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Post by King Mir on Jul 19, 2009 23:14:05 GMT
How can she feel the stare of a machine? Further there are machines all over the court, but there is no indication she can't stand most of them. If it is truly their stare that she can feel, then I cannot think of a no explanation that can be attributed to electric or mechanical technology. It is possible that they emit some sort of radiation that Zimmy is sensitive to. But otherwise I think there has to be an etheric explanation. I agree though that this is not enough to rule Anthony out completely. There are three questions I'd like to raise here: 1. Zimmy said that the ticktocks are "A thousand eyes". What significance could we attach there? 2. The ticktocks appear to keep watch over the etheric students. Would you agree? 3. Despite Zimmy's etheric qualities, she is quite... disturbed by the power station's periodic discharges. Doesn't that mean that somehow the science world (electricity or EM) can affect the etheric world, and sometimes so significantly? 1) It tells us that Zimmy and Gamma know something more about those birds then Annie. A thousand eyes is a descriptive name for a mysterious creature that seems to do nothing but watch. 2) Tictocs appear to watch over obscure parts of the school. They also saved Annie. It does not follow that they watch etheric students. 3) Yes. Which is why I said it is possible that the birds give off some radiation that Zimmy can sense. It is unlikely that such radiation would come from the eyes, but it's possible that Zimmy can sense their presence, and Gamma's statement about feeling its stare was imprecise. What I'm saying is that it is an indication that the birds might be etheric, not proof that they are. |
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Post by King Mir on Jul 19, 2009 23:41:51 GMT
Well, I was going to suggest that she was freaked out by the tic-tocs because she could clearly see them looking at her but couldn't feel a soul looking at her, possibly as an inversion of the faceless ones in her nightmarescape (but equally disturbing). A sort of spiritual motion sickness. But I can't really think of a way to link that with calling them thousand-eyes. Except Gamma said Zimmy could feel their stare. |
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Post by Rasselas on Jul 20, 2009 0:40:23 GMT
All this speculation gives me another excellent idea. Perhaps Anthony planted the birds as self-sufficient, self-replicating mecha-organisms so that he could keep an eye (ha!) on Annie while he's gone? Man I'm brilliant.
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Post by guyy on Jul 20, 2009 1:02:56 GMT
I'd guess the Tic Tocs are some sort of combination of human technology and 'etheric' effects, like Anja's computer. They're the only beings of any kind that often hang around on the bridge, the one link between the court and the forest. When buried in the ground, they start to grow slowly, like seeds. Also, Zimmy is affected by them, but she has never shown any effects from anything technological ( storms do something, but not if they're manmade). Yet we do know that they have robot-like parts from when Annie opened up a 'dead' one. Where they came from is harder to figure out...maybe they were made by a rival of Diego, who needed help from someone in the forest to make his robots work? They're made to look biological, but apparently aren't that well-constructed since they constantly make a 'tic-toc' noise. Ysengrin crushed one into dust at the mere suggestion of someone at the Court examining one; maybe he knows something about them? He did bury one in the ground, which is kind of a random thing to do to a robot bird unless he knew what would happen. |
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Post by starburst98 on Jul 20, 2009 6:47:17 GMT
wait, i got it, the next page is going to zoom in on jones and she is going to do something bizarre.
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Post by the bandit on Jul 20, 2009 14:14:40 GMT
That would be the distance of my own speculation on TicTocs. |
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Post by Ulysses on Jul 20, 2009 21:03:12 GMT
That would be the distance of my own speculation on TicTocs. This only works if Anthony pre-empted Surma's death and Annie going to GKC. The birds have been around for a lot longer than Annie has been at the Court, Anja saying "We've wanted to capture one of them for a long time" (p279), so they're certainly not a new phenomenon at the Court. |
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Post by Rasselas on Jul 21, 2009 11:24:31 GMT
It appears to me that the very fact of Annie's birth was what caused Surma's illness. So, in a way, it would be pre-empted. However, still a good point there. Annie couldn't have been the only reason for the Tic-Toc's presence. It's just the only motivation that we can currently ascribe them that would have a connection to Anthony. However, he could just as well have desired to keep an eye on the court itself while he was away. However, to me it still seems like the Tic-Tocs are a relatively new development, maybe not Annie-new but perhaps not Diego-old.
Still, if we remove that, there might be some crazy old tech-wizard behind all this. Annie and the gang will be off to see him, only to discover it's some pathetic little man hiding behind a curtain, playing with levers.
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Post by the bandit on Jul 21, 2009 19:29:23 GMT
Don't forget the gardener. He's a mysterious figure. The TicTocs are a mysterious figure. Surely, they are connected.
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Post by King Mir on Jul 23, 2009 15:06:53 GMT
I was looking over the archives and found this page where kat speculates similarly to Casey. Others have argued that this mean that the speculation is less likely to be true. On a different note, not that I want to be the one bothering Tom about this, but this thread really should be split at about post 24. Almost everything after is about tictocs and not the page. |
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Post by pepoluan on Jul 23, 2009 15:27:58 GMT
On a different note, not that I want to be the one bothering Tom about this, but this thread really should be split at about post 24. Almost everything after is about tictocs and not the page. I agree. The Tick-Tocks are a very interesting thing on itself. A separate thread will help people find this discussion. |
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Post by Casey on Jul 23, 2009 17:39:01 GMT
Every page's thread ends up having a ton of things discussed in it. You'll get used to it. There's no such thing as splitting off threads here.
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Post by pepoluan on Jul 24, 2009 16:17:28 GMT
Every page's thread ends up having a ton of things discussed in it. You'll get used to it. There's no such thing as splitting off threads here. Heheh, been reading nearly all the discussion threads, so I'm not really surprised. However, this discussion on TickTocks are very interesting. In my opinion, too interesting to be let dead as new pages are released. If there's no thread-splitting facility, perhaps we can start a new thread dedicated to the TickTocks? |
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Post by Casey on Jul 24, 2009 16:22:43 GMT
I love the Tic-Tocs so I've got no problem with having a thread specifically to discuss them!
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Post by pepoluan on Jul 24, 2009 16:27:13 GMT
I love the Tic-Tocs so I've got no problem with having a thread specifically to discuss them! Okay, I'll start one, then. Edit: The Tick-Tocks thread is open. . |
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Post by ablemcman on Jul 27, 2009 19:02:29 GMT
Hmm... I don't know if my earlier comment got into the forum, but I think Jones might be on the other end of the spectrum. I think that she may possibly be Muut. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=277This is just speculation but look at how they refer to Muut Possessing an amazing poker face, and then the action shifts to Jones... Ominous? Yes.. Baseless, possibly. |
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Post by Quotidian on Aug 23, 2009 22:48:23 GMT
I'm watching the similarity between Jones dipassionate mien and Annie's father's lack of empathy for his friends or even his own daughter. Likewise Jones was content assaulting Annie's feeling to test her character regardless of effect.
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