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Post by jayne on Nov 5, 2010 13:46:32 GMT
I love how, no matter what happens, there's always 6 or 7 different ways to interpret it. "Oh look... there's a rock.. that MEANS something... hmmmm..." - If Annie was going to meet Jack, she probably would have told Kat at some point beforehand.
- When Annie leaves, Kat doesn't have her "girlie squeal" face like she had when George and Smitty got together. Kat the Romantic would have been much more excited if she knew Annie was going to meet Jack.
- Jack is staring at a bush... whether he's waiting for Annie or just sitting, he's deep in thought... or maybe he just likes bushes.
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Post by Mylian on Nov 5, 2010 14:01:04 GMT
There's also maybe a strong element of disappointment in her mother. I mean, here Annie is, a true neutral party who knows the flaws of both the Court and Wood, and holds the interests of neither one to be more important than the other. Now she finds out that her mom, who was supposed to be that sort of neutral party as a medium between the Court and Wood, acted underhandedly in the clear interests of the Court instead of seeking a compromise and thus set in motion a chain of events that resulted in the death of a boy.
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Post by jayne on Nov 5, 2010 14:06:30 GMT
There's also maybe a strong element of disappointment in her mother. I mean, here Annie is, a true neutral party who knows the flaws of both the Court and Wood, and holds the interests of neither one to be more important than the other. Now she finds out that her mom, who was supposed to be that sort of neutral party as a medium between the Court and Wood, acted underhandedly in the clear interests of the Court instead of seeking a compromise and thus set in motion a chain of events that resulted in the death of a boy. She's probably mentally writing 11 forum pages worth of 'what if's about the whole thing.
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Post by Rex on Nov 5, 2010 14:07:24 GMT
Everything about Jack's pose seems to suggest he's very disturbed by what happened. Reflective layouts: Annie's head tuns through the first three panels, Jacks head turns through the last three. Spooky. Or maybe there's only so many ways to show someone turning their head. Good eye catching that layout tidbit, Tipsy. It's interesting that the page's panels are reflective while the two characters appear to be reflecting on something troubling them.
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Post by jayne on Nov 5, 2010 14:13:04 GMT
That tree around Jack keeps catching my eye... its just a tree but doesn't it look ominous? In comic, its June so the tree must be dead but from a distance, it looks like the world is cracked around Jack or that its reaching for him.
In comic, its just a dead tree but symbolically, it seems to be foreshadowing? Maybe showing Jack's better now but hasn't put the spider thing behind him yet.
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 5, 2010 14:30:41 GMT
[/li][li] When Annie leaves, Kat doesn't have her "girlie squeal" face like she had when George and Smitty got together. Kat the Romantic would have been much more excited if she knew Annie was going to meet Jack. [/list][/quote] While I agree that Annie probably didn't tell Kat she was meeting Jack (if it was pre-arranged), I'd have to disagree on Kat's reaction. Recall that one of Kat's more recent memories of Jack was of him being a jerk to Annie, and that he was acting all unstable. He was really pissed off at him and even encouraged Annie not to answer his invitation during the Spring-Heeled chapters. Even if Annie tells her that Jack's mentally okay now, I don't think she had a chance to talk to sane-again-Jack. It's likely some of her behavior would still be influenced by her less-than-pleasant encounters with the boy before. I don't think her opinion would come around just like that. If she knew Annie was meeting Jack, at the very least she'd still be a bit wary. She'd probably insist on coming with Annie, if only to make sure Jack is really alright now and not a threat. Kat the Romantic would take a backseat to Kat the Protective and Suspicious Friend. I just don't see her squealing like a shipper if she knew. Also; forum newbie and long-time fan. Hi.
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Post by jayne on Nov 5, 2010 14:53:20 GMT
Hi Mikeymikemikey! (I like your name by the way!) It might be a mistake but I assume Annie always tells Kat what happens between scenes. Kat would be horrified to learn Jack was being controlled by demonic spiders!!! Any residual fears regarding Jack would have been overwritten by sympathy. When Annie apologized to Jack (off camera), I'll bet Kat went with her, at least partially for the reasons you mentioned.
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 5, 2010 15:03:08 GMT
I think her look of concern is due to her processing the information she just learned... she doesn't like it. That was my take, too. Or she's at least trying to figure out what to do with it. I definitely don't think it has anything to do with Jack, what with the transition panels between them.
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 5, 2010 15:17:30 GMT
Dang. I wish my homework was Jack.
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Post by Yin on Nov 5, 2010 15:31:26 GMT
Dang. I wish my homework was Jack. I am so glad I wasn't drinking anything because I didn't make that connection before.
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Post by jayne on Nov 5, 2010 15:42:46 GMT
Dang. I wish my homework was Jack. Bahaaa! You have just won this thread! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by legion on Nov 5, 2010 17:01:29 GMT
Guys, this is clearly Eglamore in disguise.
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Post by Snes on Nov 5, 2010 17:13:29 GMT
Guys, this is clearly Eglamore in disguise. No, Tom said on his Twitter that he'd tell us when Eglamore shows up. Which is good, because I'm never quite sure who it is until Tom confirms it. I'm just that dense.
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 5, 2010 18:06:22 GMT
Guys, this is clearly Eglamore in disguise. No, Tom said on his Twitter that he'd tell us when Eglamore shows up. Which is good, because I'm never quite sure who it is until Tom confirms it. I'm just that dense. I know, right? I was so confused when he said that tree wasn't Eglamore. It looked just like him!
