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Post by Casey on Jan 13, 2010 8:04:46 GMT
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Post by edzepp on Jan 13, 2010 8:09:12 GMT
Humor AND intrigue. That's really all I need to have a good day.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 13, 2010 8:14:08 GMT
Panel 2: That's a very interesting choice of form to shapeshift into, Coyote.
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Post by jon77 on Jan 13, 2010 8:14:08 GMT
I love how Coyote's smile takes up the whole right side of the last panel.
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Post by Nicer Atom on Jan 13, 2010 8:18:35 GMT
Is it just me, or does Annie just seem more at ease when she's in the forest?
Hey, maybe we'll get to see what kind of half-tree, half-wolf abomination Grinnie is under his robe. Or his terrifying skills of gardening.
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Post by yazzydream on Jan 13, 2010 9:01:07 GMT
I love Annie and Cayote's relationship. She's so relaxed around him, I bet many would be very nervous and stiff, no wonder he likes Annie.
Ah, I bet what we see of Ysengrin will be terrifying. Hahaha.
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Post by mudmaniac on Jan 13, 2010 9:05:25 GMT
Is it just me, or does Annie just seem more at ease when she's in the forest? Hey, maybe we'll get to see what kind of half-tree, half-wolf abomination Grinnie is under his robe. Or his terrifying skills of gardening. I somehow have this image of a dog on a tricycle with this shoulder assembly of wooden arms.
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Post by haggidubious on Jan 13, 2010 9:19:05 GMT
Coyote is so charming! And yes, it does seem like Annie's more relaxed with him. I just can't wait to find out what he knows about Jeanne and that nasty business...
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Post by fjodor on Jan 13, 2010 9:23:10 GMT
Panel 2: That's a very interesting choice of form to shapeshift into, Coyote. I was thinking exactly the same thing. I was expecting an apple tree somewhere in the next few frames. Strange that Coyote would let Annie spy on Ysengrin. I feel a trick coming up.
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Post by Ulysses on Jan 13, 2010 10:36:32 GMT
What's going on here, eh? Maybe Ysengrin has to absorb water once a month to keep his limbs looking their best. He's going to bathe in the pond, we'll get to see what he looks like under the robe! Maybe.
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Post by preus on Jan 13, 2010 13:31:47 GMT
Be vewy vewy quiet. I'm hunting wolf twees.
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Post by squidlet on Jan 13, 2010 14:16:38 GMT
I can see this ending up with a very angry Ysengrin.
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Post by lkm on Jan 13, 2010 14:17:08 GMT
I'd guess one of the reasons Annie seems at ease with Coyote is that he's one of the few people she meets who doesn't lie (although no promises about omitted information), with another being the fact that while she's perfectly at ease with him, the reverse is also true. I don't think it's as bad as Jack claimed in Residential, but her peers do seem a little lost as to what to talk to her about. It's probably nice to have someone willing to talk to her at her own level.
Plus, Coyote's awesome.
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Post by Midnight Meadows on Jan 13, 2010 14:25:07 GMT
Coyote's face in panel 4 is THE BEST.
Makes me laugh right along with him.
Hoping Ysengrin hasn't become Perma-Tree'd or something like that (i.e. he just stands there doing nothing because the poor bloke can't move anymore).
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Post by Snes on Jan 13, 2010 17:20:19 GMT
Now what's old Wolf-Face doing? Can't wait to see what's up!
Coyote is, as always, awesome.
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Post by todd on Jan 13, 2010 23:15:20 GMT
I don't think it's as bad as Jack claimed in Residential, but her peers do seem a little lost as to what to talk to her about. Not surprising, since Annie's unusual childhood at Good Hope has rendered her unfamiliar with the things that most kids that age are into (such as video games, pop music, movies, etc.). Even Kat, despite being Annie's best friend, probably welcomed the opportunity to finally have someone (in the form of Alistair) to discuss those with.
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Post by lkm on Jan 14, 2010 2:21:32 GMT
Not surprising, since Annie's unusual childhood at Good Hope has rendered her unfamiliar with the things that most kids that age are into (such as video games, pop music, movies, etc.). Even Kat, despite being Annie's best friend, probably welcomed the opportunity to finally have someone (in the form of Alistair) to discuss those with. Another factor is her status at the court (real or imagined); Parley's already displayed annoyance with the assumption Annie is de facto medium-in-waiting, and while I doubt her exploits are known to most of her classmates she does keep getting called out by teachers, showing up with weird artifacts, and have a giant wolf jump in front of her at seemingly random moments. I suspect this presents mixed signals. Plus, with her background Annie's probably had as much if not more facetime with supernatural being as she has with regular people (or at least young and healthy ones), so beings like Coyote are practically normal to her. (I'm going to concentrate on this aspect of the page in a bid to distract myself from imagining Ysengrim as a flasher.)
