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Post by Yin on Jun 24, 2009 7:00:44 GMT
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Post by popo on Jun 24, 2009 7:06:04 GMT
man that chin in panel 4
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Post by Casey on Jun 24, 2009 7:08:13 GMT
If I didn't know better, I'd say the guys in the fourth panel look kind of like the relatives of the Headmaster, Diego, and Eglamore respectively.
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Post by strainofthought on Jun 24, 2009 7:21:15 GMT
I see a young Diego as well. The guy in the trenchcoat appears big enough to be the hypothetical character I call "Bully", who would have been the model for the Bullfighting Robot and the large human figure in Coyote's stylized depiction of the division of the Court and Wood. Now that I look closer, the large figure in Coyote's magic painting thing has a mark on his chest which I thought looked like some kind of sword before but could very likely be the button flap on a trench coat. I also see a figure who matches well with the soldier in the black hat in today's comic. I'm looking for conspicuous matches among the animals but I'm not seeing anything other than the fact that both contain a horse and a stag. I wonder what their names are?
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Post by Nicer Atom on Jun 24, 2009 7:46:35 GMT
There's also a short human farther to the right in Coyote's depiction that could easily represent the man in the middle (Diego?). It even has big circles for eyes to represent his glasses.
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Post by strainofthought on Jun 24, 2009 7:57:24 GMT
Well, yeah, Diego is in the painting too of course. He was the only figure that could be clearly identified the first time we saw it- it's got his schnozz and everything.But I'm actually posting this because I just realized that if Diego and Bully were present at the time of the Court's founding, then that means Jeanne is probably somewhere in the back there! Here's hoping we see her! I am a fan of Jeanne's. (Jeanne!)
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Post by Count Casimir on Jun 24, 2009 8:03:32 GMT
I'll second strain o' thought on that. Jeanne is almost as Totally Awesome as Jones.
In other news, perhaps it's the lighting, but tricorner hat man looks rather unhealthy. Speaking of the light, we still don't know quite what it is, unless I'm forgetting something.
Also Rey become Wolf Rey without us noticing. Respect for the moment, perhaps?
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Post by penguinfactory on Jun 24, 2009 9:31:22 GMT
In the next page the view will pan down to show us what they're all looking at, and it will be City Face.
Seriously though, I want to know if all that light we keep seeing is actually something plot relevant. Maybe it's Jeanne! For some reason.
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Post by bisected8 on Jun 24, 2009 10:26:43 GMT
The guy in the trenchcoat actually reminded me of Mr. Thorn. He even appears to have a beard...
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Post by todd on Jun 24, 2009 10:38:34 GMT
From Jones' words, I wonder if Coyote's "dividing the Court" might have been more than just establishing the physical boundary between Gunnerkrigg and Gillitie. It would be like him to not tell the entire story.
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Post by strainofthought on Jun 24, 2009 11:10:44 GMT
Okay, totally random thing here, started reading the archives and found this little echo. Can anyone remember if Reynardine has used this expression at any other time? In the first example he doesn't seem to have used it lightly.
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Post by bisected8 on Jun 24, 2009 11:21:40 GMT
Okay, totally random thing here, started reading the archives and found this little echo. Can anyone remember if Reynardine has used this expression at any other time? In the first example he doesn't seem to have used it lightly. Well it's hardly the kind of phrase you save for special occasions. Everyone has their own way of expressing surprise, if it hasn't been used by him since its probably just because he hasn't been.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 24, 2009 11:56:09 GMT
Interesting. Coyote doesn't seem to be present at the meeting, but one of the Glass-Eyed Men is there, suggesting that this is sometime after Coyote's arrival in the Wood.
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Post by Tom Siddell on Jun 24, 2009 12:08:06 GMT
It's just a creature with horns. I'll delete it when I get home.
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Post by Acnorn Landeth on Jun 24, 2009 12:16:13 GMT
I'm not sure if anyone has looked this up.
Bismuth chemically resembles Antimony.
Jones said the court was founded on a balance between scientific and etherical design. In Coyote's picture, the characters are standing around the symbol for Bismuth.
Alchemy is nothing more than using scientific means to discover a magical outcome (such as eternal life). Perhaps this light (represented by Bismuth) was the humans first forray into science, and the animals were appalled to see this. Whatever it is, Bismuth is seen all over in the court (as well as with Ys in the Third Treatise), the light is likely a combination of human and natural powers and sciences.
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Post by biggerj on Jun 24, 2009 13:13:02 GMT
I'm going to go into Maximum Spectulationdrive over the big guy, who, as has been previously stated, resembled the present-day Headmaster.
