ecomono
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Post by ecomono on Nov 6, 2009 8:18:24 GMT
Huh.So apparently the robots have really taken this Jeanne thing and run with it.
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Post by yazzydream on Nov 6, 2009 8:32:10 GMT
I already wrote this under the comments but I'll repost it here.
That poor "monster" is also a robot, so I'm thinking it must have been terribly lonely, if all robots have that same inherit love for Jeanne. Instead it's getting outcasted by others because it represents whatever it was that killed Jeanne.
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aijuan
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Post by aijuan on Nov 6, 2009 8:38:15 GMT
Or, considering the fight was coreographed, the monster could just've been a pre-programmed automaton.
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Post by bisected8 on Nov 6, 2009 8:40:31 GMT
Will Sky Wtacher be able to make it down that corridor? Only time will tell...
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Post by tsthogua on Nov 6, 2009 9:10:00 GMT
ug. i'm going to have to start reading this once a week. the three panels a week bit is killing me.
fantastic comic though.
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Post by Azeltir on Nov 6, 2009 9:36:27 GMT
Ground indeed. Perhaps holy ground? Where all the electricity will go.
Ben
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Post by penguinfactory on Nov 6, 2009 9:53:09 GMT
I like the electric incense sticks.
Anyone know what that symbol means?
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Post by agasa on Nov 6, 2009 10:03:39 GMT
My turn to answer, as an engineer. It means "electrical ground"; that is, a point in a circuit conventionally assumed to be at zero potential; can also be called neutral potential node (at least in italy). EDIT: I just now realized that people did read "Ground." and thought about the fact that they're underground or something like that, while i immediately thought of the symbol. I feel nerdish.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Nov 6, 2009 10:12:35 GMT
It's now more than mere devotion or even reverence. It has become a full-fledged religion with a mythology (angels and demons), symbols (the "ground" symbol) and rituals (the pilgrimage).
If this is because of a mere portrait, what will happen if Jeanne's spirit itself (aka Ghosty McStabbity) actually makes an appearance to the robots?
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Post by rallan on Nov 6, 2009 10:21:13 GMT
And for those of us in countries which still use the Queen's English, substitute "earth" for "ground".
Most folks will be familiar with it as that mysterious third prong on the plugs of electrical appliances. It doesn't connect up to the live circuit that powers the device, it just runs off to the ground wire, so that if an appliance shorts while you're using it it'll earth through that wire instead of through you.
Oh and getting onto the symbolism, I assume this means one of two things
- they think Jeanne is responsible for their being made in the first place, and they see her as a Creator / Earth Mother figure
- Jeanne is what allowed them to to overcome some sort of limitation so they could experience and communicate with the world, making her a sort of (formerly) living conduit with the Earth. Jeanne as a medium for robots perhaps?
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Post by judgedeadd on Nov 6, 2009 11:05:47 GMT
Will Sky Wtacher be able to make it down that corridor? Only time will tell... I, too, wonder if he'll be able to get past the rolling boulders, the collapsing floor and the undead, axe-wielding guardians!
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Post by Yin on Nov 6, 2009 11:23:29 GMT
Damn. It's a friggin' *temple* now.
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Post by digikitty on Nov 6, 2009 11:38:33 GMT
its gotta make you wonder, just what the rest of the court would think if they found out that the robots now have a religion of sorts, centering around a person on whom all information has been lost/deliberately hidden.
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Post by Robo Alchemist on Nov 6, 2009 11:45:25 GMT
I don't think the robots are forming their own religion out of Jeane, only paying whatever link they have to her in their intelligence.
Also, I really like Tom's display of how even a simple "scientific" symbol like ground can be shown as death. I'm imagining the vertical line to be a downward arrow to the ground/earth. of course if it was put in another kind of mood, it could also represent resurrection as there's no arrow tip to say which way it's going.
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Post by Per on Nov 6, 2009 12:18:48 GMT
Maybe they fitted the corridor with microwave emitters so that only the worthy shall pass.
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Post by King Mir on Nov 6, 2009 12:25:13 GMT
It makes so much sense that the robots would associate the one thing they revere with ground. It's a source or sink of current, and the one reference potential that they all agree on.
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Nov 6, 2009 12:53:26 GMT
I find it fascinating that it now resembles a Shinto shrine. I guess it makes sense that robots would be into animism.
