truffle
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Post by truffle on Mar 4, 2009 8:12:02 GMT
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vryko
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Post by vryko on Mar 4, 2009 8:14:20 GMT
What's the important word? I think it's "alone."
I also really like the effect of Muut's arm waving and becoming a wing.
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Post by Count Casimir on Mar 4, 2009 8:20:34 GMT
I'd guess "waiting", "powerless", or "you".
But I tend to be wrong.
Seconded on Muut's new wing.
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Post by ferrusdominus on Mar 4, 2009 8:31:57 GMT
"You" in frame one is in bold...
But Annie looks distinctly unhappy in the last frame. I wonder what she resents more? Being conned into helping, paid to help or the fiasco the payment caused with Mort. Or simply not given a choice in the matter?
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Post by noako on Mar 4, 2009 8:33:04 GMT
I think it's "you", because a. it's bolded b. it gives a feeling that there's someone else bending the rules
Annie is looking pretty annoyed in the last panel.
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Post by sebastian on Mar 4, 2009 8:34:18 GMT
Not even the guides knows who she is? That sound highly unusual.
Speculation: Yeanne is/was a robot bult by that Diego, one so sofisticated that developed a soul (and hence could become a ghost), but not being a human (or a insect, or what else) the guides have no jurisdiction or even a "documentation" on it. For them it is like she just sprung out of nothingness.
maybe that is why she can pass the Annan waters? Because she is something new?
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Post by sebastian on Mar 4, 2009 8:36:19 GMT
"You" in frame one is in bold... But Annie looks distinctly unhappy in the last frame. I wonder what she resents more? Being conned into helping, paid to help or the fiasco the payment caused with Mort. Or simply not given a choice in the matter? And not forget Muut's idea put her in danger, from what we know now it looks probable that Yeanne's attack was someway related to the blinker stone.
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picaro
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Post by picaro on Mar 4, 2009 8:38:04 GMT
The important word is powerless.
Why would the psychopomps be powerless to help her?
Sure the Moddey Dhoo and Mathilda were unable to help the little boy but I didn't really get a sense of being powerless from them - he was scared of them. That was more like helping someone make a decision.
THIS IS GUNNA BE BIG.
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chris
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it's a metaphor
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Post by chris on Mar 4, 2009 8:50:43 GMT
i think the important word is "we" in the last panel
this means that the etheric realm is working toward a greater purpose
yay reading way too much into things
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Post by mudmaniac on Mar 4, 2009 8:54:32 GMT
Muut is looking damn pleased with himself.
Despite Annie nearly getting etherically cut in two.
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Post by eightyfour on Mar 4, 2009 9:21:44 GMT
Well, seems like Annie was quite right all along (referring to #360). She was supposed to help. The one thing that irritates me is that supernatural powers, be they oracles, spirit guides, gods or whatever, never seem to ask the humans for help. They pretty much always trick them or force them into doing what they want. Despite the grief Annie has with the guides, I don't really think she would've declined a polite request for help. But then, maybe that's just the whole difference between being human and, well, not. I also think the important word is "you". The spirit guides by definition are truely neutral and passive. All they do is guide the dead to the afterlife. If one of them actively interferres with the fate of a living, that is quite extraordinary. But then, you could say they already started interferring when they allowed little Annie to accompany them on their visits back in the hospital, since that definitely had quite a great influence on who she became.
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chris
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Post by chris on Mar 4, 2009 9:32:58 GMT
'you' is a trap
it is in bold to signify emphasis, not importance
if gunnerkrigg court were a megaman game, muut would be the final boss
he is evil
you know this to be true
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Post by Dominic on Mar 4, 2009 10:11:49 GMT
Heh, Annie doesn't like being used like this, I think. Any moment now she'll get mighty pissy at Muut, and she'll have to move on to whoever told Muut to arrange this
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Post by mjh on Mar 4, 2009 10:27:19 GMT
I think it's "you", because a. it's bolded b. it gives a feeling that there's someone else bending the rules Well, of course. People are bending the rules all the time; Annie certainly does. But for a psychopomp that’s quite unusual. And as others have said, the bolded “you” merely adds emphasis. Effectively, Muut is telling Annie not to waste time with her petty “I was tricked into an engagement with a ghost” nonsense and start tackling the big questions. And it was high time that somebody did.
