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Post by Yin on Apr 22, 2009 7:00:31 GMT
Jinkies!The oven mitts are rather disappointing though. I also notice that the blocker bots with boxing gloves had green lights while these have red. Obvious signal of duties.
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Post by Refugee on Apr 22, 2009 7:08:22 GMT
Surma is nowhere near as reserved as her daughter.
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Post by pudgimelon on Apr 22, 2009 7:33:27 GMT
Surma is nowhere near as reserved as her daughter. Well, Annie did grow up in a hospital next to her dying mother and she did spend much of her childhood chatting with dead/dying people and their spirit guides, so she's not exactly a normal kid. Seeing Surma as a kid kind of reminds you that Annie isn't normal, and that the way Surma is in this chapter is the way that Annie should have been if she'd lead a normal childhood. That's rather sad, actually.
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Post by Rasselas on Apr 22, 2009 7:55:39 GMT
It's not necessarily so. You're leaving out the influence of her father, Anthony. He is quite reserved. Of course, Annie's childhood experiences would've had an impact. Still, from what we've seen of Anthony, it's not unlikely that she's inherited somewhat of his temperament.
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Post by chiparoo on Apr 22, 2009 8:11:34 GMT
Upon reflection, Annie's personality is a notable mix of Surma and Anthony. Tom did a super good job with creating the different faucets of Annie's personality and how their reflected in her parents.
Also, Blocker Bots ftw. I want a Blocker Bot shirt that reads "There is currently a situation!"
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Post by orpheus on Apr 22, 2009 8:31:37 GMT
You know, Annie resembles her father way more than she does her mother so I dunno what everyone means when they say Annnie looks just like Surma.
However, Kudos to Tom for drawing a vague resemblance and not relying on copying/pasting Annie's face.
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Post by warrl on Apr 22, 2009 9:25:32 GMT
Chiparoo, I want to know where that avatar comes from...
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Post by Mezzaphor on Apr 22, 2009 9:38:36 GMT
Chiparoo, I want to know where that avatar comes from... It's from a picture Tom drew for Halloween. Tom originally posted it at the bottom of page 320. You can also find it on the Art page.
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Post by mjh on Apr 22, 2009 9:49:15 GMT
Seeing Surma as a kid kind of reminds you that Annie isn't normal, and that the way Surma is in this chapter is the way that Annie should have been if she'd lead a normal childhood. On the other hand, I don’t think that Surma’s behaviour is normal (by Court standards) either. Some of the students are terrified by just the thought of “a large monster or two” and others are passively watching, but Surma is all “We have to get a better look at this!” – judging from her expression, I would assume that some situation involving large monsters was her idea of a fun day. While Annie is certainly missing Surma’s lighthearted approach, she takes monsters and other strange creatures in her stride just as fearlessly (starting with Basil in chapter 2, but even Shadow 2 from chapter 1 would probably have been enough to creep out anyone else her age).
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Post by mjh on Apr 22, 2009 10:09:26 GMT
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Post by digikitty on Apr 22, 2009 10:38:35 GMT
I don't think you're giving Annie enough credit. I'm pretty sure that if she saw a huge tree-creature charging through the court, she'd definitely go and investigate. She's been shown to do so before, with Reynardine, Robot, ect.
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Post by chiparoo on Apr 22, 2009 11:21:04 GMT
I don't think you're giving Annie enough credit. I'm pretty sure that if she saw a huge tree-creature charging through the court, she'd definitely go and investigate. She's been shown to do so before, with Reynardine, Robot, ect. But she would do so calmly like Anthony, as if it were a "matter she had to attend to", rather then excited like Surma. But I agree, she definitely /would/.
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Post by chiparoo on Apr 22, 2009 11:23:50 GMT
Chiparoo, I want to know where that avatar comes from... What Mezzaphor said. I was torn between the Ico picture and the Phsychonauts picture, because both are SO WIN. So win. This one won out because of the pretty.
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Post by audacity on Apr 22, 2009 13:35:15 GMT
I LOVE the oven mitts. Reminds me of my favorite Steven Colbert bit.
"You want the truth America? You can't HANDLE the truth!" <pulls hand out from under desk, encased in oven mitt> "But I have oven mitts!"
...Also they are just funny.
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Post by Dentrala on Apr 22, 2009 13:46:57 GMT
Is it just me, or are block bot's arms being held together with duct tape?
