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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Dec 9, 2009 8:02:22 GMT
That smilie is, BTW, a link.
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Post by edzepp on Dec 9, 2009 8:03:21 GMT
I think I can see where this is headed, and I don't like it. "Traitor". Man, that sounds eerily familiar.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 9, 2009 8:08:37 GMT
That's some throw. She'd be a great addition to the Court's cricket team.
Anyway, this does help us narrow down who "he" could be. It would be someone originally from the Court, so their siding with the Wood seemed like a betrayal.
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Post by Rasselas on Dec 9, 2009 8:43:26 GMT
So, most likely, it's not Sir Young. Now is he still a human, just one who decided to stay on the other side? Or did he already have to give up his body for it? The story is probably even more interesting, I can't wait.
Congratulations to all who've guessed right or near enough.
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Post by Pig_catapult on Dec 9, 2009 8:48:45 GMT
Uh-oh. I smell a murder plot rising.
Or bread rising. They smell pretty similar.
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Post by wynne on Dec 9, 2009 8:49:15 GMT
Diego must have picked the poor little cambot up at some point and put him together again. He's a tough little fella.
I predict that Jeanne's boy is either a shadow man or someone we haven't heard of yet.
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Post by gaia on Dec 9, 2009 9:00:45 GMT
Other theory: from the fact that Cambot just got bounced off a wall and the last panel, this is where the tape ends.
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Post by Snes on Dec 9, 2009 9:04:38 GMT
According to a free online translator, Jeanne's French exclamation means "I detest you!" which you probably could have guessed already.
There are two ways Diego's comments at the end could be taken. The first, as several have already guessed, implies that devious action will be taken in response to the mentioned offense ("Laugh at me, will they?").
The second reflects a sad moment of revelation that shows a past reluctance to face the truth. My money's on the first.
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Post by Rasselas on Dec 9, 2009 9:08:49 GMT
It's also interesting to note (what many have noted in the previous pages but it culminates here), that Jeanne didn't just dislike Diego for being a puny, leetle man. She detested him for what he represented, the side of the Court that is obsessed with robots and scientific progress, rejecting everything that is of the Forest/etheric side. This could actually be what eventually shapes her into becoming the first Medium.
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Post by wynne on Dec 9, 2009 9:19:28 GMT
Or, alternatively, what eventually leads to her death, the tests on both sides of the waters, and the building of the bridge. As well as Jeanne getting stuck. Though I suppose it could be additionally.
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Post by meghatron on Dec 9, 2009 9:20:45 GMT
Oh Diego, I kind of wanted to give you a chance at the beginning of this mess but you're coming off as a blatant red-flag-waving 'Nice Guy'. No sir, I don't like it. And it gives me the heebie jeebies.
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Post by senchasan on Dec 9, 2009 9:58:55 GMT
According to a free online translator, Jeanne's French exclamation means "I detest you!" which you probably could have guessed already. I thought it was 'I hate you?' Translation aside, harsh. I hope that this isn't the murder scene.
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Post by rallan on Dec 9, 2009 10:08:20 GMT
Well poop, that's me and my Jeanne/Ysengrin theory right out the window.
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Post by sostorm on Dec 9, 2009 10:45:09 GMT
Well, from speaking french I would say it's most definitely: I hate you.
Online translators tends to be confused when there exists a similarity between words.
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Post by elycium on Dec 9, 2009 11:20:12 GMT
my murder-sense is tingling... So Jeanne's love must have remained behind in the forest. No wonder she's so sad.
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Post by Yin on Dec 9, 2009 11:41:57 GMT
'Detest' and 'hate' are similar in meaning, so it doesn't make much difference.
Jeanne was stuck on this side when Coyote created the divide. How? Why?
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Post by eightyfour on Dec 9, 2009 12:05:55 GMT
That's some awesome perspective work there in the first three panels!
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 9, 2009 12:24:33 GMT
Jeanne was stuck on this side when Coyote created the divide. How? Why? I would guess that Jeanne was unaware that her love had chosen the Woods. Or that Jeanne really does believe in the Court's vision, even if she rejects some of its excesses.
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Post by Alex on Dec 9, 2009 12:43:38 GMT
According to a free online translator, Jeanne's French exclamation means "I detest you!" which you probably could have guessed already. "I hate you" is a better translation, actually. edit: ah, this has already been covered
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Post by Alex on Dec 9, 2009 12:46:39 GMT
I'm going back to my Sir Young = Ysengrim theory, actually. "Ysengrin is not Sir Young. Sir Young was there when the bismuth seed was planted. Yssy arrived later, together with Coyote and Reynardine." That was the objection to it in the last thread, but thinking about it again that's actually consistent with the theory, and consistent with Diego thinking Sir Young a traitor.
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Post by rye on Dec 9, 2009 13:00:17 GMT
Okay, here´s my theorie. I say that Jeanne didn´t love neither Diego nor Sir Young but another man. But he was a "traitor" and at the other side while she still was (against her will?) at the court. I think that both (Jeanne and her lover) made a plan to bring her over the river to th forest, but Sir Young did get a hint (from Diego) that will happen. Sir Young as the protector of the court killed Jeanne and her lover. It was what Diego didn´t planed, maybe he made a pact that only the traitor should die, so that Jeanne can finally forget him and so he could have her. But something didn´t go as planed and Jeanne did, Diego is blaming Sir Young but also himself, those he created the tombe and the robots with this act. I got this one cause of this page: I think so cause the cows don´t cut the grass there, to make sure that the monument of the one who killed Jeanne will never be seen. They hate Sir Young as much as they love Jeanne. What do you think about this one?
