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Post by eightyfour on Jan 19, 2009 8:08:38 GMT
511Will be interesting to see how Kat goes along with all this. Her parents semm to be well acquainted with the "etheric design", however they semm to have raised her in a purely scientific way so far. Nice detail: In panel three, the blinker stone seems to distort reality when materializing in Anja's hand. The edges of the window in the background become blurred.
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Post by Midnight Meadows on Jan 19, 2009 8:10:25 GMT
They need to think of a way to build blinker-stones into things like your car-keys or the TV remote.
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Post by King Mir on Jan 19, 2009 8:11:55 GMT
Your post reminds me of this xkcd strip. Guess we sorta already knew that it can be retrieved easily.
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Post by edzepp on Jan 19, 2009 8:12:21 GMT
I'd say its more a matter of preference on Kat's part. She's just more interested (and puts more faith) in the sciences.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 19, 2009 8:13:26 GMT
So if they can't be lost, can they be given away? We know Mort gave one to Annie, but perhaps the rules are different for ghosts.
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Post by King Mir on Jan 19, 2009 8:15:39 GMT
Anya was able to retrieve Annie's stone, which implies they can at least be loaned.
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Post by UbiquitousDragon on Jan 19, 2009 8:48:17 GMT
That is so cool *wants*
So, I wonder where Mort got it from?
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Post by tetsamaru on Jan 19, 2009 8:56:42 GMT
I want that ability for 3 of my things. My wallet, My Keys, and my TV remote!!!!!
Well, People fear what cant be explained. Thats probably how it goes for Kat.
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Post by sebastian on Jan 19, 2009 9:01:50 GMT
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Post by Count Casimir on Jan 19, 2009 9:14:12 GMT
I think todd deserves a cookie for his "teleportation" prediction.
And sebastian, I suspect she just wanted to show Annie what that particular stone could do. It was for style points.
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Post by Tom Siddell on Jan 19, 2009 9:21:25 GMT
She wanted to ask Annie about hers.
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Post by etcetera on Jan 19, 2009 10:50:04 GMT
"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science." - Agatha Heterodyne Well Kat, do what you can do best and take a good look at that blinker stone.
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Post by Miri on Jan 19, 2009 13:59:26 GMT
There do seem to be some interesting rules regarding ownership in the court (like Annie's possession of the Reynardine plush), so Mort giving Annie the stone was probably an official transfer of ownership. For a minute I thought that the blinker stone was how Mort was able to do all his scariness back in the earlier chapters, but 392 disproves that. So why did Mort have the blinker stone in the first place? Is it a hand-me-down from Surma? That's my guess. Also, I'm a huge fan of Kat's face in the sixth panel.
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Post by mari on Jan 19, 2009 14:26:16 GMT
Also, I'm a huge fan of Kat's face in the sixth panel. Me too. And the last panel, too. Annie's pretty much the same lately, but Kat's looking more grown up and prettier, like her mother.
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Post by cenit on Jan 19, 2009 15:30:09 GMT
Kat should stick to robots right now, or she's going to have a seizure trying to to rationalize this blinker stone thingie...
and adding to the 3 things tetsamaru want's to work like a blinker stone, I say my glassess... don't wanna know how much time I've spent looking for them
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Post by mudmaniac on Jan 19, 2009 15:38:17 GMT
I wonder if you can send it away as well. would be a minor nuisance if u had to put it on your pocket after you called it, and it ended up scratching your cellphone screen or something.
Hmm. this does actually remind me of the time Mad Sweeney taught Shadow how to get coins from practically anywhere. and nowhere. (american gods, gaiman)
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Post by eightyfour on Jan 19, 2009 16:32:00 GMT
I wonder if you can send it away as well. would be a minor nuisance if u had to put it on your pocket after you called it, and it ended up scratching your cellphone screen or something. Heh, just throw it into a corner, drop it to the ground or something and when you need it again just summon it back However, depending on how "ownership" is defined in this context, giving up the stone in a way like this may cause a problem.