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Post by jayne on Nov 5, 2010 18:09:31 GMT
..um... what am I missing this time?
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 5, 2010 18:15:37 GMT
..um... what am I missing this time? Well, it's just that unless you pay attention you might miss the fact that the tree in panel four of this page isn't Eglamore. I mean, Tom had to leave a note for us, even, that's how closely they resemble each other.
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Post by jayne on Nov 5, 2010 18:30:00 GMT
..um... what am I missing this time? Well, it's just that unless you pay attention you might miss the fact that the tree in panel four of this page isn't Eglamore. I mean, Tom had to leave a note for us, even, that's how closely they resemble each other. Ahhhhh.... good to know.. ;D I was too busy freaking out that a tree had a visible rib cage... ewww! (imagine the splinters!)
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Post by paxjax123 on Nov 5, 2010 18:44:58 GMT
Why do I suddenly feel like Annie and Jack are going to get together after I reread this page? ._.
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Post by davidm on Nov 5, 2010 19:03:34 GMT
... here Annie is, a true neutral party who knows the flaws of both the Court and Wood, and holds the interests of neither one to be more important than the other. Now she finds out that her mom, who was supposed to be that sort of neutral party... Who sets the job description for "medium"? Her mom may have felt she was fullfilling description part of diplomatic corps for humans... you would expect the US ambassador to Russia to favour the americans. Her mom's actions might seem "heroic" by americans if she was part of diplomatic corps, she neutralised the equivilent of a potential rogue nuclear bomb through her "feminine wiles". (Mr. Fox had potential power to wipe out court or large part of it) Jones on other hand sees the role as "true neutral". Thus likely a conflict between the two of them.
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Post by jayne on Nov 5, 2010 19:39:35 GMT
I think Jones is literally neutral. She may work for the court but she doesn't see either the court or the forest as superior to the other.
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Post by christopher on Nov 5, 2010 20:32:11 GMT
No one is completely neutral. I think Jones doesn't trust either side, or rather she knows what they are like and thus has a similar opinion of both.
That's not neutrality, it's contempt.
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 5, 2010 20:57:23 GMT
No one is completely neutral. I think Jones doesn't trust either side, or rather she knows what they are like and thus has a similar opinion of both. That's not neutrality, it's contempt. I agree. It's never seemed to me that Jones is really completely neutral, more that she's equally disapproving of both sides.
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Post by Casey on Nov 5, 2010 21:03:19 GMT
I think there is a difference between being able to see the faults and weaknesses of both sides, and contempting them both for it. I think Jones possesses the former but not the latter.
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Post by ryos on Nov 5, 2010 21:34:37 GMT
I think there is a difference between being able to see the faults and weaknesses of both sides, and contempting them both for it. I think Jones possesses the former but not the latter. Although to be fair, with Jones it's hard to tell. She simultaneously seems to hold both everything and nothing in contempt.
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Post by jayne on Nov 5, 2010 21:34:45 GMT
Contempt seems a bit too strong a word to describe something about Jones. She doesn't seem passionate enough to hold anything in contempt. Mild disregard maybe....
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Post by todd on Nov 5, 2010 22:30:30 GMT
In comic, its June so the tree must be dead but from a distance, it looks like the world is cracked around Jack or that its reaching for him. Where did the comic say that? I haven't seen any mention of which month it is.
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Post by Casey on Nov 5, 2010 22:34:05 GMT
The school year is coming to an end which means it's June. The Donlans are about to go on vacation and take Annie with them as promised from last year when Annie stayed at the school over summer break by herself waiting for her Dad to call and never did. Tom also mentioned a page or two ago about Annie having homework up until the last day.
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 5, 2010 23:17:33 GMT
Speaking of Anthony, I was wondering something. Antimony's behaviour around most people (aside from her friends) seems similar to (what we've seen of) his, but after seeing the last couple of pages I'm not sure if it's because she's reserved around people she doesn't trust or isn't very familiar with, or if it's because she's been taught that it's not polite to express disapproval of something that someone else present doesn't seem to have a problem with (especially if that someone is an adult, like Mrs Donlan). Or if it's a combination of both.
Thoughts?
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Post by strangebloke on Nov 5, 2010 23:29:37 GMT
I think that she doesn't say anything because she honestly isn't offended. She likes Rey, considers him a dear friend, and will fight to protect him, but she also fears him somewhat. (he tried to kill her, she assumes that he's killed lots of people.) Also, she has no reason to think that Anja is trying to poison her mind or anything. Annie used the phrase "made him think she loved him", not Anja.
I think she has the exact same attitude Mrs. Donlan has. Uncomfortable with the whole deal, but somewhat understanding. That said, I think what you say about not expressing disapproval is true of annie.
Mediums are not a sacred order of completely unbiased people. Look at Ysengrin, for crying out loud.
side note: Early on, Reynardine was always "Reynardine." When Annie and Kat started calling him Rey, so did we. Now, its strickly "Reynard" I LAUGHING ON LINE.
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Post by todd on Nov 5, 2010 23:33:30 GMT
The school year is coming to an end which means it's June. The Donlans are about to go on vacation and take Annie with them as promised from last year when Annie stayed at the school over summer break by herself waiting for her Dad to call and never did. Tom also mentioned a page or two ago about Annie having homework up until the last day. Thanks. I'd wondered about that, but since they were specifically saying "weekend", I thought they might be going away just for the weekend and be back on Monday (or on Tuesday if it was a three-day weekend).
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