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Post by Mezzaphor on Feb 12, 2010 8:01:41 GMT
New page.I feel a training montage coming on.
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Post by sostorm on Feb 12, 2010 8:06:09 GMT
If she's going to mead Jeanne again I guess she has to be stronger. Jeanne could after all inflict effect Annie in that state.
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Post by Casey on Feb 12, 2010 8:07:58 GMT
I guess if you can pull a blinker stone across physical space via etheric space, why not other objects too?
Now let's have you guys start speculating on how this will turn into an important plot element later in the story.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Feb 12, 2010 8:09:55 GMT
I'm reminded of a book by C. S. Lewis, The Great Divorce. The narrator arrives from Earth at the foothills of Heaven and find that everything in Heaven is far more substantial than earthly matter. So to a person from Earth, the local apples are far too heavy to lift and too hard to eat, and it's a pain to walk anywhere because the grass cuts your feet. In fact, the narrator even tests this by trying, unsuccessfully, to pick a daisy.
Interestingly, Lewis says in the introduction that he borrowed the concept from a short story about time travel. A guy traveled into the past and found that he couldn't move any physical objects, because the past can't be changed.
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Feb 12, 2010 8:30:14 GMT
Coyote moving toward the flower reminds me of the way astral travel is described.
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Post by almoray on Feb 12, 2010 8:56:03 GMT
"Try to pick this flower... and while you're at it... Rub my belly"
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Post by Yin on Feb 12, 2010 9:26:14 GMT
>_o Ow, Coyote gets more and more dizzying with each page.
Pull, Annie! Pull with all your might and you might budge an atom of it!
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Post by Deca on Feb 12, 2010 11:41:14 GMT
It has to be said that Coyote is looking pretty terrifying here.
The trick of being able to move stuff while in the ether would be pretty neat actually. She'd be able to move stuff in locations far away from her physical body. It's the perfect alibi.
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Post by Hezor on Feb 12, 2010 12:00:41 GMT
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Post by La Goon on Feb 12, 2010 12:07:27 GMT
Is the flower actually standing in the physical world? We are seeing it colour - not black and white. That seams to suggest, that it's part of the etherium. Also - the way it stands there in the middle of a neatly trimmed lawn somehow seams too "dream like" to be in the physical plane. Those square panels are very untypical for the etherium, though. Could it be a kind of "simulation" that Coyote has created for this purpose? To me right now that seams like the most plausible explanation. So - when/if Annie succeeds in picking the flower, will she move it from the "simulation" to the "real etherium" or even to the physical plane? I guess the next few pages will show us that Also - does anyone know what kind of flower it is? Wouldn't surprise me if there's a load of symbolism in that. edit: Coud be a viola. Hmm...
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Post by rebecca on Feb 12, 2010 12:56:29 GMT
I think her cut is bleeding again, in the top panel.
I also like the way her hair doesn't flow together today, and Coyote fills the space more and more with each page.
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Post by optern on Feb 12, 2010 13:21:24 GMT
This would be an incredible and terrible power.
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Post by Casey on Feb 12, 2010 14:46:28 GMT
Well, yes, but in that particular case, the god is her dad.
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Post by fjodor on Feb 12, 2010 15:13:40 GMT
Would teaching Annie this trick count as a gift from Coyote, and if so, will Annie remember that Coyote's gifts are not perfect?
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Post by the bandit on Feb 12, 2010 15:40:40 GMT
Now let's have you guys start speculating on how this will turn into an important plot element later in the story. Don't chum the waters.
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Post by linnabean on Feb 12, 2010 15:44:45 GMT
I'm reminded of a book by C. S. Lewis, The Great Divorce. Look that book. love pretty much anything by C. S. Lewis, for that matter. Is the flower actually standing in the physical world? We are seeing it colour - not black and white. That seams to suggest, that it's part of the etherium. Also - the way it stands there in the middle of a neatly trimmed lawn somehow seams too "dream like" to be in the physical plane. Those square panels are very untypical for the etherium, though. Could it be a kind of "simulation" that Coyote has created for this purpose? To me right now that seams like the most plausible explanation. My first thought was that the flower was a simulation as well. Now, I'm not so sure. It could be a real flower in the forest outside of the etheric plain... I'm just not sure how Annie could see it as it's pictured though. Welp, I think I'll stick with simulation for now. edit: Would teaching Annie this trick count as a gift from Coyote, and if so, will Annie remember that Coyote's gifts are not perfect? Good point! I sure hope so, if it is indeed a "gift." Somehow, I don't think it qualifies. Coyote is teaching Annie an ability, not giving it to her.