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Post by Tierra Y Libertad on Jan 14, 2010 4:21:08 GMT
lkm -- Stop those filthy thoughts!
They seem oddly familiar for a "third date".
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Post by strangethoughts on Jan 14, 2010 6:57:57 GMT
Ysengrin is about to do ballet in a clearing!
...Oh come on it's something that coyote wants to share it's going to be amusing in some way.
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Post by todd on Jan 14, 2010 11:51:23 GMT
Another factor is her status at the court (real or imagined); Parley's already displayed annoyance with the assumption Annie is de facto medium-in-waiting, I've sometimes wondered whether some of Parley's annoyance might stem from a feeling that Annie's getting away with things too easily - her meddling causes a diplomatic crisis between the Court and the Wood, leading to Ysengrin and Coyote showing up to lodge a complaint (or Ysengrin, at least - Coyote's more there to have fun), followed by Annie slapping Coyote when he sticks his nose up her skirt, thus provoking a berserk rage from Ysengrin - and the school's response is to invite Annie to take medium classes rather than to punish her for her act. (She got punished for going out onto the bridge, of course - but not for slapping Coyote.) Parley might be seeing Annie as getting favored treatment (and knowing her, is probably jealous).
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Post by lkm on Jan 14, 2010 15:48:43 GMT
I've sometimes wondered whether some of Parley's annoyance might stem from a feeling that Annie's getting away with things too easily - her meddling causes a diplomatic crisis between the Court and the Wood, leading to Ysengrin and Coyote showing up to lodge a complaint (or Ysengrin, at least - Coyote's more there to have fun), followed by Annie slapping Coyote when he sticks his nose up her skirt, thus provoking a berserk rage from Ysengrin - and the school's response is to invite Annie to take medium classes rather than to punish her for her act. (She got punished for going out onto the bridge, of course - but not for slapping Coyote.) Parley might be seeing Annie as getting favored treatment (and knowing her, is probably jealous). In all honesty, Annie is getting favored treatment -- just being Surma's daughter has given her plenty of automatic leeway with Eglamore and Kat's parents, even Reynardine and Coyote. This isn't Annie's fault, and she's certainly got a number of qualifications that make her appropriate to the job (her natural sensitivity and "attractiveness", as Mort put it), but it's basically fast-tracked her to a position in the Court, and being a couple years younger than Parley probably isn't helping. To Annie's credit, the constant comparisons to her mother are getting to her rather than opening up an urge to exploit them, but still, it's probably a relief to get away from that atmosphere. lkm -- Stop those filthy thoughts! I can't help it. I blame Ysengrim's all-concealing trenchcoat. They seem oddly familiar for a "third date". Considering the first time they met Coyote's nose went up her skirt, I'd say they've actually slowed down.
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Post by Casey on Jan 14, 2010 17:01:19 GMT
I've sometimes wondered whether some of Parley's annoyance might stem from a feeling that Annie's getting away with things too easily - her meddling causes a diplomatic crisis between the Court and the Wood, leading to Ysengrin and Coyote showing up to lodge a complaint (or Ysengrin, at least - Coyote's more there to have fun), followed by Annie slapping Coyote when he sticks his nose up her skirt, thus provoking a berserk rage from Ysengrin - and the school's response is to invite Annie to take medium classes rather than to punish her for her act. (She got punished for going out onto the bridge, of course - but not for slapping Coyote.) Parley might be seeing Annie as getting favored treatment (and knowing her, is probably jealous). I think Parley's annoyance, if one wants to call it that, stems from the fact that she wants to be special, because she's surrounded by kids that are special, and her father was special, and (until the bed incident) showed no signs of being special herself. I'd be willing to bet that her attitude will be different now that her specialness has manifested. I don't think it had anything to do with Annie per se, other than that Annie was indeed very special and she wasn't. Also... I kind of have to take issue with some of these characterizations of Annie. The actions that started the primary chain of modern events in the story were not meddling, they were two acts of compassion. Annie wanted to help Shadow2 get home, and she wanted to give Robot free choice. I'm not sure how those acts could be viewed as meddling, especially when she was completely oblivious to their ramifications, having just arrived at the school. And then you say that Annie was the one that provoked the situation at the meeting by spanking Coyote... that seems rather like looking for things to blame the poor girl for. Coyote was the one who provoked that situation, intentionally. He tried to provoke Eglamore too, with comments about Surma, and Annie's parentage. He's a trickster god, he wanted some chaos... and Ysengrin wanted an excuse to surreptitiously drop the seeds. Blaming Annie for the incident, then, seems far off base to me. I don't think that Annie has done anything for which she should have been punished and wasn't. Even when she did break the rules by leaving the Court grounds, it was again out of compassion and concern, and she weighed the consequences and took her appropriate punishment. But to characterize her as a hellion and troublemaker who gets rewarded where she should be punished is, in my opinion, grossly unfair and off-base.