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Post by sostorm on Dec 9, 2009 13:05:05 GMT
I think so cause the cows don´t cut the grass there, to make sure that the monument of the one who killed Jeanne will never be seen. They hate Sir Young as much as they love Jeanne. What do you think about this one? Well the monument is still over Sir Youngs Orjak and not Sir Young himself. So by that logic it would be the Orjak that killed Jeanne. Unless the hatred of Sir Young transcends. My bad, my memory tricked me.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 9, 2009 13:40:00 GMT
I'm going back to my Sir Young = Ysengrim theory, actually. "Ysengrin is not Sir Young. Sir Young was there when the bismuth seed was planted. Yssy arrived later, together with Coyote and Reynardine." That was the objection to it in the last thread, but thinking about it again that's actually consistent with the theory, and consistent with Diego thinking Sir Young a traitor. Ysengrin was an acquaintance of Reynardine before Coyote even came to the British Isles. This is what he looked like.
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Post by Seth Thresher on Dec 9, 2009 14:19:14 GMT
Ohh maaaaan.
This is some serious business. Ima sit back and watch what King of the Whiteboards has to say about this...
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Post by Casey on Dec 9, 2009 14:23:58 GMT
Well the monument is still over Sir Youngs Orjak and not Sir Young himself. What? Where'd you gather that? Anyway guys, just because Diego thinks Person Of Mystery is a "traitor" does NOT mean that said person is in the forest, from the forest, was once a forest creature, or is now a forest creature. It just means that Diego thinks of said person as being a traitor to what -Diego- thinks is important. And we already know that Diego approves of the removal of ALL traces of the forest from the Court side. And we also already know that there's a mini-Forest on the Court side, with Young's name on it. Logically then, it could simply be that Young does not wholly reject the Forest, and that alone could be seen by Diego as "traitorous" to what Diego thinks is best for the Court. Given that the Forest hates technology so much, it would not surprise me to learn that it was largely Diego's doings that prompted the need for the split between the Forest and the Court to begin with. Diego's contempt may have necessitated the split between the two sides, but it would be a mistake for us to think that every human was happy with that split. In fact we don't even know if the majority of humans wanted it that way. Young, and many others too, conceivably, might be really ticked off that someone (Diego) has done things to cause them to be separated from the very Forest that they came to seeking refuge in the first place. So if everyone else from the initial group (Young, Steadman the Archer, the Artilleryman, etc) all wanted to be in the Forest, but then Diego did some crap with technology that got them all booted off the Island so to speak, then everyone would think Diego was the traitor... but from Diego's perspective, everyone who didn't agree with HIM is a traitor. Short version: In Diego's mind, all that would be required for someone to be considered a traitor is for them not to agree with Diego. (As a predictive side note, I think it would be pretty easy for Diego to conclude in the next page that Jeanne is, therefore, a traitor too, and must be dealt with accordingly.)
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Post by wanderer on Dec 9, 2009 14:45:22 GMT
I'm seeing Diego going crazy stalker here. "How dare she love someone else and not me. I'll kill her!" Especially with added elements of that someone else being someone Diego has reason to dislike already.
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Post by Casey on Dec 9, 2009 14:48:19 GMT
Diego is going to conclude that the only way to make Jeanne love him is to turn her into a robot. So he's going to build an android woman and put Jeanne's life force into it, which is going to cause her soul to be released. The soul is going to flee towards the Forest and end up down in the ravine, and the android (I guess technically that would be a gynoid) will have its memory wiped and from then on be known as "Jones".
JUST YOU WAIT!
(P.S. this is meant to be tongue-in-cheek.)
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Dec 9, 2009 14:55:36 GMT
Yeah, he pretty much had the crazy stalker thing going from the minute the main characters discovered his secret underground lair with robot versions of everyone he knew who acted out a play in which he took vicarious revenge on the person he believed was responsible for the death of the woman he was obsessed with to the point of making an actual honest-to-god shrine to her. But he hasn't been helping his case in this flashback.
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Post by crysiana on Dec 9, 2009 15:01:16 GMT
Given that the Forest hates technology so much, it would not surprise me to learn that it was largely Diego's doings that prompted the need for the split between the Forest and the Court to begin with. Diego's contempt may have necessitated the split between the two sides, but it would be a mistake for us to think that every human was happy with that split. In fact we don't even know if the majority of humans wanted it that way. Young, and many others too, conceivably, might be really ticked off that someone (Diego) has done things to cause them to be separated from the very Forest that they came to seeking refuge in the first place. So if everyone else from the initial group (Young, Steadman the Archer, the Artilleryman, etc) all wanted to be in the Forest, but then Diego did some crap with technology that got them all booted off the Island so to speak, then everyone would think Diego was the traitor... but from Diego's perspective, everyone who didn't agree with HIM is a traitor. While this is certainly possible that the initial group may have felt that way, Diego at least would have to have a decently-sized group who agrees with him - in 652, Jeanne comments, "We have been busy cutting down all the trees on our side." It's indicated as a collective action. Clearly not everyone in the Court agrees with the action, but it's probably supported by a plurality of the population if it's being done. I think it's an interesting idea though; Diego does seem obsessed with making his devices, and I could easily see his seriously offending Coyote with his manner.
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Post by dragonsong12 on Dec 9, 2009 15:02:49 GMT
Well the monument is still over Sir Youngs Orjak and not Sir Young himself. So by that logic it would be the Orjak that killed Jeanne. Unless the hatred of Sir Young transcends. It transcends. They don't like Eglamore, either.
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