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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Feb 1, 2010 8:01:13 GMT
Oh wow.This is... Wow. This is getting darker by the second.
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Post by Trism on Feb 1, 2010 8:01:37 GMT
INTRIGUE.
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Post by Trism on Feb 1, 2010 8:02:16 GMT
Also: a beautiful page.
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Post by Casey on Feb 1, 2010 8:06:43 GMT
I like the way the body is represented as the swirl at the base of the tree on the previous page. No one wondered aloud what that swirl was... we must all be really slacking in the speculation department. Still, it's touching that Coyote has done this. Maybe he feels bad for giving Reynardine a gimpy ability. But really, I wonder: why is he telling Annie about this now? What's his motivation?
Who here thinks that some time before all is said and done, we'll see Reynardine return to his original body? Annie would have to give him permission, of course. This could be a very dramatic future moment in the making/foreshadowing.
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Post by edzepp on Feb 1, 2010 8:10:58 GMT
'Forever Young and Healthy'? It's like Coyote is TRYING to send Ysengrim over the edge.
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Post by fjodor on Feb 1, 2010 8:12:46 GMT
dawwwww.....
That was my first reaction. Not so sure if it's meant to be so cute though.
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Feb 1, 2010 8:13:34 GMT
I think Reynardine would keep the body Surma made for him. He uses it quite a bit for artistic effect.
At least, I wouldn't give it up. The artistic effect can be pretty useful.
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Post by Rasselas on Feb 1, 2010 8:27:07 GMT
Wonderful juxtapositions. This chapter is all about bodies.
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Post by Aurelia Verity on Feb 1, 2010 8:31:20 GMT
what will annie do with this info i wonder?
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Post by Loki on Feb 1, 2010 8:38:09 GMT
'Forever Young and Healthy'? It's like Coyote is TRYING to send Ysengrim over the edge. That's what I was thinking too. I actually kinda get the feeling Coyote doesn't respect Ysengrin much... But the page is beautiful. Renard's cute curled up body made me go "Awwwww" <3 |
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Post by Casey on Feb 1, 2010 8:39:21 GMT
I think Reynardine would keep the body Surma made for him. This might be nitpicking, but, Surma didn't make the doll for Reynardine. She made it for Antimony. I read somewhere that in alchemy or somesuch, the wolf is a symbol of stibium/antimony/surma/kohl/whatever. |
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Feb 1, 2010 8:52:27 GMT
Bah! Nitpicking!
I think my wording may have come from Reynardine's feelings for Surma.
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Post by Yin on Feb 1, 2010 8:56:24 GMT
Holy crap, that's one nice curveball. Coyote's definitely trying to rile Ys there. The traitor, who left the woods, is being treated so much better than the faithful servant.
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 1, 2010 9:20:03 GMT
Who here thinks that some time before all is said and done, we'll see Reynardine return to his original body? Of course. Absolutely. I think that Reynard's first foreshadowing was Basil the Minotaur and it will turn out that Reynard was a victim more than a perpetrator and (some of) you 've been assuming things on based on hearsay and you never actually *saw* what happened when "that young man" was killed (by accident) and then he was tricked (by the Court) into taking Sivo. |
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Post by La Goon on Feb 1, 2010 9:32:33 GMT
I get the feeling that Coyote is bitter about Reynardine leaving the forest, and that's why he's being so rude to Ysengrin.
Also makes me wonder why Ysengrin stays loyal to Coyote. He must have a very strong motivation to put up with that treatment.
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Post by hal9000 on Feb 1, 2010 9:41:30 GMT
Coyote is such an enormous troll.
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Post by La Goon on Feb 1, 2010 9:48:09 GMT
Btw: I wonder if the resemblance to this scenery is purely coincidental. Somehow I think not... |
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Post by motbob on Feb 1, 2010 10:26:11 GMT
I interpreted the 5th panel as having two meanings. The first is the obvious contrast between the bodies of Reynardine and Ysengrin. The second is something that Antimony must be considering right now: whenever there is an offer from Coyote, there is a catch. Ysengrin is evidence of that.
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Post by CGAdam on Feb 1, 2010 10:40:39 GMT
I can't help but notice he has a very lovely purple flower behind his ear.
Do any of us here still believe in coincedence?
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Post by penguinfactory on Feb 1, 2010 10:59:49 GMT
I sense the presence of a clever ruse.
Also, Fox-Renard is adorable.
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 1, 2010 11:13:31 GMT
Cuteness is back! This is... Wow. This is getting darker by the second. Why? Did anyone ever thought Rey can fully return to his former self? I like the way the body is represented as the swirl at the base of the tree on the previous page. No one wondered aloud what that swirl was... we must all be really slacking in the speculation department. You're right. Where's the ol' good cookie-hunting spirit? Still, it's touching that Coyote has done this. Maybe he feels bad for giving Reynardine a gimpy ability. Why not? After all, he didn't like to lose such a companion. But really, I wonder: why is he telling Annie about this now? Coyote must still miss his pal, but it's not like Rey's "revival" is going to be a casual thing without any implications, so... a little sniffing, then a little test. The second is something that Antimony must be considering right now: whenever there is an offer from Coyote, there is a catch. Ysengrin is evidence of that. And it may mean that Reynardine will be less than enthusiastic himself. Especially given he already was more interested in humans, now he has a decent disguise and despite his generally bad situation Surma's daughter seems to be the most interesting thing for him right now anyway. Not only Coyote's unreliable, but are such creatures supposed to age at all? |
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Post by boris on Feb 1, 2010 11:28:41 GMT
Hi to all. This page made me register an account so I could throw my thoughts into the pool. They're a bit jumbled and all over the place so my apologies for that.
