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Post by Zayzie on Jun 18, 2010 11:31:52 GMT
All right, scratch the text bubble things. Turns out that the black text and lines blend with the color in the bubble, they seem have white outlines around them. Thus far, all of Annie's speech bubbles have been the color code #FDF1F5 from page 728 - 735. I titled my screen back to see all the pixels that were different colors, and color picked around the text.
if you go back to what Zimmy said that it's as real as you let it be, this could possibly explain what you're talking about with Gamma. Still find it out of character of Gamma though, since she is still referring to the person who looks like Annie as Zimmy, despite hiding behind the person who looks like Zimmy.
It could also be that she isn't so much slow on the uptake, but that she's able to see through the illusion, and sees people differently. After touching Jack, she was very much aware that Jack was a memory. Also, she's been pouring memories into Annie, getting inside her head, I think that would be enough to recognize that that person's brain didn't belong to Zimmy.
If I were Gamma and I had been in Zimmy's illusions and the other Birmingham world many many times, I would not find comfort in illusions, and would cling the the only real thing or person I know, or drag them, kicking and screaming to the place I want to go. However, Gamma is not violent, whereas Zimmy is violent, and persistent, and it would be hard for her to discourage Zimmy if Zimmy was truly lost in her illusion. However, with all the scary things that could happen around Zimmy, at any and all costs, I would never take comfort in a nobody, or another illusion. So, if I had Gamma's personality, I would just hide behind objects, and try and build up enough courage to get Zimmy out of there.
Now if Gamma inadvertently started turning Annie into Zimmy, that might explain away things for me, but that's a frightening stretch of the imagination.
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Jun 18, 2010 13:22:13 GMT
I think Annie is grimacing at something off to the left, left-front of her.
"Annie" starts saying "Don't" again (repeating "don't listen to him"?) when Gamma and Zimmy come in. Then she appears to look to her left. I think people are interpreting this as Annie looking back at Z&G, but she could also be looking at something to the forward-left. And Gamma grabbing Zimmy's arm could be to stop her from advancing forward, closer to the same thing that Zimmy sees.
That's my interpretation. But I must admit she has quite the Zimmy-like set of choppers in that last panel...
Prediction: Tom drags this out another couple of strips before we actually see the thing off to the left. Gaaaah!
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Post by legion on Jun 18, 2010 13:47:11 GMT
OH NO!
A SCARY FACE!
THE SCARIEST FACE!
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Post by paxjax123 on Jun 18, 2010 14:00:27 GMT
What kind of face is that, Carver? I'm seriously beginning to think that this is Zimmy and Annie's mind's smushed together and confused by the Ether and Jack. And Gamma's mind can't tell them apart so she thinks Annie is Zimmy and Annie is starting to think she's Zimmy so she got mad that Gamma grabbed Zimmy because she thought Zimmy was Annie. *takes a deep breath*
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Post by zylonbane on Jun 18, 2010 14:00:56 GMT
"You're the last one we need!" made me go back and check something. In this strip, there are 7 memories of Jack visible (1 in the front window, 6 in the side windows). Add one more, and you have 8. Spiders have 8 legs. Make of that what you will.
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Post by paxjax123 on Jun 18, 2010 14:06:58 GMT
"You're the last one we need!" made me go back and check something. In this strip, there are 7 memories of Jack visible (1 in the front window, 6 in the side windows). Add one more, and you have 8. Spiders have 8 legs. Make of that what you will. They're going to make a... GIANT SPIDER. That Annie has to fight. Action time o3o
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Jun 18, 2010 14:20:03 GMT
Let's take a poll. What Annie and the others see outside of the frame is:
1) A very large spider 2) Anthony Carver 3) Boxbot
:-)
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Post by violet on Jun 18, 2010 16:18:29 GMT
I wonder what the buzzing is. It seems to be getting louder. Perhaps a wasp has been caught in the web. (Perhaps it's just flies.)
It seems pretty likely that Annie is indeed Zimmy. Zimmy probably is, too. Different parts.
I really like how on the last page and this one, the panels have become more fragmented—more, we might say, like the spaces in a spider's web—as we've gone deeper in.
