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Post by edzepp on Apr 20, 2009 7:01:44 GMT
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Post by penguinfactory on Apr 20, 2009 7:10:43 GMT
I wonder if they're from Ysengrin?
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Post by edzepp on Apr 20, 2009 7:12:29 GMT
I kinda think it IS Ysengrin. Note the quivering lines near its legs.
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Post by fuzzyone on Apr 20, 2009 7:24:49 GMT
This... Brings to mind somethign I said not too long ago, but don't want to go searching to find... But This looks like Ysengrin's test run with the power Coyote gave him... We... may be about to see the first meeting of Reynardine and Surma!
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Post by chiparoo on Apr 20, 2009 7:29:15 GMT
But Coyote bestowed the "gift" of being a tree to Ysengrin. I'm sure that coyote is already in Gillitie wood, considering he is supposedly the one who separated the court from the wood, but I was under the impression that Reynardine received his gift first, and that would insinuate that Reynardine is already in love with Surma. Unless I'm totally wrong, I think this is something else, but still related to coyote.
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Post by noako on Apr 20, 2009 7:31:29 GMT
But Coyote bestowed the "gift" of being a tree to Ysengrin. I'm sure that coyote is already in Gillitie wood, considering he is supposedly the one who separated the court from the wood, but I was under the impression that Reynardine received his gift first, and that would insinuate that Reynardine is already in love with Surma. Unless I'm totally wrong, I think this is something else, but still related to coyote. I'm sure Ysengring took his gift first, since Coyote made a point about Reynard refusing a lot before he finally wanted his powers.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 20, 2009 7:33:22 GMT
We... may be about to see the first meeting of Reynardine and Surma! That thing does look like Reynard though I can't see any eyes on it. But, if I remember right, I think Reynard asked Coyote for that body-snatching power after he met Surma for the purpose of being with her as a human, so if that is him this can't be their first meeting.
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Post by chiparoo on Apr 20, 2009 7:37:02 GMT
HOKAY, so I re-read the chapter, and it appears there is no timeline for when Ysengrin got /his/ powers. So this could be Ysengrin. But, still, Tom said in his post-comment "Dog through Window" which would insinuate to me that this isn't a wolf. Perhaps Ysengrin is controlling it?
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Post by fuzzyone on Apr 20, 2009 7:41:58 GMT
I said "About to." The Not-so-bright robot made reference to possibly two creatures. Reynard may come in sooner rather than later. I'm almost positive that that is, indeed, Ysengrin. However, They had to meet some time... And I imagine it's going to come along fairly soon. Why exactly Ysengrin is crashing through the widow in what looks like attack mode, I don't know. I imagine we'll find out shortly. Or, we'll just see more awesomeness... Like Tree Ysengrin fighting what looks like actual Fighting Robots. Fighting Robots add awesome to a lot of things.
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Post by pudgimelon on Apr 20, 2009 7:47:33 GMT
Fighting Robots add awesome to a lot of things. Agreed. Fighting Robots are the Bacon Bits of the robot world. They make everything better!
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Post by Goatmon on Apr 20, 2009 7:54:39 GMT
HOKAY, so I re-read the chapter, and it appears there is no timeline for when Ysengrin got /his/ powers. So this could be Ysengrin. But, still, Tom said in his post-comment "Dog through Window" which would insinuate to me that this isn't a wolf. Perhaps Ysengrin is controlling it? You should take into consideration that Tom loves to be vague. He'll sometimes throw out straight information, but more often than not we're not given any blatant facts to work with. Given the situation, I'd say that the Treemutt is either: Reynardine, who has been caught in the act of murdering a student post-possession, now on the run; or Ysengrin (Or something sent by him) to retrieve Reynardine from the court. My first thought was Reynardine, since he's proven to be able to morph any body he possesses if it is malleable enough to change it's shape. But trees aren't that flexible (And don't usually have eyes), and the trembling is consistent with Ysengrin.
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Post by fjodor on Apr 20, 2009 7:58:18 GMT
Oh look: it's a Bonsaiwolf. You don't see many of those nowadays...must be the acid rain.
Figuring out the timelines is the tricky part of this chapter, isn't it? This must have happened long before Reynardine acquired his shapeshifting powers, and the Court people did not know about Ysengrin's transformation until he and Coyote came to visit the Court. So I am guessing the court scientists took (stole?) a bit of the Wood's magic to examine in a lab and now they are running around yelling "I did not expect thiiiis".
Makes one wonder what might happen to robot's tree-arm when it grows up.
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Post by defesan on Apr 20, 2009 8:16:24 GMT
I don't think it's Renard, simply because it looks more like a wolf than a fox. Well, that and it doesn't have eyes. In fact it almost seems to make a point of not having eyes. But really, I think if Renard took that form, he'd have the ability to take any shape he wanted(within reason), so I think he'd be a fox, not a wolf. Remember - it's Annie's doll that's a wolf, not Renard.
