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Post by jayne on Oct 6, 2010 15:33:13 GMT
I agree about the crass term, how about "mental assault"?
Annie was cut but only etherically. Annie is a natural as far as projecting herself into the ether... is it possible that she accidentally projected herself, even without knowing she could use the stone for that? The stone is just a focusing device, maybe in her exhausted state, she did it without the focusing device.
When Kat's light hit her, she snapped out of it and the cut disappeared.
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Post by Refugee on Oct 6, 2010 15:56:12 GMT
I suppose that "mind rape" is the term you were thinking about? It's the term usually used in SF discussions for such scenarios I think, though I agree it may be a bit crass. Entirely appropriate, though, given the adult content involved. Annie says "shouldn't", not "shouldn't be able to". I think "mind rape" is exactly what happened.
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Post by mudmaniac on Oct 6, 2010 16:09:05 GMT
Theory 1 - Jeanne has been bound as a guardian of the Annan waters, but is not a willing parpicipant. She's able to exert enough control to avoid a killing stroke. I'm thinking along the same lines. I'm guessing as this white hot sentinel, she is fueled by overwhelming rage and anguish. In the back of Jeanne's mind I'm quite sure she is resisting, but to no avail. I imagine its like being aploplectic multiplied by a thousand.
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Post by Ulysses on Oct 6, 2010 16:18:23 GMT
Annie says "shouldn't", not "shouldn't be able to". I think "mind rape" is exactly what happened. I was wondering exactly this. Whether Annie was showing some preconceived idea about the abilities of ghosts, or commenting on the morality of Jeanne's actions. I still don't think it's entirely clear, but I think the second explanation is the more likely. Now, back to being a fanboy. How squee-worthy is the first panel? The dice say... very.
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Post by evilanagram on Oct 6, 2010 16:50:00 GMT
I don't see the term "mind rape" as crass at all, and it's a much more accurate description of what happened than "mental assault" is. Jeanne forced her memories onto them, invading their minds. The metaphor is fairly apt. Annie's eye makeup is the best in the world. Doesn't run despite copious tears. Eyeshadow in general tends to not run when you cry, as it's applied to the upper eyelid. It's mascara that runs when you cry.
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Post by Casey on Oct 6, 2010 17:51:46 GMT
You might recall that Annie's mascara did run when she got rained on in Power Station.
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Post by unrequited on Oct 6, 2010 18:01:51 GMT
I hope now that Parley actually owns up to her feelings for Smitty and does something about it. Like kiss him. Would make this chapter the best yet.
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 6, 2010 19:12:22 GMT
Also, I really think Parley looks cute in the last panel. Told ye. When it's a life-and-death matter, she stops the fireworks and becomes composed. So...does this mean Parley thinks Jeanne was holding back? Do you think Parley's trying to imply that Jeanne let them live, or at least didn't go after them as hard as she could have? What could that possibly mean in the bigger picture? Either that, or just wasn't sure what she wants to do. Remember that boy with a salamander, Martin? He was obviosly in a less than lucid state - and he wasn't "stuck" for centuries, nor tampered with, nor has someone to blame... Jeanne may be torn between incompatible desires and stimuli, not all of which are her own for that matter. It would be more strange is she acted completely coherently. "A ghost shouldn't do that." But...OK for a live person? Also, it's still a question which part a ghost "shouldn't do", but the point is, Jeanne's not a ghost proper (like Mort), she's a "stuck" spirit (like Martin). The way the last panel has the question hang there makes me think maybe Parley knows something about someone named Jeanne. Or just realized others know more about what's going on and she was "out of the loop". Parley seems to recover quickly, Smith is definitely good at making order out of chaos! I doubt this affects people directly (then "these two" wouldn't act like that, after all). Either way, Parley just won a handful of "cool points" for she can slide from breakdown to debriefing so quickly. ;D Annie certainly believed she had been cut, and saw what seemed to be blood, but later discovered that she had no cut. The cut then was an attempt to scare Annie, and might have worked if not for Kat's timely arrival. Coyote disagrees. Also, she doesn't even remember it, but it's here.
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Post by christopher on Oct 6, 2010 19:12:25 GMT
Random note: I believe I see Jeanne's sword in the third treatise. It didn't look like a fencer's sword before, but looking at the sword ghost Jeanne was wielding as well as the one laid upon her corpse, I think they match. FYI: Fencing is actually what any sort of sword training is called. It was the term used for combat styles, not the anemic and silly 'sport' we have now. It could be used with any style of blade weapon. Which by the way, her's is a Rapier. The fact that it's a slim, but double edged weapon, says it's probably a French model (Appropriate) near the middle of the era. It's designed mostly for stabbing, but you can slash with it. I like swords. >.>
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Post by Tenjen on Oct 6, 2010 20:14:35 GMT
A ghost shouldnt forcefeed people stuff like that is what i think Annie meant. grief/suffering reaction.