If the big guy is indeed the leader of the original incarnation of the Court, then he may have had a special trait that the Headmaster may have. Tom has said that it could be said that the physical and emotional state of the Headmaster could be considered to be a metaphor for the current state of the Court. If the same is true of the big guy, then... he looks, tough, bitter, and likely to get very, very angry and dangerous if gotten mad. This matches my understanding of the Court's founding. The humans came wanting to master the mystical, but when they wants reasons and answers, they got nothing but the Etherial Tenet: "It just works, now shut up." They ended up getting very angry and violent and then they founded the Court. The rest of the story isn't yet relevant to this chapter. What I'm saying is that the big guy could be construed as a metaphor for the state of the 'Court' just before the war in which it was founded.
I've just had an additional idea: could the big guy be named Gunner? Or perhaps the red-coated soldier is a gunner?
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Post by ding on Jun 24, 2009 16:39:14 GMT
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Post by Ulysses on Jun 24, 2009 16:43:58 GMT
I've just had an additional idea: could the big guy be named Gunner? Or perhaps the red-coated soldier is a gunner? I like it! I'm sure the name of the Court comes from a war of some kind, and this brilliant bit of wild speculation matches my theries. I also like your idea about Trench-Coat Guy, but I reckon Awesome-Hat Guy looks more like the Headteacher. Just personal opinion. I want to take your theory a bit further however. Rather than the Headteacher simply acting as a metaphor for the state of the Court, perhaps the Headteacher is a living embodiment of the Court, the 'spirit of the Court' in other words. Then Janet, as the daughter of the Court and therefore being connected to it somehow, shows how the Court is becoming feistier and more aggresive recently. I love absurd speculation ;D Edit: ding - It does look like the quicklime symbol, but I think it's a plant of some kind that he has pinned to his coat. No idea what the significance is, although I'm sure there is some.
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Post by bisected8 on Jun 24, 2009 17:06:31 GMT
Or maybe just a crease near the armpits of his trenchcoat.
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Post by Casey on Jun 24, 2009 17:13:23 GMT
It looks to me like wrinkles in his coat where he's closed up a tear with some Scotch tape. *shrug* Your spec about the Headmaster is interesting, but I can't help but think that it sounds very "ethereal", for the leader of the group that is anti-ethereum. Oh also, can I just say:
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Jun 24, 2009 18:06:57 GMT
Mmm, accurate predictions taste good.
So it looks like there's a bear, a fairy, a stag, and a horse present at the meeting, plus some sort of wraith creature. I'm curious to see what this is supposed to be. On the Court side we have the dude in the trenchcoat, who seems to have a lock of hair strapped to his breast. Maybe it's a family heirloom. Beside him we have what looks like a redcoat soldier, but his uniform doesn't quite look like any redcoat uniforms I've seen. If the man next to him is the leader of the Court, I'm guessing this is either his bodyguard or military adviser. Then there's that guy with the glasses in the back, who looks more like the teacher from chapter 5 than Diego to me.
I'm guessing that the glow they are crowding around is some sort of etheric energy source and they are debating how to divide it between the two groups.
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Post by truffle on Jun 24, 2009 18:07:00 GMT
That's a really awkward place for creases. It looks like some hair pinned to his jacket, like a locket necklace but not contained.
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Post by bisected8 on Jun 24, 2009 18:22:38 GMT
To be honest, the first thing I thought when I saw the man in between military guy and trench-coat man was "Kilroy is there?".
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Post by Casey on Jun 24, 2009 19:04:33 GMT
Hahaha, funny Bisected!
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Post by bisected8 on Jun 24, 2009 19:32:52 GMT
I wasn't joking, I did. It's the nose. It looks enough like it that I wouldn't be surprised if Tom was making a reference to it.
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Post by Casey on Jun 24, 2009 19:49:46 GMT
Oh I believed you. But it was still funny.
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Post by rowlock on Jun 24, 2009 19:59:23 GMT
People seem to think it's Jones talking in most of the panels, but when I first read it, it felt more like Rey continuing his train of thought to me. Did anyone else read it that way?
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Post by Casey on Jun 24, 2009 20:22:31 GMT
I understood all the dialogue on this page to be Reynardine speaking. If that's incorrect, I would need to know for the distant future time when we're recording this page for the Project.
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Post by Ulysses on Jun 24, 2009 21:06:26 GMT
It seems to be Reynardine speaking. The background colour of the bubbles is the same as in panel 2.
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Post by Per on Jun 24, 2009 21:24:14 GMT
It looks to me like wrinkles in his coat where he's closed up a tear with some Scotch tape. Donald is Scotch! The soup thickens!
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