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Post by edzepp on Mar 6, 2009 8:04:12 GMT
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Post by ferrusdominus on Mar 6, 2009 8:05:26 GMT
An investment in their mutual futures. But Annie is still hung up on the social significance of the gift? Ooooh and its definately " YOU bend the rules?" Annie's anger over the loss of her mother and Muut's unwillingness to "bend the rules" made it impossible for Muut to simply ask for her help. Its hard to stay friends with death when he has to take your mother as his job. This certainly puts Muut and Annie's interaction by the river in a new light ( 135, 136)
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Post by Count Casimir on Mar 6, 2009 8:15:16 GMT
4th panel Annie looks a great deal more like a full grown lady.
I really enjoy Muut going full-on Magical Lecture Mode as well.
On an unrelated note I just saw the upper right-hand corner of the site. Mort is awesome.
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Post by edzepp on Mar 6, 2009 8:20:35 GMT
What IS the aether(which was first referenced in chapter 16) anyway? In Jeanne's case it seems to be a place you can get stuck in, apparently.
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Post by Count Casimir on Mar 6, 2009 8:23:39 GMT
The general consensus, I think, is that it's kind of like...an alternate world. Kind of like where Annie was roaming with blink magic. And where things that work etherically draw their power.
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Post by edzepp on Mar 6, 2009 8:33:12 GMT
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Post by fjodor on Mar 6, 2009 8:42:09 GMT
Amazing art again on this page. Do I see correctly that Annie wears some sort of aura or crown in the aether? Rereading 135, I'd say Mort may very well be a pshychopomp in training.
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Post by Dominic on Mar 6, 2009 9:59:27 GMT
Excellent page, nicely defuses the chaos. Very pretty center panel, too. Just noticed the advertisement for the book. A while back I poked my local comic book store to order it for me, and I though I was pretty clear in "If you want I can order it for you" "That'd be nice ". Guess I'll have to poke them again, 'cause it's been quite a while >.>
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Post by Goatmon on Mar 6, 2009 10:12:30 GMT
I have no doubt that Kat wants to know if there's any way she can be involved in the mess.
No way she's gonna be keen on letting Annie confront Jeanne, alone.
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Post by mjh on Mar 6, 2009 10:16:16 GMT
Amazing art again on this page. Do I see correctly that Annie wears some sort of aura or crown in the aether? It certainly does look like etherial Annie is wearing a crown.
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Post by AluK on Mar 6, 2009 11:47:31 GMT
Amazing art again on this page. Do I see correctly that Annie wears some sort of aura or crown in the aether? It certainly does look like etherial Annie is wearing a crown. I take it as more of a visual cue to show her "awareness". Or something. About Kat's question... I think she's gonna ask about Mort. If Muut can contact him or something.
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Post by exdevlin on Mar 6, 2009 15:26:13 GMT
Hmm, I noticed Annie's crown too. But I wonder if it isn't just a shape to show a light shining around her head, more like a halo.
Kat might be asking about Aly next, I think. Of course with this whole thing going on, she probably also wants to know who Jeanne really is and why she's stuck.
Mort being a psychopomp in training? But I thought all psychopomps were created to suit a religion/belief system.. did something new happen that needs a new psychopomp to carry on believers to the aether? Maybe psychopomps actually do retire and give up their position to someone else...
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Post by Tanya on Mar 6, 2009 15:34:49 GMT
Do I see correctly that Annie wears some sort of aura or crown in the aether? Yes! I noticed that too. It's the kabbalistic "sefira" of "Keter" (lit. "Crown" in Hebrew) - the one that links our natural bodies to the supernatural, or the head chakra.
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Post by jdskeleven on Mar 6, 2009 17:08:43 GMT
Oh, oh, oh: In the latest chapter, Annie is wearing brown while Kat is wearing blue. This is also echoed in the flashback involving Surma and Anja (seen here), when Surma is wearing brown and Anja is wearing blue. However, in Muut's awesome demonstration panel thing, Annie (if that is Annie) is wearing what looks like a blue dress. Does that mean anything? For a minute I thought there might be something in the brown/blue thing, but both Surma and Annie have frequently been depicted wearing blue (see Annie when she was living in the hospital, for example).
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Post by sandjosieph on Mar 6, 2009 17:14:53 GMT
Maybe it's foreshadowing...
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Post by ferrusdominus on Mar 7, 2009 2:07:57 GMT
Did the blinker pull Annie's mind into the aether that night by the annan (where she could be attacked by Jeanne)? If so Muut knowingly put Annie in harm's way without forewarning...
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Post by Chrome on Mar 7, 2009 2:59:22 GMT
I actually wonder if the scar on Annie's cheek is one of those Matrix-esque things, that stays as long as she believes she was etherically wounded by Jeanne. In that sense, she wasn't really harmed - only she thought she was. That might explain why Muut didn't really consider a danger factor when he gave her the stone.
If the blinker stone helped pull Jeanne to her, and that was where she got cut - it'd make sense that the scar shows up in any "alternate" world like Zimmy's wackoland, and Blinker-World.
I have a suspicion that going to actually help Jeanne will finally reverse the scar, or at least give it a new meaning that won't be as "I got hurt and screwed up when I had a chance to help her" in her mind.
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Post by hearingv0ices on Mar 7, 2009 5:28:49 GMT
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Post by Yin on Mar 7, 2009 5:33:19 GMT
'We' refers to the psychopomps collectively rather than Muut himself.
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Post by Midnight Meadows on Mar 7, 2009 8:30:59 GMT
Cranky face. CRANKY FACE.
That's a solid visage right there, Annie.
I like the cliffhanger for the next page with Kat's line, good job Tom.
