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Post by cheddarius on Jun 11, 2010 7:00:30 GMT
[733]Well, that explains everything perfectly.
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Post by preus on Jun 11, 2010 7:01:31 GMT
Heh. I posted the second of four topics for this page.
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Post by Snes on Jun 11, 2010 7:02:48 GMT
Wow, I came in third out of four topics. Man were we ever eager to get this page up.
Dang that was creepy. The page, not the topic-posting.
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Post by preus on Jun 11, 2010 7:03:02 GMT
I haven't read been to this site since the chapter began. I came back on Wednesday and read the whole thing then.
I shouldn't have doubted Tom. This has been one of the most enthralling chapters so far.
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Post by hal9000 on Jun 11, 2010 7:03:09 GMT
HOLY SHIT  Jack's evil dark-side twin! |
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Post by amanmademonster on Jun 11, 2010 7:05:20 GMT
Ana's eyes are going Zimmyish, or Zimmy's eyes are going less Anaish... or Ana needs to ease off the mascara
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Post by preus on Jun 11, 2010 7:05:36 GMT
Nah, man. That's the real Jack. The non-creepy one is just a memory of him that's been hanging around Zimmingham since chapter 19.
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Post by Fen on Jun 11, 2010 7:05:54 GMT
Well gosh golly, that was triple creepy.
Also what's with the continual 'buzz'ing? I keep thinking flies in spider webs.
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Post by Casey on Jun 11, 2010 7:06:27 GMT
Cheddarius, in the future, if you're going to Bogart the posting of a new thread by pre-writing it, please be aware that it's customary to title the thread with a line from the comic. Not that there's any reward for being the one starting the thread or anything, but it does sort of cheese me off when I put in the effort to title the thread appropriately, make a relevant comment in the body, and then submit it, instead of throwing something generic up there to beat everyone else and then editing it. I should probably quit bitching though because I'm very tired and should go to bed.
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Post by mariposa on Jun 11, 2010 7:07:15 GMT
I actually was sort of expecting something like that, but it still kind of scared the crap out of me.
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Post by Snes on Jun 11, 2010 7:07:48 GMT
Cheddarius, in the future, if you're going to Bogart the posting of a new thread by pre-writing it, please be aware that it's customary to title the thread with a line from the comic. Not that there's any reward for being the one starting the thread or anything, but it does sort of cheese me off when I put in the effort to title the thread appropriately, make a relevant comment in the body, and then submit it, instead of throwing something generic up there to beat everyone else and then editing it. I should probably quit bitching though because I'm very tired and should go to bed. Annie does shout "Jack!" in panel seven. It's not the most descriptive line, but it is from the page. |
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Post by Necropaxx on Jun 11, 2010 7:09:16 GMT
The fifth panel just screams awesome. I am reminded why I bought the books (as if I needed reminding, but still. AWESOME.)
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Post by Casey on Jun 11, 2010 7:10:40 GMT
Annie does shout "Jack!" in panel seven. It's not the most descriptive line, but it is from the page. Oh dang, you're right of course. I really should go to bed... |
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Post by cheddarius on Jun 11, 2010 7:13:08 GMT
Actually, I did not edit it to make it appropriate. That is what I originally posted. The edit was because I made a typo and put "Jack." instead of "Jack!"
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Post by Max on Jun 11, 2010 7:13:33 GMT
You know, I wonder if Tom is trying to suggest that what Annie feels is akin to being "buzzed," aka slightly drunk. The only think I can think to support this theory is that those little white circles above Annie's head are used in Questionable Content to suggest the same thing. Completely off-the-wall?
Alternatively, they are equivalent to his uncommented pages
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Post by eightyfour on Jun 11, 2010 7:14:02 GMT
Ahahah! Don't you just love it how Tom gets us all spinning the wildest theories as to who is who and what is going on, and then it turns out everybody was exactly who they were supposed to be? ;D
Also: Annie to the rescue! *cue Indiana Jones theme music*
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Post by judgedeadd on Jun 11, 2010 7:14:38 GMT
Theory:
After being sucked into Zim City, Jack somehow got "split" - an important part of his person peeled off him and stayed in Zim City (it's the "memory"). The remaining, crippled Jack realized that he was missing something and that he could retrieve it from Zimmingham.
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Post by King Mir on Jun 11, 2010 7:18:07 GMT
So much going on, so many new questions, in so few panels. . . each row of the comic by itself would be worth 4 pages of discussion. This will be a long thread.
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Post by drakebloodiv on Jun 11, 2010 7:20:40 GMT
Or, possibly, Zimmingham is an etheric world that literally gives representation to the feelings and thoughts we have. Jack, as we all know, was kind of screwed over in Zimmingham last time, and the way he said things on the boat made things seem almost PTSD-like. Lots of folks who go through things like that report a loss of innocence, anger, moodiness and feelings of helplessness. The good Jack seems almost like an innocent version of him, where the bad Jack, being metaphorically and literally 'touched by Zimmingham', is his anger at being helpless in a serious situation.
...or maybe it's a magic spider doppleganger, we'll just have to chop down these epileptic trees as time passes.