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Post by the bandit on Jan 14, 2010 18:01:43 GMT
Casey, you do a fantastic job of defending Annie but a terrible job of seeing how those events look differently to someone not beholden to Annie or the reader's view. Parley wasn't there to see why Annie sent a robot into the forest; she doesn't know the details you do.
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Post by Mylian on Jan 14, 2010 18:49:46 GMT
I'd guess one of the reasons Annie seems at ease with Coyote is that he's one of the few people she meets who doesn't lie (although no promises about omitted information), with another being the fact that while she's perfectly at ease with him, the reverse is also true. I don't think it's as bad as Jack claimed in Residential, but her peers do seem a little lost as to what to talk to her about. It's probably nice to have someone willing to talk to her at her own level. Plus, Coyote's awesome. Omission isn't the only way to color the truth. After all, Obi-Wan was perfectly truthful when he said Vader killed Luke's father.
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Post by lkm on Jan 14, 2010 19:30:29 GMT
Omission isn't the only way to color the truth. After all, Obi-Wan was perfectly truthful when he said Vader killed Luke's father. It's true, but Annie knows -- and Coyote is quite upfront about -- that he is a trickster god. He's pretty much right what it says on the tin, and I think that knowledge is beneficial. It may not help when you're sorting out the facts, but at least you know where you stand with the guy. {confesses to enjoying Revenge of the Sith solely because of how retroactively heinous it makes Obi-Wan's hedging in the orginal trilogy. Bitter much, Emotionally Tranquil Jedi Master?}
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Post by Casey on Jan 14, 2010 19:40:02 GMT
Casey, you do a fantastic job of defending Annie but a terrible job of seeing how those events look differently to someone not beholden to Annie or the reader's view. Parley wasn't there to see why Annie sent a robot into the forest; she doesn't know the details you do. Ah, well if we're speaking in terms solely of Parley's perspective, then, and not making a statement of one's own perspective (as I had gathered that Todd was), then I would have to bring up the point that Parley wouldn't know anything about having sent Shadow2 and Robot over the bridge in the first place, and therefore that can't be used as part of an argument for her perspective. Recall that when Robot came back over and Eglamore called Annie into his office to give her detention, she didn't even admit to him that she knew anything about why Robot was in the forest to begin with. No one knows other than Annie, Kat, Rey, Robot, and Shadow2. So if we're speaking only about Parley's perspective, then the whole original argument to which I responded has to be tossed out as well.
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Post by the bandit on Jan 14, 2010 22:48:35 GMT
Except you're the one who brought in Robot & Shadow2. All todd said was that "her meddling caused a diplomatic crisis," which is pretty much exactly how Parley described it, albeit one order of magnitude lower on the formality.
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Post by Casey on Jan 14, 2010 23:00:26 GMT
Except you're the one who brought in Robot & Shadow2. All todd said was that "her meddling caused a diplomatic crisis," which is pretty much exactly how Parley described it, albeit one order of magnitude lower on the formality. ... all that says is that Parley knows Annie was on the bridge and fell off. How does one go from that, to the idea that Annie was "meddling" and caused a "diplomatic crisis"? On the contrary, Ysengrin himself says that when they'd heard that someone from the Court had fallen to their death, he was content to forget about the whole thing. And none of this, by the way, addresses my counter-argument that Parley is really motivated by trying to be special, and resents any form of interference, to wit: the entire beginning of chapter 23.
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 14, 2010 23:40:46 GMT
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I was expecting an apple tree somewhere in the next few frames. Yeah, i almost see him narrating this one - "...and of course then i got bored and botched everything for laughs... again. Ar! ay! ee! ayay!" ;D Strange that Coyote would let Annie spy on Ysengrin. I feel a trick coming up. My cookie sense is tingling!
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Post by todd on Jan 14, 2010 23:48:58 GMT
Parley views Annie's trying to cross the bridge and falling off as the cause of the trouble.
But I do want to point out that I was imagining how Parley saw Annie's role in events, rather than describing it (I certainly don't think that "meddling" is a good term for her actions).
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