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Post by fuzzyone on Nov 6, 2009 13:44:29 GMT
Perhaps, and this is in full Wildspec mode here, Jeanne was the first to treat a robot as a being, instead of a tool. Perhaps She, like Annie, gave some of the first court robots a choice, and thus awakened in them the potential to do more than just carry out their tasks... perhaps SHE was what made the Court Robots Conscious.
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Post by wanderer on Nov 6, 2009 14:16:22 GMT
Someone's REALLY building up the level of mysticism in this whole Jeanne thing. A bit too much, really.
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Post by Ptollu Vux on Nov 6, 2009 14:21:34 GMT
Second panel, all the way on the right.
Boxbot.
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Post by Casey on Nov 6, 2009 14:32:05 GMT
As long as we're speculating on the true nature of the connection between Jeanne and the robots, I think this is as good a place as any to link again to my completely wild and slightly tongue-in-cheek Wild Speculation post about the past and future of GC.
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Post by Casey on Nov 6, 2009 14:37:34 GMT
By the way, here's another detail that I noticed in the last week, but it really stood out for me today. In today's comic, look at the shape of Robot's hand in the last panel. Do hands like that, perhaps, look just a little familiar? Think about this... as awesome as Robot's new body is, is it possible that he *shudder* has some terrible in him??
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Post by the bandit on Nov 6, 2009 14:52:53 GMT
Gunnerkrigg Court is so awesome.
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Post by Per on Nov 6, 2009 14:53:59 GMT
Second panel, all the way on the right. Boxbot.I don't know, looks more like a simple toy wagon bot to me.
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Post by Amethyst on Nov 6, 2009 16:34:16 GMT
"What's inside?" "Only what you take with you."
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Post by Snes on Nov 6, 2009 16:36:16 GMT
I'm rather ashamed I didn't get the "ground" reference, especially since I've taken a Physics class that included circuitry.
Another great page, Tom! Keep it up!
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Post by walter on Nov 6, 2009 16:41:37 GMT
On the whole robot worship of Jeanne thing, I've got some questions.
First off, my current working knowledge is that back in the day Diego built the court robots. He programmed them to regret Jeanne's death and worship her. He also programmed them to hate Young, so presumably either Young was Jeanne's actual love interest (or, you know, actually spoke to her, further presumption is that Diego was a love from afar sort of fellow), or let her down in some way, or even killed her.
Premise established my questions/observations are as follows:
#1: Diego worked more like Ann than Kat. His robots are built the way a wizard would build them, not an actual scientist. Kat gets upset because they don't look like they should work, and Ann is able to build Robot without any scientific knowledge. I think Diego was more of a wizard than a technician. He dressed his magic in steel and gears, but it remains etheric.
If this is the case, Diego's "programming" of his robots would have been more like instructions/geasses, and that fits what we are seeing. When reminded of Jeanne they all say the same thing, and feel the same thing, but it doesn't work like C# style programming. They also seem to have more emotions than I'd imagine an actual (technical) robot having.
#2: Why did Diego love Jeanne? It could easily be that she's just pretty and he built her up in his mind without ever speaking to her, but there might be more to it than that. I could easily see her as an acquaintance or friend, perahps the only girl he interacted with? It'd fit. Perhaps she was also robot minded? I'm trying to build towards Kat as modern Jeanne rather than modern Diego, but evidence is thin on the ground.
EDIT: Also, boxbot is TERRIBLE. Does it love Jeanne? I doubt the others would let it in the shrine!
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Post by judgedeadd on Nov 6, 2009 16:52:37 GMT
Huh, there's some kinda caterpillar-bot in panel two.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Nov 6, 2009 17:05:54 GMT
Welcome to the forum, Walter!
I like your theory #1 very much -- though the initial battle seemed scripted in a very mechanical way, the rest of the robotic devotion does seem to have a rather different style.
Which makes me wonder if Diego intended this devotion to pass to his robots after all, or if it was an unintentional side-effect of his meddling with the etheric.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Nov 6, 2009 17:33:40 GMT
Looking at all the robots sweeping the dirt (pretty futile act, but whatever) I wonder if Kat built them to do that, or if they're just random robots doing it out of whatever piety they feel they have towards Jeanne's portrait.
Also Robot is lookin' pretty intense in the fourth panel there.
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