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Post by karakai on Feb 12, 2010 16:51:09 GMT
Her Herbalism skill is at 1. Takes a few tries to pick that flower
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Post by Per on Feb 12, 2010 17:12:08 GMT
The chapter will end with Annie short-circuiting Kat's brain using the trick learned off-panel. First the moon, then picking flowers with your BRAIN!
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Post by cannedbreadmaker on Feb 12, 2010 17:28:42 GMT
Could it be a kind of "simulation" that Coyote has created for this purpose? To me right now that seams like the most plausible explanation. No, the most plausible explanation is that it is actually a real flower. Plants are obviously alive and in the aetherium all the time. ( www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=680 Tree above Reynardine's body) When Annie picks that flower, it'll die, turn grey and DEAD and we'll meet the plant guide, who is a druiiydddaddd. P.S. Plants being in the aetherium explains all of the pretty lights that Antimony saw while looking into the horizon towards Gilltie Forest while learning how to use the blinker stone in Gunnerkrigg Court with Anja.
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Post by King Mir on Feb 12, 2010 17:57:03 GMT
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Post by xanbcoo on Feb 12, 2010 18:15:58 GMT
Yeah, but those are all court plants. This chapter has made it clear that anything from the court, organic or not, appears gray in the ether.
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Post by djublonskopf on Feb 12, 2010 18:49:42 GMT
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Post by cortin on Feb 12, 2010 19:08:06 GMT
So now Annie begins to learn some terrifying skills of gardening of her own..
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Post by legion on Feb 12, 2010 20:18:37 GMT
Of all things, this reminds me of the movie "Ghost", directed by Jerry Zucker.
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Post by rosewind26 on Feb 12, 2010 21:12:13 GMT
maybe she should try with a penny
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Post by the bandit on Feb 12, 2010 21:40:45 GMT
This chapter has made it clear that anything from the court, organic or not, appears gray in the ether. Yes, grey and lifeless, like the "Next Comic" button pointing forward to pages Tom has not yet released. So now Annie begins to learn some terrifying skills of gardening of her own.. Win.
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Post by therocksayz on Feb 12, 2010 22:12:32 GMT
Now let's have you guys start speculating on how this will turn into an important plot element later in the story. Don't chum the waters. It seems pretty obvious to me this skill would be put to use somehow in extracting Jeanne from (between ether and reality?)
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Post by chiparoo on Feb 12, 2010 22:31:51 GMT
Is the flower actually standing in the physical world? We are seeing it colour - not black and white. That seams to suggest, that it's part of the etherium. Also - the way it stands there in the middle of a neatly trimmed lawn somehow seams too "dream like" to be in the physical plane. Those square panels are very untypical for the etherium, though. So - when/if Annie succeeds in picking the flower, will she move it from the "simulation" to the "real etherium" or even to the physical plane? This is what I have been thinking about alot today. You guys have heard me before, praising Tom on his ability to design well-flowing pages without panels. What he does today, though, is mix the style of panel-less pages and panels together, which serves to communicate what's going on here SO WELL. So, whenever Annie enters the etherium, Tom draws the experience with no panels. This has been true since the first time Annie has done so. ( here and here!) Actions taking place in the physical world are bound in panels. So, today, when coyote asks annie to pick the flower, this flower is presented to us within a panel! Annie, outside of a panel and thus in the etherium, reaches into a panel ( into the physical world) to show us she cannot touch it. When she is in the etherium, she cannot interact with things in the physical world. This simple in-panel/out-of-panel interaction tells us so much! Something else I've noticed. Juxaposed panels communicate the passage of time- put two panels together, and it feels that the first is one moment and the second is the next moment. Tom's panel-less pages convey a a sort of suspension of time to me. The last few panels of today's comic, the repeating panel of the flower, really strongly communicates that time is passing. I predict that the events in Monday's comic will take place at some point much later. I find this whole page absolutely breathtaking from a design and storytelling perspective. P.S. I've only just noticed that on this page Anja has crazy hair in the etherium, too! XD
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Post by violet on Feb 12, 2010 23:38:49 GMT
Well, yes, but in that particular case, the god is her dad. Did Tom say that? “Old man” could imply that she's talking about her dad, but it could also imply that she's talking about Merlin.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Feb 13, 2010 0:20:36 GMT
Well, yes, but in that particular case, the god is her dad. Did Tom say that? “Old man” could imply that she's talking about her dad, but it could also imply that she's talking about Merlin. Tom said that she's Brynhildr and the old man is Odin. Whether or not Odin is Brynhildr's father depends on which version of the story one is following.
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