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Post by snes on Jan 19, 2009 17:56:45 GMT
Is someone keeping track of how many times someone's had an exclamation point above their head? I count two now.
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Post by Per on Jan 19, 2009 18:07:55 GMT
Aha, an object that responds to abstract notions of ownership! That means:
1. The stone responds to notions of ownership in the surrounding world. In this case someone who appropriated a stone might effectively gain ownership of it by believing strongly enough that it's now theirs.
2. The concept of ownership is encoded in the stone itself, like some kind of property/function, and the way the stone is used and transferred must follow this.
3. Same as 2, but the concept of ownership is encoded not just in the stone but in the world like some form of natural law.
4. Huffi-muffi-guffi (= blaharg = it just does = tomorrow it might be a potted plant etc.).
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Post by rayofash on Jan 19, 2009 18:19:41 GMT
511Nice detail: In panel three, the blinker stone seems to distort reality when materializing in Anja's hand. The edges of the window in the background become blurred. And yet, not her hands.
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Post by Tierra Y Libertad on Jan 19, 2009 20:33:18 GMT
"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science." - Agatha Heterodyne They stole that from Arthur C. Clarke, but reversed "science" and "magic." Tacky. I imagine being science teachers is difficult when many of the things you do are inexplicable and unprovable.
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Post by snes on Jan 19, 2009 21:41:03 GMT
Perhaps there's some other trick to it than just being the stone's "owner". My thought was that you must have a certain mental image to summon it. You could tell the image to others, and then they could summon it as well.
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Post by Azeltir on Jan 19, 2009 22:09:19 GMT
Have you lot seen the apostrophe wars in the comments thread? Hilarious! And Tom fixed it, appropriately. Yay editing - the artist's job is never over. I love the blink sound effect, as well as Kat's nonplussed look in panel 4. I wonder if all Blinker Stones have the same shape. Does form convey function, in etherics? They stole that from Arthur C. Clarke, but reversed "science" and "magic." Tacky. It's a not stealing, it's a reference. And it was hilarious in the steampunk Cinderella context the Foglio's wrote it in, too. Take it easy.
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Post by Per on Jan 19, 2009 22:21:25 GMT
Have you lot seen the apostrophe wars in the comments thread? Hilarious! And Tom fixed it, appropriately. It's still there for me.
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Post by etcetera on Jan 19, 2009 23:54:31 GMT
They stole that from Arthur C. Clarke, but reversed "science" and "magic." Tacky. That is correct. Here are the variations on this quote that I came across so far: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. - Barry Gehm Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it. - Florence Ambrose Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science. - Agatha Heterodyne
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 20, 2009 0:23:08 GMT
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a completely ad-hoc plot device. - David Langford
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Post by UbiquitousDragon on Jan 20, 2009 0:50:14 GMT
Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology - Larry Niven
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jan 20, 2009 4:36:19 GMT
Kat really does have an incredibly teenagery look to her in panel four. Which makes me think this was more a 'mom, stop being lame' moment than a 'I refuse to believe in magic' moment.
Also, is Anja's wedding ring red? That's what it looks like.
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Post by eightyfour on Jan 20, 2009 8:03:09 GMT
Aha, an object that responds to abstract notions of ownership! Hmm, actually, reading the comic again, the only thing that implies "ownership" may have any relevance here is Anja talking about "my" and "your" blinker stone. That's rather thin. Anja was able to retreive Annies stone after she made the floaty sky thingie. Granted, Annie lent it to her, which could be considered a temporary transfer of ownership. But, Anja was also able to retreive her own stone from Kat. If Annie giving her stone to Anja counts as transfer of ownership, Anja giving hers to Kat has to count, too. Now we might of course start to nitpick about the words used and the intentions behind them: Anja expressly asked Annie if she could "borrow" her stone, but merely told Kat to "hold on to it"... In the end "it just does, okay?" is the version I like best.
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Post by sinewmire on Jan 20, 2009 8:48:41 GMT
Blegh, 'mom'? Thought Kat was English? Well, Scottish/Romany.
On the other hand it's only one letter, I should probably relax, it's just a show.
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