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Post by SatansBestBuddy on Jun 18, 2010 16:20:30 GMT
She has no cut on her face, so "Annie" isn't really Annie.
My guess is the real Annie is the Zimmy look-alike, since she came into this illusion looking for Jack, not Zimmy, so she found Jack first.
We'll find out when we see "Annie" attack and get easily subdued by "Zimmy."
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Post by Fen on Jun 18, 2010 16:47:19 GMT
I think all the Jacks are going to repair that shabby old building they're in. And then they'll run outside, line up, point at their handiwork and burst into a rip-roaring chorus of "THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT JACK BUILT"
I 'll go kill myself now.
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Post by damilo on Jun 18, 2010 16:57:01 GMT
I think Annie is grimacing at something off to the left, left-front of her. "Annie" starts saying "Don't" again (repeating "don't listen to him"?) when Gamma and Zimmy come in. Then she appears to look to her left. I think people are interpreting this as Annie looking back at Z&G, but she could also be looking at something to the forward-left. And Gamma grabbing Zimmy's arm could be to stop her from advancing forward, closer to the same thing that Zimmy sees. That's my interpretation. But I must admit she has quite the Zimmy-like set of choppers in that last panel... Prediction: Tom drags this out another couple of strips before we actually see the thing off to the left. Gaaaah! From her body position in the last panel, I'm pretty certain she's looking back at Zimmy and Gamma and is grimacing because of Gamme clutching Zimmy's arm. And I still don't think that Annie is Zimmy.
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Post by Dvandaemon on Jun 18, 2010 17:04:23 GMT
Notice how the panels are starting to break down too
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Post by violet on Jun 18, 2010 17:14:53 GMT
And I still don't think that Annie is Zimmy. I might regret asking this, but… what do you think is going on with maybe!Annie, then? (Assuming “is” includes “has personality fragments of” and so forth.)
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Post by four on Jun 18, 2010 17:26:28 GMT
If you count the title page, there are currently 18 pages in this chapter. We've still got a ways to go before things start making sense again. Perhaps even longer if there's a Spring Heeled Jack Part 3 involved in this...
Perhaps everybody is everybody? (somebody put Zimmy, Annie, and Gamma into a blender and divided the result into thirds) As to Jack, I think that there are no memories involved in this and it's just portions of Jack's etheric self. Sane!Jack is the only unaffected part left, and he's losing. If you will, Sane!Jack is the last shred of humanity he has. Meanwhile, Spider!Jacks are the "infected" part. Since the Power Station trip to Birminghell, the Spider!Jacks have been taking over. I'm guessing that they were about evenly matched around Residential. The only part of that that I dislike is that it completely excuses Jack's actions in Part One (dead robot, Reynard trap, flying away with a look that rivals Rey's growl at Jack that one time). It's just too easy. I'm more confident in my assessment of Jack than of the rest, though.
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Post by cheddarius on Jun 18, 2010 17:58:39 GMT
This comic is suddenly terrifying.
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Post by dietcokeslamma on Jun 18, 2010 18:27:47 GMT
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this already, but who we see as Zimmy can't be the real Zimmy. When "Gamma" and "Annie" found them, the memory Jack said "will they disappear if you touch them too?" but as we know from previous trips to Zimmingham, Zimmy needs someone to clear the nobodies for her: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=461. Whether it's really Annie, Gamma, or someone else we can't say for sure (yet), but it cannot be Zimmy
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Post by alexscott on Jun 18, 2010 18:29:38 GMT
Yeah, I'm done guessing on this. Whatever Tom comes up with is bound to be better than what I can pick out of the air. At this point, I'm prepared to believe that Annie, Zimmy, and Gamma are Huey, Dewey, and Louie, Jack is Cloud Strife, Jones is Brock Samson in disguise, and they're all headed to the Velvet Room so they can make Personas.
Although I will observe that Annie's face in the last panel seemed very reminiscent of the face she made when Gamma gopped the fake Kat.
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Post by swordfish on Jun 18, 2010 18:31:40 GMT
I just noticed that "Annie"s hair is starting to look more like Zimmy's.