As to whether it's Ysengrin, the shaking does seem to support that(though he could just be skittering to a stop), and just because Surma, Anja and Donald saw him doesn't mean the court would automatically find out. Even the robots aren't a guarantee, considering that they seem pretty separate from the court hierarchy.
On the other hand, the last time we saw Ysengrin, in the future, he had the face of a wolf, not a tree. He had the arms and legs of a tree, but it's really hard to shape that fur out of bark.
On the OTHER other hand, if his tree arms and legs form more of a suit than a body, powered armor-style, this could be an unimaginative first version that just covers his whole body. As such, he may not have even been recognized.
Also, it's likely, on reflection, that the Headmaster's comments reflect the fact that Ysengrin had basically turned himself into a human, not that he had used tree magic to do so.
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Post by zingbat on Apr 20, 2009 8:54:18 GMT
I agree with the peoples who don't think it's Reynardine, 'cause I don't think he has acquired his body-snatching powers at this point in the story. In Chapter 20, we learn that soon after Renard gets those powers he disappears into the Court and is captured by them, never to be seen in the forest again (at least as far as we've seen). But on page 496, we saw him hangin' out in the forest with grown-up(ish) Surma, whom he'd fallen in love with. So, my thinking is, Re(y)nard(ine) didn't acquire his body-snatching abilities until after or around the scene on page 496, when Surma was more or less an adult... and she's only a kid on this page. Of course, that doesn't mean that this 'situation' isn't the run-up their first meeting, which would be pretty neat. I'd like to see more of Renard in his fox form...
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Post by Rasselas on Apr 20, 2009 9:25:58 GMT
Haha, I love how you guys always come up with funny alternative names for things in the GC-verse. It happened with Zimmingham, and now we have Treemutt and Bonsaiwolf!
However, I think this is just an ordinary treemonster, not Reynardine or Ysengrim. What I'm not exactly sure is whether there's two of them. I think so, because otherwise Tom wouldn't have drawn it again, no sense to it.
What I'm wondering is whether these are the Rogat Orjak. Of course, they look nothing like the Rogat Orjak in that explanation page. But this set me to wonder just how much Reynardine might've altered the body he snatched, perhaps that's why it turned all white. We see that he alters his current body, so... Makes you wonder what an original Rogat Orjak looks like, sans Reynardine. Of course, most likely there's no significant difference, as evidenced by the explanation page on the Rogat Orjaks.
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Post by Uncle Putte on Apr 20, 2009 9:43:56 GMT
Dog... through... window? In a narrow hallway?
Resident Evil Childhood Trauma, start! Screaming, commence! Aaaarrrggg!
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Post by istanbul on Apr 20, 2009 9:44:32 GMT
What I'm not exactly sure is whether there's two of them. I think so, because otherwise Tom wouldn't have drawn it again, no sense to it. There's just one, I think. If you look, the hallway has windows on both sides. It jumped in through one window and out the other and is now outside under the corridor bridge.
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Post by Ulysses on Apr 20, 2009 9:46:03 GMT
Bonsaiwolf would make a great pokémon It's not Reynardine - it doesn't have eyes. It's not a Rogat Orjak - Tom made a point of having a whole page just about Rogat Orjak down the ages and they always looked like Sivo. Reynardine did nothing to Sivo body other than possess it. Tom has said before that the Ysengrim we know is merely his original body encased in tree-like armour. I'm guessing that's what's happened here - Ysengrim has covered his body in 'tree' for protection, but still wants to look like a wolf. Between this past arc and the modern storyline he must decide that 'human' is the look to have, even if he hates them. The question remains, however - why is he attacking the school? Is it just out of hate? Or is there a deeper reason? Thrill me, Tom!
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Post by Rasselas on Apr 20, 2009 10:05:36 GMT
Oh yeah, and the gang is all gathered in front of the crack to see what's happening down there. You're right, Ulysses, I just glanced over the page and didn't pay enough attention to the details.
Still, I'm not entirely convinced that this is Ysengrim, I think it's a random Bonsaiwolf monster.
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Post by mjh on Apr 20, 2009 10:24:33 GMT
If Ysengrin had turned into a tree before, his appearance in chapter 14 wouldn’t be met with such surprise. And that wasn’t about being two-legged or having a wolf’s head again; Ysengrim himself had commented on his change in appearance that the trees of Gillitie were under his command now, i.e. he took the remarks about his body as applying to its tree-like shape. I think it’s rather unlikely Bonsaiwolf is Ysengrin, and it being Reynardine doesn’t fit into the timeline either. But somehow, this forum seems to be adverse towards new characters: whenever some ostensibly new character appears on the scene, he/she/it immediately gets identified with another character we already know. And if that doesn’t quite work out it must be a close relation at least.
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Post by blackmantha on Apr 20, 2009 10:30:27 GMT
I can't believe this hasn't been said yet...
