into coming there - and the reason why they did that was because of their fear of the inhabitants of Gillitie Wood, itself the product of their earlier actions towards the forest-folk. And now they're afraid to let him go for fear of the consequences - which could lead to further trouble.) Incidentally, the mentions of Scotland and Paris show, once again, that the Court isn't the sole island of humanity amid a planet-covering forest. A trip away from both Court and Forest might be good for everyone: - Annie can see that there's more to the world than just the mystery she's been dropped into, and perhaps gain perspective on a number of different issues she is struggling with presently. - Kat can see new species for her organically-inspired designs, and spend some extended time with Annie, which they haven't done in awhile. - Rey can, perhaps, be given a bit more freedom during the trip, to exercise his powers and personality without upsetting the balance of the Court/Forest dynamic. - The Donlans can enjoy a nice trip away from teaching, and maybe get some time with just each other while the kids go out and play. - And we'll get some new and pretty scenery to look at.
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Post by Mylian on Nov 10, 2010 14:08:37 GMT
Annie just has no idea how to deal with her emotions. The stronger and more confusing they get, the more she feels the need to contain them. They're a problem to her mind that has to be figured out. Sorted, labeled, and filed. Because that's how she's used to approaching things.
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Post by DC on Nov 10, 2010 14:15:25 GMT
All the people seem to have loved the beautiful Surma, both in the Court and the Forest. Surma, the ultimate queen bee? One time she punched me in the face. It was awesome.
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Post by djublonskopf on Nov 10, 2010 14:15:47 GMT
I think the point is that it's funny because we only know two things about Jack's father, the incident with Surma and what Jack just said, and they are completely contradictory within the context. That's all. That's it. Laugh and enjoy the comic! Alternate theory: Hyland, Sr. had a crush on Surma, and that's the best way he knew to express it. It's how I acted in middle school.
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Post by jayne on Nov 10, 2010 14:25:56 GMT
Annie just has no idea how to deal with her emotions. The stronger and more confusing they get, the more she feels the need to contain them. They're a problem to her mind that has to be figured out. Sorted, labeled, and filed. Because that's how she's used to approaching things. I feel I should add that this is a perfectly normal reaction for people geared more toward logic than toward creativity. That's a nice way of saying she's a perfectly normal geek like many others including the person typing this.
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Post by q3 on Nov 10, 2010 14:33:57 GMT
Annie isn't aware of the events shown in Ties, as far as we know, so this is likely the first she's heard of Jack's father. Right now she's probably thinking, "So, what, this means my mother was in a love heptagon? Coyote damn it."
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 10, 2010 14:37:04 GMT
Annie just has no idea how to deal with her emotions. The stronger and more confusing they get, the more she feels the need to contain them. They're a problem to her mind that has to be figured out. Sorted, labeled, and filed. Because that's how she's used to approaching things. I feel I should add that this is a perfectly normal reaction for people geared more toward logic than toward creativity. That's a nice way of saying she's a perfectly normal geek like many others including the person typing this. I feel I should add that it's also perfectly normal for introverts, whether they're creative or logical (although Antimony does seem to be more of a logic person). Since everything that's important is inside your head, it's extremely uncomfortable to have emotions just running around wild in there. Therefore they must be caught and fastened down firmly.
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Post by Alexandragon on Nov 10, 2010 14:41:20 GMT
Nice and interesting page, as I think. It seems that Annie's mum was known person in GC.
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Post by jayne on Nov 10, 2010 15:47:54 GMT
Suspected subtext.
Panel 1 & 2: Jack: "dang, she stood up.. I hope i haven't made her mad" Panel 3: Annie "Nice plant" Panel 4: Jack: "Whew, she doesn't sound upset" Panel 5: Annie and Jack: "so....." Panel 6 & 7: Annie: "say something", Jack: "say something interesting" Panel 8: Jack: "I think you're nice" Panel 9: Annie: "I see"
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Post by Casey on Nov 10, 2010 15:56:53 GMT
I think Annie's mind is still on stuff about her mom, which is part of the reason she's giving deadpan answers and staring off in the distance. Jack just caught her at a real unfortunate moment.
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Post by Snes on Nov 10, 2010 15:59:20 GMT
Hey, here's a theory: Annie is going to ask Jack if he'll watch over Reynard for the summer. He's pretty much her only friend (using that term loosely) who knows about him and is staying in the Court all summer.
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