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Post by Rasselas on Apr 22, 2009 14:06:33 GMT
They repair themselves!
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Apr 22, 2009 21:40:27 GMT
If that's the kind of standards the boxerbots have for repairing themselves, whats next? One with a refrigerator for a torso?
Also I find it funny that Surma's first reaction is "hey lets go look closer at that mysterious creature that could have killed us a moment ago!" instead of "What the hell is that supposed to be?!" Like mother like daughter.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Apr 23, 2009 0:06:34 GMT
I LOVE the oven mitts. Reminds me of my favorite Steven Colbert bit. "You want the truth America? You can't HANDLE the truth!" <pulls hand out from under desk, encased in oven mitt> "But I have oven mitts!" ...Also they are just funny. Ha. My first thought was of Strong Bad from Homestar Runner, because he normally wears boxing gloves all the time ("Dear Strong Bad, How do you type with boxing gloves on?"), but on a few rare occasions he's been seen wearing pink oven mitts.
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Post by Scheherazade on Apr 23, 2009 0:25:42 GMT
the way Surma is in this chapter is the way that Annie should have been if she'd lead a normal childhood. That's rather sad, actually. You say it's sad that she turned out the way she did, and not as a clone of her mother? It seems that you assume there's only one way someone "should" turn out, and if they didn't then it's regrettable. ...besides, she probably did lead a relatively normal childhood for someone who goes to GC, what with half of the others inventing zero-gravity machines, hallucinating so extremely that reality changes, and leading past lives as fairies and fish. Then again, there are the nameless faces in the hallways, but they're probably all really good whistlers.
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Post by Casey on Apr 23, 2009 1:16:28 GMT
I don't know... I think that I'd rather be the kid who invents a zero-gravity machine than a kid who spent the first ten years of their life confined to a hospital with their dying mother and regularly communed with dead people and spirits from the great beyond. Oh and then had to take my own mother to the great beyond when she died, because no one else did. At the age of ten. But perhaps that's just me.
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Post by noako on Apr 23, 2009 20:02:16 GMT
Well, I'd rather be the girl who is used to death and who has heard lots of interesting tales from different people, and yes, lost my mother at the age of then (because "sending moms spirit off to neither" isn't necessarily the most horrible event, it seemed that they were just holding hands and walking), than be scared girl who has lived her whole life between bliping between nightmare-reality and normal reality having only a friend who you have to lie to all the time because she doesn't have the courage to trust in their friendship.
Seriously, Annie has had it rough but she is fine now. She has friends. Stop making her into a martyr.
(Also if I'm being too rude, feel free to delete my post Tom)
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Apr 23, 2009 20:50:52 GMT
All things considered, I would say Annie is doing just fine.
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Post by Casey on Apr 23, 2009 21:15:39 GMT
You're really changing the argument though, aren't you? My point was that Item A was less normal than Item B. Your saying that Item C is less normal than Item A, while true, doesn't address my point. As an example: I could counter by saying that I'd rather be the scared girl who has lived [insert your description of Zimmy here, too long] than be the young boy who set his house on fire, killing himself and his whole family in the process. But then, we weren't talking about Martin, and we weren't talking about Zimmy. One could always counter with someone else who was worse off than the people being talked about... but that wouldn't be the people being talked about. Furthermore, just to go ahead and address the point that I think you were making (and Bill agreed) I think that an argument could be made that Annie is NOT doing just fine. I think evidence could be found in her perpetual anger at Muut ("Still such anger..."), her overreaction to Mort, and even her bristling at Eglamore's comparison between herself and her mother at that age. Obviously all these things are subject to infinite individual interpretation, and no one could really say for sure just how damaged Annie is inside except Tom. But, they do make for interesting internet discussion and speculation. Which by the way, that's all this is, just friendly batting back and forth of ideas focusing on fictional characters in a comic... so no rudeness is taken from your statements and hopefully none will be taken from mine. It's an interesting topic, which we can debate without being hurtful, so... big smiles and stuff!
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Post by Azeltir on Apr 23, 2009 22:08:47 GMT
(because "sending moms spirit off to neither" isn't necessarily the most horrible event, it seemed that they were just holding hands and walking) I sincerely doubt that the single panel we saw in any way encompasses the breadth of experiences Anny and Surma shared when the former led her mother to the aether. I'm sure it was more scarring then just walking into a light. Certainly the effect on Antimony of the psychopomps abandoning her to do the job suggests that it wasn't a simple couple of steps. Anyway, Dogwood is still really, really cool. And I love the sign that says: <ROOF| Ben EDIT: Also, Surma's legs in that panel look so realistically dynamic. I love that panel so much.