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Post by legion on Jun 11, 2010 7:36:43 GMT
inb4 someone else does it:  So it *was* a trap, but not toward Zimmy, instead… wait what? |
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Post by lucifiel on Jun 11, 2010 8:09:56 GMT
Creepy... the "evil Jack" looks like he's completely gone. I'm hoping Jack will turn out okay.  |
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Post by Rex on Jun 11, 2010 8:26:41 GMT
Wow, this was pretty freaky. Especially Spider Jack, who looks like we finally went off the deep end. From the looks of this it seems like everyone who suspected the real Jack got left behind were right.
That said, is Annie crying out for Chapter 19 Jack or the Spider Jack that grabbed him?
Also, that spider is HUGE now.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Jun 11, 2010 8:55:21 GMT
...exactly who they were supposed to be? Where do you get that from?
I think this page actually boosts the argument that "Annie" is really Zimmy. She reacts forcefully and instinctively to jealously separate Gamma from other human contact while her surface as Annie doesn't even know why she acted like that. Annie memories but Zimmy instincts.
I think this also fits my theory that Jack's memory is the thing that still is stuck in Zimmingham since back his first entry. The new element is that it seems much less time has passed for him (a few hours perhaps) than in the outside world.
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Post by foresterr on Jun 11, 2010 8:57:56 GMT
Wow, everything is clear now. Not.
The action of Annie in panel 1 is very Zimmy-ish... seriously, can you imagine Annie pushing people around like that? Putting their arm in a lock and their face to the curb, perhaps, but still not in an angry way.
Then again, if Annie was Zimmy, then for her to cry out Jack's name in panel 7 hardly seems like her. Does Zimmy even know his name?
Maybe everybody we see is who we see them as, but, internally, Zimmy started thinking she was Annie (hence different manner of speaking and perhaps the ability to gop nobodies), and Annie - that she was Zimmy... and the place being what it is, their perceptions could influence what others were seeing. Maybe even they weren't only perceptions, but some of the actual Annie seeping eterically into Zimmy and vice versa?
But this doesn't really sound plausible... the switch from a POV narration to omniscient narration required by this would be, I think, unusual. Besides, Gamma should be the one to look right through the Zimmingham deceptions, and it was she in the first place who called Annie Zimmy...
I'm really looking forward to the resolution of this.
Also, can't sleep, Spider Jack will eat me.
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Post by pennyanna on Jun 11, 2010 9:07:24 GMT
Well gosh golly, that was triple creepy. Also what's with the continual 'buzz'ing? I keep thinking flies in spider webs. I've been wondering the same thing, only I thought more of Zimmy's static. Though maybe it's meant to be evocative of both? |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jun 11, 2010 9:36:13 GMT
I continue to be hopelessly confused, and the story continues to be awesome regardless.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 11, 2010 10:12:41 GMT
theories: A lot of Annie's "Zimmyness" can probably be attributed to the fact that 1) she's been awake for who knows how long, and normal people act drowsy, confused or grumpy or all of the above when sleep-deprived 2) she's been hanging out with Gamma, who's been "chattering" at her constantly [because she thought Annie was Zimmy, and the only way that Zimmy and Gamma can communicate is through thought ] and maybe 3) some attribute of Zimmy-ham which drains Annie of her "Annie-ness" EDIT: I mean, look at her here. She obviously wasn't turning into Zimmy then.Jack obviously left a bit of himself behind in Zimmy-ham during the "Power Station" episode. We've been led to believe that Jack would attack Zimmy, but he must have needed Zimmy's help (creating Zimmy-ham) to retrieve his better half. Now we have a pair of Jacks (one evil spider controlled Jack, and one "Jack from the past"). I hope Jack knows how to "pull himself together", because that seems to be what all of this is pointing towards. Whatever the resolution, this has been a magnificent trolling expedition on Tea-San's part. |
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Post by todd on Jun 11, 2010 10:35:50 GMT
I think this page actually boosts the argument that "Annie" is really Zimmy. She reacts forcefully and instinctively to jealously separate Gamma from other human contact while her surface as Annie doesn't even know why she acted like that. Annie memories but Zimmy instincts. I still have a big problem with that theory; it rests on the argument that Tom has suddenly changed the chapter, halfway through, from being about Annie having to stop Jack to being about Zimmy having an identity crisis, in an out-of-left-field manner. I think that Annie's actions could be explained by all the weirdness that she's already been through, without needing to resort to a bizarre point-of-view shift. |
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Post by ondredea on Jun 11, 2010 10:56:52 GMT
No speculation for me today, but I love the contrast between Good Jack and Spider Jack. It really shows how much the spider has changed him.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Jun 11, 2010 11:21:20 GMT
All of Zimmingham and indeed almost all of the Zimmy chapters seem to concern identity and existential issues.
In "Dobranoc, Gamma", we first saw Zimmy confuse unreality with reality and memory with actual happening ("No, it's not real, it has happened already.") Confusion of time and memory/perception.
In "Power Station", we saw a vast confusion of perception (her mind getting transported to Zimmingham while her body does not) and we saw the first elements of confusion of identity: First time we saw it we saw a Kat that wasn't really Kat, and we were told that Zimmy often can't see the faces of real people, it's sometimes hard to tell who is real and who is not.
So out of left field? I'd hardly say that. This confusion of identity has now become an aggravated version of (or a continuation of the themes in) the last Zimmy chapter. It's like we're immersed in a lake which we previously only waded in. The power station is back on now, same as it was then.
As for the point-of-view shift we are still following the character who *thinks* she is Annie. So in some sense it's still Annie's point of view.
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