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Post by cannedbreadmaker on Jun 18, 2010 18:41:52 GMT
Annie doesn't like it when Gamma clings to Zimmy!
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Jun 18, 2010 18:42:38 GMT
Hey, I got it! Annie has bent down and is ducking under that big mass of spiderwebs separating her from the Jacks!
Notice how the web is over her head in the last panel. Lord knows I would grimace if I had to duck under some nasty webs like that.
I think she is trying to stay ahead of Zimmy and Gamma. She says "don't..." as they come in, stopping because she's not the passive type to wait around for them to come stop her.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 18, 2010 18:57:40 GMT
Notice how the panels are starting to break down too Good call! The degradation started with the last panel of Wednesday's strip (#735). Interesting to note that the borders also got all wonky right when Annie opened the door in #729. They've been straight the whole time between.
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Post by dawngazer on Jun 18, 2010 19:00:09 GMT
I happen to think there's at least something off with 'Zimmy' though I can't say exactly what. It seems Zimmy missed her characteristic drawl, and seems strangely quiet. This could just be reading to much into it *Muses*.
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Post by the bandit on Jun 18, 2010 19:06:14 GMT
I'm going to make absolutely no further attempt to figure out what is going on until Tom stops writing "buzz" and variants thereof. Dude, I so welcome you to the forum. everyone assumes SpiderJack is evil. maybe he's just horribly misunderstood. "C'mon Jack... you're the last one we need! .... we can finally get our Spider rugby team started!" Ha ha! All a part of the plan.
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Post by Rex on Jun 18, 2010 19:16:19 GMT
I happen to think there's at least something off with 'Zimmy' though I can't say exactly what. It seems Zimmy missed her characteristic drawl, and seems strangely quiet. This could just be reading to much into it *Muses*. Nah, several others have caught that. It goes hand in hand with the mounting discrepancies in "Annie's" character and the whole switcheroo in general. The post about the spider having 7 Jacks, and this one being the 8th is very eerie and does not bode well for any of our heroes. Maybe we're going to get a Voltron spider scene? Maybe the degradation of the panels is another visual means of Tom showing us the illusion is wearing off of the participants?
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Post by damilo on Jun 18, 2010 19:44:42 GMT
And I still don't think that Annie is Zimmy. I might regret asking this, but… what do you think is going on with maybe!Annie, then? (Assuming “is” includes “has personality fragments of” and so forth.) It's obvious that Annie has quite a few Zimmy traits, but she still has a lot of Annie traits too. Therefore, it doesn't really make sense for Annie to just be Zimmy with an identity crisis. My best guess is that her personality somehow merged with Zimmy's for some reason, but that doesn't explain everything, like the missing scar. I, like everyone else, have no idea what's going on, so anything could happen, but my gut is telling me that it's not as simple as Annie is Zimmy.
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Post by four on Jun 18, 2010 19:49:13 GMT
I just noticed something else about the page... Spiders are coming out of a crack in the wall behind 'Annie' in the fourth panel. In the fifth, something's creeping down. This means that one interpretation of the last panel is that the spiders get to play with a new host.
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Post by Ruushi on Jun 18, 2010 21:27:46 GMT
Either the Annie is Zimmy is true Or Annie's become a VAMPIRE
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Post by basser on Jun 18, 2010 21:40:03 GMT
Sorry, sorry, I just need to clear my throat here for a second...
*ahem*
TOLD YOU!!!!! ;D
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Post by mojojojo on Jun 18, 2010 21:53:47 GMT
I might regret asking this, but… what do you think is going on with maybe!Annie, then? (Assuming “is” includes “has personality fragments of” and so forth.) It's obvious that Annie has quite a few Zimmy traits, but she still has a lot of Annie traits too. Therefore, it doesn't really make sense for Annie to just be Zimmy with an identity crisis. My best guess is that her personality somehow merged with Zimmy's for some reason, but that doesn't explain everything, like the missing scar.
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Post by todd on Jun 18, 2010 22:04:23 GMT
Maybe it's the same kind of infection (well, not quite the same - the details are different, but it probably differs from one individual to the next) that Jack got during his first visit there (though that doesn't explain why Annie didn't get it in Chapter Nineteen).
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