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Post by Snes on Feb 24, 2010 8:00:13 GMT
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Post by edzepp on Feb 24, 2010 8:02:19 GMT
Way to totally interrupt the question with your giant teeth, Coyote.
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Post by Yin on Feb 24, 2010 8:07:18 GMT
I was reading Coyote's middle panel speech bubble, and first I mapped the three ways left-to-right, but then I got confused because surely 'the way he truly is' refers to the Ys in the middle, and then I thought it was left, right, middle, but then I confused myself again and now I can't figure out which way is which Ys. *facepalm*
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Post by dietcokeslamma on Feb 24, 2010 8:09:51 GMT
"I will give you a gift!" This will totally be good, and absolutely not bad in the least. Also, TEEEEEETH!!!!!
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Post by gaia on Feb 24, 2010 8:10:22 GMT
I would say that tree!Ys is how others see him, trembly!Ys is how he sees himself, and blinkerstone!Ys is the real one.
But that's mostly because blinker!Ys is so pretty.
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Post by eightyfour on Feb 24, 2010 8:10:29 GMT
... and now I can't figure out which way is which Ys. *facepalm* Others see him as the creepy tree-thing. He sees himself as the pathetic, shriveled weakling. He truly is beautiful. However, I'm well aware that the last two are open to interpretation and that quite a few people will probably disagree with me.
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Post by jimbobbowilly on Feb 24, 2010 8:10:37 GMT
Just like a real ":V"
Only with teeth.
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Post by books83 on Feb 24, 2010 8:15:15 GMT
I was reading Coyote's middle panel speech bubble, and first I mapped the three ways left-to-right, but then I got confused because surely 'the way he truly is' refers to the Ys in the middle, and then I thought it was left, right, middle, but then I confused myself again and now I can't figure out which way is which Ys. *facepalm* All three they are just different aspects of Ys
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Post by edzepp on Feb 24, 2010 8:15:57 GMT
I went from right to left. Now I'M confused. Which I assume is kind of the point. There's no doubt how others see him.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 24, 2010 8:17:25 GMT
I was reading Coyote's middle panel speech bubble, and first I mapped the three ways left-to-right, but then I got confused because surely 'the way he truly is' refers to the Ys in the middle, and then I thought it was left, right, middle, but then I confused myself again and now I can't figure out which way is which Ys. *facepalm* I'm guessing that the Coyote's Ysengrins run right to left in panel 3. Others see him as the wolf-tree warrior, he sees himself as the weakened and chafed figure in the middle, and his etheric self is Ysengrin's true form. Any alternate theories or thoughts, anyone?
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Post by Ignotus Somnium on Feb 24, 2010 8:30:01 GMT
I think it's all of the above and none of the above.
The "forms" are just images, nothing more. They are all how others see him. The real Ysengrin was the glimpse she caught when he told her not to apologize--the intelligent General, not just a soldier or Coyote's lackey.
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Post by Pig_catapult on Feb 24, 2010 8:36:44 GMT
Those TEETH. . .
They will be in my nightmares tonight.
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Post by sostorm on Feb 24, 2010 8:38:11 GMT
I think the point to the forms is that he's all that and in order to understand him you have to understand all the different parts. That being said, one of the reasons why he is so angry and sensitive toward others could be that he sees himself as weak.
I do however think that the point is that it's all a mix. She has seen his three true forms but there is nothing being said about them being fixed all the time. Perception is changeable.
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Post by King Mir on Feb 24, 2010 8:38:47 GMT
I think it's all of the above and none of the above. The "forms" are just images, nothing more. They are all how others see him. The real Ysengrin was the glimpse she caught when he told her not to apologize--the intelligent General, not just a soldier or Coyote's lackey. And what did she see of how he sees himself by your analysis?
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Post by sostorm on Feb 24, 2010 8:38:49 GMT
Also: Gift? This can never be good. And it's not like she can refuse him.
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Post by Ignotus Somnium on Feb 24, 2010 8:51:54 GMT
And what did she see of how he sees himself by your analysis? Ha, good point. Sostorm said it better than I did. He probably sees himself as weak and possibly even controlled by Coyote, becoming more dependent on him the more the "gift" harms his physical body. Not the most definitive analysis, true, but if there's any single theme in Gunnerkrigg it is that appearances are deceiving. So I don't think any of those versions of Ysengrin that they showed are his "true" self.