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Post by zingbat on Mar 4, 2009 10:36:49 GMT
So, how come Muut just didn't go "Hey, we need your help: that light over there is a ghost that we can't reach. Here's something that will let her contact you" when he showed up on the riverbank that night?
Hmm, maybe Annie would have refused to help if she'd known what was going on. Apparently her attitude toward Muut (maybe all psychopomps) has changed since she first met him; maybe she no longer wants to lend the psychopomps her mediuming skillz.
EDIT: Oh dear. Despite reading the previous posts in this thread I managed to completely miss eightyfour's comments on the exact same thing I was talking about. Alas.
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Post by Goatmon on Mar 4, 2009 11:25:44 GMT
Well, seems like Annie was quite right all along (referring to #360). She was supposed to help. The one thing that irritates me is that supernatural powers, be they oracles, spirit guides, gods or whatever, never seem to ask the humans for help. They pretty much always trick them or force them into doing what they want. Despite the grief Annie has with the guides, I don't really think she would've declined a polite request for help. But then, maybe that's just the whole difference between being human and, well, not. I also think the important word is "you". The spirit guides by definition are truely neutral and passive. All they do is guide the dead to the afterlife. If one of them actively interferres with the fate of a living, that is quite extraordinary. But then, you could say they already started interferring when they allowed little Annie to accompany them on their visits back in the hospital, since that definitely had quite a great influence on who she became. It's called guiding. They are not instructors, merely watchers. More than likely, Muut was hoping Annie would develop her powers and eventually take a shot at helping Jeanne. I doubt he expected an inexperienced child to solve a violent ghosts' problems overnight.
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Post by penguinfactory on Mar 4, 2009 11:41:42 GMT
Didn't expect the chapter to go in this direction. I'm very pleased that we're getting more Jeanneformation so soon after S1.
BTW, the important word is totally defintely maybe "waiting". Waiting for what?
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Post by todd on Mar 4, 2009 12:05:21 GMT
Note Muut's response to Annie telling him that she discovered that the ghost girl's name was Jeanne. Maybe that has something to do with the traditional significance of names in myth and legend - that in order to help Jeanne, they would first have to learn who she was (which they did not know up to this point).
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Post by Rasselas on Mar 4, 2009 12:18:27 GMT
I also think the word is "waiting". He must've given her the blinker stone so that Jeanne would be able to cross. However.. did Annie spend her time in the ravine on the Court side or the Gillitie side? On which side was Jeanne waiting?
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Post by todd on Mar 4, 2009 12:37:46 GMT
I thought it was obvious from the story that Annie was on the Gillitie side of the ravine - Shadow2, the fairies, Ysengrin's later visit to the spot where the Tic-Toc fell.
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Post by mjh on Mar 4, 2009 13:13:22 GMT
I also think the word is "waiting". He must've given her the blinker stone so that Jeanne would be able to cross. Muut had said Annie should be thankful she could not not cross the river. Would he have done anything (deliberately) to break that ban? I don’t think so. Also, there is no real indication that it was the blinker stone that allowed Jeanne to cross the Annan waters. After all, she had arrived on the other shore only after the blinker stone’s fire had gone out. The psychopomps don’t know anything about Jeanne; Muut admitted as much. When he had said she couldn’t cross the river, he could simply have been mistaken; even a psychopomp may be wrong sometimes.
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Post by Kuraru on Mar 4, 2009 13:26:48 GMT
I also think the word is "waiting". He must've given her the blinker stone so that Jeanne would be able to cross. However.. did Annie spend her time in the ravine on the Court side or the Gillitie side? On which side was Jeanne waiting? It must have been the Gillitie side, otherwise Ysengrin would have had to cross the bridge to get to the tic-toc bird which implanted itself in the cliff. Also, on page 475 (the first page of "Coyote Stories") there is a cog on the Gillitie side of the Annan waters, presumably representing the tic-toc bird, and there is a white "eye" on the Court's side, presumably representing Jeanne. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=475I agree that the important word is "waiting", though, since we've never been told before that she's waiting. It brings up a load of new questions as well, primarily "Who or what is she waiting for?".