What parley said is interesting. Does this mean that Jeanne wasnt putting her 100% into it?
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Post by basser on Oct 6, 2010 22:52:40 GMT
"Oh god, you saw Jeanne?"
Er, duh, Kat. That's what this whole blinker-tossing escapade was for, wasn't it!?
I guess she means that "Oh god Parley saw Jeanne wtf" but it still comes off as a bit derp.
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Post by rageboy on Oct 6, 2010 22:53:38 GMT
I agree that Annie's talking about the mind rape (I also agree that that's an apt term for this scenario). And I believe that based on Parley's and Jeanne's comments ("A fencer like that..." and "A fine move..." respectively), Jeanne wasn't trying as hard as she could have...perhaps not even trying to hurt/kill them because she expected them to be able to avoid it.
Just my two cents.
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Post by rageboy on Oct 6, 2010 22:55:34 GMT
"Oh god, you saw Jeanne?" Er, duh, Kat. That's what this whole blinker-tossing escapade was for, wasn't it!? I guess she means that "Oh god Parley saw Jeanne wtf" but it still comes off as a bit derp. Just because they expected to see Jeane doesn't mean they were going to. And I hadn't thought that perhaps Kat's comment was directed at Parley. Good call.
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Oct 7, 2010 1:01:28 GMT
... Now, back to being a fanboy. How squee-worthy is the first panel? The dice say... very. Squee! I love the first panel, and the second, too! Can we hope that Parley & Smitty finally broke the ice? How can she go back to giving him noogies after he's there for here in this incident? Sweet! Oh, well there's always the possibility that he screws it up...
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Oct 7, 2010 1:03:42 GMT
I don't see the term "mind rape" as crass at all, and it's a much more accurate description of what happened than "mental assault" is. Jeanne forced her memories onto them, invading their minds. The metaphor is fairly apt. Annie's eye makeup is the best in the world. Doesn't run despite copious tears. Eyeshadow in general tends to not run when you cry, as it's applied to the upper eyelid. It's mascara that runs when you cry. You might recall that Annie's mascara did run when she got rained on in Power Station. What's wrong with me? I'm a guy, but I know nothing about eye shadow nor mascara! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Casey on Oct 7, 2010 1:21:05 GMT
What's wrong with me? I'm a guy, but I know nothing about eye shadow nor mascara! ;D ;D ;D And yet, you admit to going "Squeeee!" ?
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Post by evilanagram on Oct 7, 2010 1:30:36 GMT
My voice is way too deep for me to actually go, "Squee," but I echo the sentiment.
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Oct 7, 2010 1:52:24 GMT
"Oh god, you saw Jeanne?" Er, duh, Kat. That's what this whole blinker-tossing escapade was for, wasn't it!? I guess she means that "Oh god Parley saw Jeanne wtf" but it still comes off as a bit derp. I agree with your first statment, but... We don't have a good sense of the elapsed time, and Kat doesn't know about etheric stuff, and on top of that, no one expected that Parley would connect with Annie and Jeanne just by touching Annie's shoulder. So while Kat may have expected Annie to see Jeanne, she probably didn't expect Parley to see her too......
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Oct 7, 2010 2:12:05 GMT
What's wrong with me? I'm a guy, but I know nothing about eye shadow nor mascara! ;D ;D ;D And yet, you admit to going "Squeeee!" ? Typing "squeee" is a lot easier than saying it!
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Oct 7, 2010 2:32:07 GMT
In today's episode, Parley plans her revenge.
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Post by Max on Oct 7, 2010 3:44:36 GMT
Er, duh, Kat. That's what this whole blinker-tossing escapade was for, wasn't it!? I dunno, maybe they just planned to have a quick look around the river bank.
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 7, 2010 9:50:05 GMT
Er, duh, Kat. That's what this whole blinker-tossing escapade was for, wasn't it!? I guess she means that "Oh god Parley saw Jeanne wtf" but it still comes off as a bit derp. Seems so. After all, Parley didn't toss blinkers down or something... Also, Kat may be less ready to face abilities that don't require a device (even magical). She just came to terms with Parley's teleportation, and now this. What's wrong with me? I'm a guy, but I know nothing about eye shadow nor mascara! ;D ;D ;D While we chthonical arthropoda don't use such items either, i must admit being aware of the fact that the water flows down more often than not. Despite, technically, not being a trout. What's wrong with me? ;D ;D ;D My voice is way too deep for me to actually go, "Squee," but I echo the sentiment. You can go "Hwaiiieee!", at least.