The way Coyote has presented himself throughout this chapter has been very sinister. Today's page is very dark, both in the way it is drawn and the meaning it is trying to convey. I think we're going to be shown a very different side of Coyote in this chapter. The whole contrast between the light surrounding Reynard and the darkness all around Coyote is unnerving to say the least. The way he is glaring at Annie... he just seems quite dangerous all of a sudden. It's almost like the real trickster has revealed himself.
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Post by todd on Feb 1, 2010 11:37:49 GMT
I like the way the body is represented as the swirl at the base of the tree on the previous page. No one wondered aloud what that swirl was... we must all be really slacking in the speculation department. Or maybe we all missed it because there was so much else on that page. I've suspected for a long while that one of the reasons for Coyote inviting Annie into Gillitie Woods (probably the main reason) was as part of a plan to get Reynardine to return to the forest, and this page strengthens that suspicion all the more. (Despite all the talk about how dark this page was, Renard's body looked peaceful to me.) |
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Post by Ulysses on Feb 1, 2010 11:42:23 GMT
No one wondered aloud what that swirl was... Some kind of mystic entrance into the tree? Like in Star Wars ;D  Yes I did! I never saw this coming though. But...didn't Tom once say that Reynardine's body died once he left it? If he went back to it would he be dependent on Coyote to keep his body "young and healthy"? |
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Post by sanguine on Feb 1, 2010 13:43:28 GMT
No one wondered aloud what that swirl was... Some kind of mystic entrance into the tree? Like in Star Wars ;D Yes I did! I never saw this coming though. But...didn't Tom once say that Reynardine's body died once he left it? If he went back to it would he be dependent on Coyote to keep his body "young and healthy"? The same principle as Annie owning the doll? Is Coyote trying to apply what he learned from Annie and Rey's doll-to-owner dynamic? Damn, that was very keen of you. Good speculation. (Edited.) |
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Post by troll on Feb 1, 2010 14:09:12 GMT
"Keeping Coyote out" is looking to be a worthier cause by the page. Insidious friend, and "friend" is the best case. Time to reassess Young?
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Post by Flux on Feb 1, 2010 14:31:14 GMT
Yes I did! I never saw this coming though. But...didn't Tom once say that Reynardine's body died once he left it? If he went back to it would he be dependent on Coyote to keep his body "young and healthy"? It was never said Raynard's body would die. The gift was imperfect and the host would die. I interpreted the 5th panel as having two meanings. The first is the obvious contrast between the bodies of Reynardine and Ysengrin. The second is something that Antimony must be considering right now: whenever there is an offer from Coyote, there is a catch. Ysengrin is evidence of that. When I saw panel 5, I thougt Annie is feeling sorry for Ysengrim again. |
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Post by cathect on Feb 1, 2010 14:36:41 GMT
This page is sinisterly beautiful. Coyote keeping Renard's body "young and healthy" was simultaneously sweet and stalkerish. (Maybe not the right word.) I also ended up feeling sorry for Ysengrim, because Coyote treats him like he's not there.
However, I think there's a reason for it. Tom's already informed us that part, if not all, of the reason Coyote likes Antimony is because she's not afraid to brush him off. Maybe it's like that with Reynardine. After all, Renard refused all of Coyote's gifts until he met Surma. Then, after he and Coyote meet again for the first time in years he refuses to return to the forest with him. Partially from circumstances and partially by choice. Ysengrin, on the other hand, accepts Coyote's gifts the instant they're offered, and, as far as I've seen, never disagrees or ignores Coyote. It's like wanting what you can't have. If Reynard were to suddenly start acting like Ysengrim, then Coyote would quickly find him boring and would treat him and Ysengrim alike and find something else to entertain himself. It's a theory.
This post is really long and I'm not sure if I explained my point clearly enough, but hopefully you all will get the gist of it.
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Post by La Goon on Feb 1, 2010 15:32:28 GMT
@ LanturtheMarlfox: Yeah, that does make sense. Before reading your post I was thinking somewhat along the same lines: When Coyote first came to Europe, he was primairly looking for Raynardine as a fellow trickster. I don't think he ever bothered much about Ysie. Then, when Reynardine ran off to the Court and got caught there, Coyote had lost his "playmate" and was stuck with Ysengrin who takes everything way too seriously and generally behaves like a grumpy old man (Coyote repeatedly referring to him as "old"). I think a major part of Coyote's dislike of Ysengrin simply is that he's not Reynardine. |
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Post by karakai on Feb 1, 2010 15:54:16 GMT
Goodness, it's been a long time since I posted in here!
This is definitely a "too good to be true" scenario with reynard's body (as obscenely cute as it is!), and I kinda hope Annie doesn't act on it. I'm sure Coyote had to use magic (didn't Reynard eat in his old body?), so there should automatically be a red flag going up the size of a 4th of July fireworks display. :]
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Yes I did! I never saw this coming though.