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Post by mike on Feb 24, 2010 8:55:04 GMT
It occurs to me that perhaps Annie saw a 4th Ysengrin-- the one that told her not to apologize for something she didn't do. Not sure if Coyote is aware of that Ysengrin.
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Feb 24, 2010 8:59:07 GMT
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Post by Deca on Feb 24, 2010 10:31:59 GMT
I was reading Coyote's middle panel speech bubble, and first I mapped the three ways left-to-right, but then I got confused because surely 'the way he truly is' refers to the Ys in the middle, and then I thought it was left, right, middle, but then I confused myself again and now I can't figure out which way is which Ys. *facepalm* I think that's the point. It's supposed to confuse us. It sure confused Annie. Coyote's little tricks with his neck never fail to amuse me. Also, am I the only person loving the way Annie's face is drawn in the second to last panel? Since I have now gotten all my sane thoughts about this comic written down I might as well move to my others. HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP! HIS TEETH BURNS!!!
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Post by nijimei on Feb 24, 2010 11:18:54 GMT
There's Mort when you need him! Major kudos Also, I would say that definitely Ether-Ysenny is "real" Ysenny, considering that the Ether is sort of the soul-world (at least that's how I think of it) of sorts. Consider that everything "dead" (Reynardine's body, Annie's clothes) is gray in the Ether.
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Post by foresterr on Feb 24, 2010 11:21:38 GMT
Toothsome! Someone better make that last panel into an avatar quick. (Hm. Delurking after over a year for saying just that feels kind of silly.)
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Post by digikitty on Feb 24, 2010 11:26:40 GMT
I hope Annie would have the sense not to accept a gift from Coyote, his gifts have a tendency not to work out as planned.
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Post by Mishmash on Feb 24, 2010 11:40:54 GMT
See I thought Coyote was describing Tree-Ysengrin and the way others see him, Etheric-Ysengrin the way he sees himself and Weak-Ysengrin the way he truly is. I'm not saying this is correct, I just think that is probably Coyote's interpretation and what he meant when he said it.
I think Annie will come to a different conclusion as to what the "real" Ysengrin is.
Also, can't wait to find out what this gift is and what awful trouble it causes.
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Post by legion on Feb 24, 2010 12:19:02 GMT
Pannel 2: heck of a flexible neck
Pannel 5: oh a gift from Coyote, cool, that means the chapter will go on for at least a few more page mayb---OH MY GOD MOUTHFUL OF BIG NASTY POINTY TEETH.
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Post by darklao on Feb 24, 2010 12:38:12 GMT
cf. 680
if the "real" Reynard is in the court, rather than in his body, then the way Ysengrim "truly is" is probably not his body, either.
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Post by edzepp on Feb 24, 2010 13:03:39 GMT
Truly, those are some ultra fine and also triple sharp teeth.
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Post by blastdragon on Feb 24, 2010 13:08:29 GMT
I think that the "real" Ysengrin the ether-one is. The way he sees himself is the weak naked one and others see hem as the "dangerous" tree-wolf. But the way that others see him is a mask because he is afraid what happens if people know what (he thinks) he really is. That is why he is so angry. That is also the reason he was so mad that Annie saw him. He thinks that he is ugly and weak and is afraid to show his real self, the caring Ysengrin that Annie saw for a moment.
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Post by optern on Feb 24, 2010 13:25:17 GMT
Blastdragon shares my perspective to a large extent, but I do think the "real" Ysengrin can be thought of as a mesh of the three--for we are all a combination of what others think of us, what we think of ourselves, and what we are.
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Post by eslultimatum on Feb 24, 2010 13:31:38 GMT
Or, it could be that everyone sees him as the strong, towering tree Ysengrin. He sees himself as the ethereal Ysengrin because he has upheld an image of strength and intimidation for so long that he is very prideful about that. But the shaky, weak, empty Ysengrin is the one that he truly is. Annie could be someone to help him learn a little humility and return (assuming that's correct) to the beautiful Ysengrin that he should be.
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Post by katybee on Feb 24, 2010 13:44:29 GMT
Holy shit, teeth!!!!!!!!!
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