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Post by jayne on Oct 7, 2010 10:47:22 GMT
When I got fishing, I'd like to catch a keeper redfish.... and while i have caught many fish in my day, I still have never caught a keeper redfish.
So, if I go fishing and mention I caught a keeper redfish, my bff would say "You caught a keeper??" even though that was the point of going fishing in the first place.
Considering the size of the ravine, they probably never expected to see Jeanne on the first try. As it turns out, Jeanne is much more aggressive than a redfish.
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Post by blinkerstoned on Oct 7, 2010 12:45:22 GMT
On another note,if the arrow trapped Jeanne's soul down there,do you think Kat could,given time,reverse-engineer a prototype to free Jeanne from her binding?
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Post by basser on Oct 7, 2010 14:49:44 GMT
When I got fishing, I'd like to catch a keeper redfish.... and while i have caught many fish in my day, I still have never caught a keeper redfish. So, if I go fishing and mention I caught a keeper redfish, my bff would say "You caught a keeper??" even though that was the point of going fishing in the first place. Considering the size of the ravine, they probably never expected to see Jeanne on the first try. As it turns out, Jeanne is much more aggressive than a redfish. Yeah, but Jeanne is also the only thing down there, they threw the metaphorical "line" right where Annie knew her to have been standing before (on the court shore, fairly near the bridge) and instead of being a fish haphazardly bumping into a baited hook and thinking "oh jolly, breakfast!" Jeanne is a metaphysical psychokiller who wanders the ravine in search of victims to sate her bloodlust. All I'm sayin' is, Kat should have probably predicted that Annie would see her. Parley, on the other hand, would rightly come as a shock since nobody was expecting the whole piggyback thing. Still, "Oh god, you saw Jeanne?" No Kat we saw a rock and it frightened us into hysterics.
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Post by zylonbane on Oct 7, 2010 16:03:53 GMT
Annie is a natural as far as projecting herself into the ether... is it possible that she accidentally projected herself, even without knowing she could use the stone for that? It's possible that Annie is a sentient shapeshifting ham sandwich. It is not, however, probable. Alternatively: When a person isn't projecting their spirit, where do you think it is? It's in their body, of course. Which is exactly what Jeanne swiped at.
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Post by hurston on Oct 7, 2010 16:22:51 GMT
I was wondering if Annie's comment about 'a ghost shouldn't do that' has something to do with this panel? Perhaps whatever they did to her meant that she could harm people as a ghost, whereas normally they can't. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=361
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Post by Casey on Oct 7, 2010 16:41:47 GMT
I was wondering if Annie's comment about 'a ghost shouldn't do that' has something to do with this panel? Perhaps whatever they did to her meant that she could harm people as a ghost, whereas normally they can't. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=361As someone mentioned before, it would make more sense in that case for her to say that a ghost shouldn't be able to do that.
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Post by jayne on Oct 7, 2010 17:05:07 GMT
I was wondering if Annie's comment about 'a ghost shouldn't do that' has something to do with this panel? Perhaps whatever they did to her meant that she could harm people as a ghost, whereas normally they can't. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=361Its sad* to say but Surma probably would have prevented Annie from doing this in the first place. Surma was brought up in the court and eventually worked for them. Surma had a lot of experience that would have done Annie good if she were around to share it with her. Granted, Surma didn't know Jeanne was down there but she would have noticed and mentioned the cut on Annie's face. If something down there was able to cut her in that manner, it should be approached with caution, if at all...and not by an inexperienced 13 year old. *Its sad because Surma isn't here to prevent it.
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Post by sparrohawc on Oct 7, 2010 17:25:25 GMT
I suppose that "mind rape" is the term you were thinking about? It's the term usually used in SF discussions for such scenarios I think, though I agree it may be a bit crass. It's brutal, invasive, and traumatic. It's crass because it describes something ugly, not the other way around. I'd say it's wholly appropriate, and the only reason I don't think this is going to have severe long-term emotional consequences for the girls is that they'll be able to do something meaningful with the information they got during the info-dump, which will hopefully give them some closure and allow them to put it behind them. I'd wager it will affect any romantic relationships Annie has in the future, though. --edit-- Whee look I'm late to the party! Bah. At least now I know how to get to the different pages of a thread now.
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