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Post by Ulysses on Apr 23, 2009 22:21:14 GMT
Furthermore, just to go ahead and address the point that I think you were making (and Bill agreed) I think that an argument could be made that Annie is NOT doing just fine. I think evidence could be found in her perpetual anger at Muut ("Still such anger..."), her overreaction to Mort, and even her bristling at Eglamore's comparison between herself and her mother at that age. Not to mention when she bursts into tears under the cherry tree, sobbing "I miss my mummy". That was quite a big pointer.
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Post by thecheshirecat on Apr 24, 2009 2:27:23 GMT
The art in the lastest arches is getting pretty awesome, Tom is doing a fantastic job. I think I'll try making a 3d version of that tree-dog
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Post by audacity on Apr 24, 2009 13:49:16 GMT
Furthermore, just to go ahead and address the point that I think you were making (and Bill agreed) I think that an argument could be made that Annie is NOT doing just fine. I think evidence could be found in her perpetual anger at Muut ("Still such anger..."), her overreaction to Mort, and even her bristling at Eglamore's comparison between herself and her mother at that age. Not to mention when she bursts into tears under the cherry tree, sobbing "I miss my mummy". That was quite a big pointer. I agree. Annie is amazing, and a wonderful heroine for this comic, but part of what makes her so amazing is that she is a REAL character and has flaws and problems just like people. It's amazing that she's doing as well as she is, considering what she's ahd to go through. I don't think there's any point in minimizing the breadth of her experiences with "Well she's doing fine now." Just like the rest of us, she flies off the handle occasionally, and she's not doing as fine as she tries to seem.
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Post by drbubbles on Apr 24, 2009 14:10:47 GMT
Furthermore, just to go ahead and address the point that I think you were making (and Bill agreed) I think that an argument could be made that Annie is NOT doing just fine. I think evidence could be found in her perpetual anger at Muut ("Still such anger..."), her overreaction to Mort, and even her bristling at Eglamore's comparison between herself and her mother at that age. Not to mention when she bursts into tears under the cherry tree, sobbing "I miss my mummy". That was quite a big pointer. Antimony's attitude towards Anthony is interesting in light of her attitude towards Surma. With Anthony it's as if she doesn't know how she feels. When she learned of his disappearance from Good Hope, it occasioned self-doubt. When Jones criticized him, it seems to have made her angry. I don't recall her expressing any emotion about her separation from him. It's also interesting that, for someone who apparently spent her entire life at Good Hope with Anthony and Surma, Antimony has shown hardly any sign of homesickness. (I assume some of that is stiff-upper-lippedness, but being American I lack the cultural competency to assess whether and how much.) Also, is it just me, or does anyone else think this looks like a Hitler smiley?
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Post by audacity on Apr 24, 2009 14:16:25 GMT
Antimony's attitude towards Anthony is interesting in light of her attitude towards Surma. With Anthony it's as if she doesn't know how she feels. When she learned of his disappearance from Good Hope, it occasioned self-doubt. When Jones criticized him, it seems to have made her angry. I don't recall her expressing any emotion about her separation from him. It's also interesting that, for someone who apparently spent her entire life at Good Hope with Anthony and Surma, Antimony has shown hardly any sign of homesickness. (I assume some of that is stiff-upper-lippedness, but being American I lack the cultural competency to assess whether and how much.) Also, is it just me, or does anyone else think this looks like a Hitler smiley? I don't know if this counts as homesickness, exactly, but from it we can see that Annie thinks about her old home and probably does miss it. But if you go ahead two pages, you see the reason she doesn't miss Good Hope that much. =)
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Post by todd on Apr 24, 2009 22:14:01 GMT
I've often thought that I have enough in common with Annie that I can identify with her in some ways (even though I'm American, a grown-up, and male). I'm also solitary, and I'm more at home with myths and legends than pop culture (almost all the pop culture references I've seen in the forum or the comments section, and even a few in the comic itself, have provoked the same response from me as Kat's line about the Prodigy's Fat of the Land and Music for the Jilted Generation did from Annie - including Kat's line itself).
Though my mother is still alive, and I've never seen any ghosts or mythical beasts in real life.
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