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Post by mjh on Mar 4, 2009 13:55:00 GMT
It must have been the Gillitie side, otherwise Ysengrin would have had to cross the bridge to get to the tic-toc bird which implanted itself in the cliff. That it was the Gillitie side is pretty obvious. By the way, the bit about the Tic Toc bird having taken root in the cliff is highly dubious. We only have Ysengrin’s word for this, and according to Red, he was lying: Ysengrin had discovered the bird shortly after Annie had left and then “buried” it, maybe excercising his “terrifying skills of gardening”, to quote Reynardine’s sarcastic remark. I agree that the important word is "waiting", though, since we've never been told before that she's waiting. It brings up a load of new questions as well, primarily "Who or what is she waiting for?". Judging from her expression in the last panel, Annie doesn’t like to be asked for help (as she did in the past), but actually she had already got that far on her own. Remember this dialogue from the closing pages of chapter 16? “Kat: This kinda reminds me of the ghost with the sword you met at the Annan waters. Annie: Oh? Kat: Yeah, you said your psychopomp friends couldn’t help her, right? So what if she’s stuck too? Annie: If that’s the case then she might not even know why she is down there. Kat: And she’s probably been there a really long time. It’s kinda sad … Annie: I should have tried to help her … Instead I was a fool and became scared when I thought she had cut me. I should have faced my fear, as I did with Martin …” And now, after Muut’s gentle reminder, maybe she will follow her own advice.
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Post by Rasselas on Mar 4, 2009 14:11:18 GMT
Oh snap, you guys are good at this. Maybe Jeanne is waiting for someone else to die, to rejoin her? (Maybe I belong to that one wild thread!)
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Post by snes on Mar 4, 2009 14:57:20 GMT
I think she's "waiting" in the same way Martin was waiting; she needs to be taken on to the next life, but the people who take her can't come.
I think the most important word is "needed", if only because it feels out of place. Why didn't he say "we need your help"?
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Post by Azeltir on Mar 4, 2009 16:00:18 GMT
I think the word is "begun" because she hasn't finished yet.
No, that's a lie. I hope Tom's proud of himself: we've speculated on half the words of the strip by now! For the record, I agree that it's "waiting." And I don't think she's waiting for her psychopomp.
Ben
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Post by warrl on Mar 4, 2009 16:06:14 GMT
I think she's "waiting" in the same way Martin was waiting; she needs to be taken on to the next life, but the people who take her can't come. I think the most important word is "needed", if only because it feels out of place. Why didn't he say "we need your help"? "We need" would be to explain current action. "We needed" explains past action, even if the need continues. Annie is probably annoyed in the last panel - in addition to her previous annoyance (and kudos to her for asking questions first this time!) - because the psychopomps haven't had a problem with *asking her to help* and *telling her what they know of what's going on* before. But in this case, the first case where she's suffered any harm from a spirit, Muut foisted the situation on her without a request or explanation, and even masked his action to look like something else entirely. Closing pages of chapter 16, which Kuraru mentioned.Oh, and for the important word, I favor "alone" but "waiting" is a good prospect.
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Post by warrl on Mar 4, 2009 16:40:13 GMT
Oh, and I notice that Kat is becoming more comfortable with Muut's appearance... although she's not really there yet.
Or maybe the rather brusque way the that Annie is interrogating this supernatural being makes her nervous.
(Don't worry, Kat, they are old friends who are just going through a rough patch at present but will get over it in time; and the psychopomps really have no power in the world.)
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picaro
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Post by picaro on Mar 4, 2009 16:49:06 GMT
Could be time.
Who knows how much time it will take.
Simple sentences. Tired.
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Post by sandjosieph on Mar 4, 2009 17:16:07 GMT
The most important word could be "it"...
I've always thought Jeanne looked a little strange. Could it be because she has no descirnable hairline?
And I've noticed that Kat's hair seems to have grown exponentially.
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