"Quick! Throw a stick to distract him!"
... or maybe the rest of the forum has better taste.
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Post by Yin on Apr 20, 2009 11:06:31 GMT
Pfff. He *is* a stick. He won't be distracted by one.
We could always try a frisbee.
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Post by Ulysses on Apr 20, 2009 11:20:04 GMT
The idea of Bonsaiwolf being a brand new character honestly hadn't occured to me. Personally don't think he is, but it's always possibly. The closest I'll get to that is saying that Bonsaiwolf isn't Ysengrim or another wolf wrapped in 'tree', but rather a tree being manipulated into wolf shape by Ysengrim or Coyote i.e. Bonsaiwolf is solid tree the whole way through, with no mind of it's own. Personally I think it's between wolf-shaped tree and tree-shaped Ysengrim.
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Post by preus on Apr 20, 2009 12:13:39 GMT
If Ysengrin had turned into a tree before, his appearance in chapter 14 wouldn’t be met with such surprise. And that wasn’t about being two-legged or having a wolf’s head again; Ysengrim himself had commented on his change in appearance that the trees of Gillitie were under his command now, i.e. he took the remarks about his body as applying to its tree-like shape. I think it’s rather unlikely Bonsaiwolf is Ysengrin, and it being Reynardine doesn’t fit into the timeline either. But somehow, this forum seems to be adverse towards new characters: whenever some ostensibly new character appears on the scene, he/she/it immediately gets identified with another character we already know. And if that doesn’t quite work out it must be a close relation at least. I absolutely agree with everything you say. Ysengrin was an ordinary-looking wolf spirit who was given a tree body by Coyote, not a wolf made of trees that was turned humanoid and given a regular wolfie's head. I don't get why everyone thinks every new character who shows up has to be someone else with a makeover.
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Post by Yin on Apr 20, 2009 12:24:28 GMT
If Ysengrin had turned into a tree before, his appearance in chapter 14 wouldn’t be met with such surprise. And that wasn’t about being two-legged or having a wolf’s head again; Ysengrim himself had commented on his change in appearance that the trees of Gillitie were under his command now, i.e. he took the remarks about his body as applying to its tree-like shape. I think it’s rather unlikely Bonsaiwolf is Ysengrin, and it being Reynardine doesn’t fit into the timeline either. But somehow, this forum seems to be adverse towards new characters: whenever some ostensibly new character appears on the scene, he/she/it immediately gets identified with another character we already know. And if that doesn’t quite work out it must be a close relation at least. I absolutely agree with everything you say. Ysengrin was an ordinary-looking wolf spirit who was given a tree body by Coyote, not a wolf made of trees that was turned humanoid and given a regular wolfie's head. I don't get why everyone thinks every new character who shows up has to be someone else with a makeover. Well, when Eglamore turned up with longer hair, we all thought it was a new character. Forgive us for trying to avert another such occurrence.
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Post by Ulysses on Apr 20, 2009 12:46:25 GMT
Ysengrin was an ordinary-looking wolf spirit who was given a tree body by Coyote, not a wolf made of trees that was turned humanoid and given a regular wolfie's head. I don't get why everyone thinks every new character who shows up has to be someone else with a makeover. Ysengrim gave himself the tree body, Coyote gave him power over the trees of Gillitie. Given that Ysengrim is a wolf with power over trees and this is a wolf made of trees I don't it's much of a stretch to assume there is some connection, whether this is Ysengrim or just being controlled by him.
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Post by Rasselas on Apr 20, 2009 12:50:02 GMT
Or we could all just wait until the story unfolds and we find out! ...no? Okay. ._.
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Post by cenit on Apr 20, 2009 13:04:36 GMT
I say the Court is going to blast Bonsaiwolf... and take a little part and plant it in the weird room... maybe it's the same tree that Kat and Annie were back then in chapter I-don't-remember
sleepy, see you all later
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Post by pages on Apr 20, 2009 13:07:19 GMT
Or we could all just wait until the story unfolds and we find out! ...no? Okay. ._. Hehe, where's the fun in that? XD I kinda think it's funny that nobody thinks it's Coyote. I mean, if Ysengrin got his power from coyote, it would follow that Coyote has the same power, no? That said, it would be very cool if this were just a new, awesome, dogtree character. Coyote mentioned that there were "powerful dog creatures who rained misery and joy on the humans." It's possible there's one we haven't met yet. More importantly though - cool, glowy robot thingies on bottom right! Sweet fight coming up! Or, will we see Surma's budding mediation talents in action?
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Post by Azeltir on Apr 20, 2009 13:10:18 GMT
I'm very glad that this wasn't a Rogat Orjak. That's what I was a little afraid of, given the conversation between Thorn and Eglamore - but seeing this tree-hound (be it related to Ysengrin or not) is a wonderful Monday surprise.
Ben
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