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Post by mjh on Mar 7, 2009 10:48:28 GMT
Did the blinker pull Annie's mind into the aether that night by the annan (where she could be attacked by Jeanne)? Tom didn’t employ his ‘etherical’ drawing style there, so I don’t think she was in the aether. Furthermore, the Fairies saw Jeanne too. And of course, Jeanne had been quite visible all the time, only on the other side of the river. You don’t need to wander into the aether to encounter a ghost. According to Mort, Jeanne crossing the Annan was unheard of: “That sucks about the ghost with the sword. That isn’t supposed to happen. Crossing the Annan waters and all …”
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Post by sandjosieph on Mar 7, 2009 19:16:47 GMT
He was telling Annie that he himself had business nearby...I think...
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Post by mjh on Mar 7, 2009 19:46:37 GMT
He was telling Annie that he himself had business nearby...I think... He seems to be using “we” whenever he is talking about all the psychopomps or on their behalf. But he is also talking in the first person on several occasions, for example on www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=338: “I do. She is a very gifted individual.” and “I am going to visit a friend in room 426.” And again on www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=136: “Now, I must attend to other matters.” and “I only escort the dead. I do not decide someone’s fate.”
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Post by tyler on Mar 7, 2009 20:44:07 GMT
I'm pretty much convinced by this particular page that the social implications are the least of Annie's concerns. Her words and posture speak more of a past history that we haven't seen yet. There's something they did or she feels upset about.
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Post by mjh on Mar 7, 2009 23:21:44 GMT
In the latest chapter, Annie is wearing brown while Kat is wearing blue. This is also echoed in the flashback involving Surma and Anja (seen here), when Surma is wearing brown and Anja is wearing blue. However, in Muut's awesome demonstration panel thing, Annie (if that is Annie) is wearing what looks like a blue dress. Annie was wearing blue throughout chapter 18 (S1), for example.
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Post by chris on Mar 8, 2009 6:20:01 GMT
she would not accept the blinker stone from a psychopomp because they took her mother from her
that is selfish
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Post by noako on Mar 8, 2009 9:29:43 GMT
she would not accept the blinker stone from a psychopomp because they took her mother from her that is selfish Try to remember, her mother was the most important person in her life, and she saw her taken away by a psychopomp. (most likely) She isn't selfish, she is grieving. After all, why SHOULD she help psychopomps?
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Post by blackmantha on Mar 8, 2009 12:27:45 GMT
Did the blinker pull Annie's mind into the aether that night by the annan (where she could be attacked by Jeanne)? Tom didn’t employ his ‘etherical’ drawing style there, so I don’t think she was in the aether. That doesn't say much. Tom probably didn't plan that style so far back. I think the claim that it couldn't have been the blinker stone because it didn't look like it did years later, holds little water. she would not accept the blinker stone from a psychopomp because they took her mother from her that is selfish Try to remember, her mother was the most important person in her life, and she saw her taken away by a psychopomp. (most likely) She isn't selfish, she is grieving. I have this little pet theory where Annie knows that she shouldn't blame Muut (or whoever took Surma away) because of her experience. However, knowing isn't the same as feeling, and seriously, could anyone expect a young girl to just accept the death of her mother? So she's hurt and feeling resentment to the guides, but because she knows there is no reason to it, she doesn't voice it. The end result is the half-concealed hostility we've seen against Muut, and the passive-agrassive (is that the right word here?) way she brushed off Ketrak earlier.
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Post by mjh on Mar 8, 2009 14:42:01 GMT
Tom didn’t employ his ‘etherical’ drawing style there, so I don’t think she was in the aether. That doesn't say much. Tom probably didn't plan that style so far back. I think the claim that it couldn't have been the blinker stone because it didn't look like it did years later, holds little water. The argument from the drawing style may not be decisive if taken in isolation, but all the arguments taken together are, in my view. We know that ghosts are somehow able to affect the living; Mort does it all the time. When a ghost creates a spider out of thin air (or maybe turns into a spider), this spider is visible to everyone present, and you don’t have to enter the aether to be able to see it. But when Annie went into the aether to spy on Reynardine, neither Kat nor Anja took notice; her encounter with Reynardine was something she alone experienced (and Reynardine, of course). Jeanne had been in plain view all the time Annie had spent on the Gillitie shore of the Annan waters, well before she received the stone. After Jeanne had crossed the river, the fairies saw her as well; in fact they noticed her first, probably waking Annie who was still asleep. So, all the details suggest this was an example of a ghost entering into the sphere of the living, while nothing suggests it to be a case of someone entering the aether to encounter a ghost within its own plane of existence. Furthermore, all we have learned about blinker stones tells us they are a mere tool (“training wheels, basically”, to quote Tom); a blinker stone does nothing on its own. At the time, Annie knew how to use the stone to make fire (which had gone out by then), nothing else. We know that Annie is ‘attractive’; she attracts ghosts. That Jeanne would want to come over wasn’t surprising, while her being able to cross is. If something as simple as having a blinker stone would have sufficed to allow a ghost to cross the Annan waters – supposed to be an impenetrable barrier for physical and etherical beings alike – it surely wouldn’t have gone unnoticed during all those years?
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Post by jdskeleven on Mar 8, 2009 15:18:42 GMT
All of that would seem to confirm (or strongly imply) that it was Annie's presence that allowed Jeanne to cross the river. Which would make sense, given the role of a medium.
One thing I'm wondering: are the Tic Tocs in on it? Annie asks them to drop her on the Court side of the river, but they ignore her. Did they want her to be on the far bank, or were they just acting randomly?
Actually, I just want to know more about the Tic Tocs in general...
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