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Post by Yin on Dec 17, 2008 8:00:33 GMT
Ah... Who got that? Also, I wonder what happened to Rey's original body. Dead as his other victims are, or is it exempt somehow?
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Post by mudmaniac on Dec 17, 2008 8:19:01 GMT
obviously thats how he killed that young man. musta neglected to read the fine print.
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Post by Fhqwhgads on Dec 17, 2008 8:22:08 GMT
OOH LOOKIT REYNARD IS TOTALLY ANNIE'S DA--*gunshot*
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Post by fjodor on Dec 17, 2008 8:24:55 GMT
Johnny Rocks Hard got it in the [496] discussion thread. Well spotted!
The nasty bit of hosts dying after he leaves him was probably an 'undocumented feature'. That's what you get for asking a favour from a Trickster I guess.
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Post by eightyfour on Dec 17, 2008 8:35:13 GMT
Well well, finally some answers we've all been waiting for! Of course, still a lot remains unsaid. We can only assume if the ability to take bodies turned out to be exactly what Rey really had in mind, for example. Was it Coyote's doing, not to mention that the host would die? Was it an oversight on Rey's part, because he was blinded by love? Or did he knowingly accept the consequences? Did he even care?
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Post by Yin on Dec 17, 2008 8:36:39 GMT
Shoulda asked for shapeshifting instead of body-snatching- he sure didn't think it through.
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Post by edzepp on Dec 17, 2008 8:37:22 GMT
OOH LOOKIT REYNARD IS TOTALLY ANNIE'S DA--*gunshot* You just got taken out by the ridiculous speculation police. ;D And this is why you should always ask about negative side effects that may arise from body-snatching, kids. Shoulda asked for shapeshifting instead of body-snatching- he sure didn't think it through. He seemed to have gotten THAT power by possessing the doll. Wolf form, anyone? Makes you wonder if he would've been able to do that in a human body. |
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Post by tetsamaru on Dec 17, 2008 8:48:34 GMT
OOH LOOKIT REYNARD IS TOTALLY ANNIE'S DA--*gunshot* You just got taken out by the ridiculous speculation police. ;D And this is why you should always ask about negative side effects that may arise from body-snatching, kids. Shoulda asked for shapeshifting instead of body-snatching- he sure didn't think it through. He seemed to have gotten THAT power by possessing the doll. Wolf form, anyone? Makes you wonder if he would've been able to do that in a human body. I wouldnt really call that full on shape shifting though. I'd say its more manipulating what the body can handle. Would you call Growing twice your size shape shifting? Or "gaining muscles" as it? When i think of shape shifting, i think a full transformation into turning into something your original body is not. |
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Post by edzepp on Dec 17, 2008 8:55:33 GMT
Just theorizing. I'm not what one might call an expert in the field.  In fact I'm far more likely to be an expert in not always thinking things through. I'd take anything I say with a grain of salt. ;D |
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Post by phyr3xian on Dec 17, 2008 9:00:12 GMT
anyone else thinking about the other guy in the photo right now?
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Post by Yin on Dec 17, 2008 9:03:26 GMT
anyone else thinking about the other guy in the photo right now? The three guys are Anthony, Eglamore and Kat's dad. |
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Post by walkingdust on Dec 17, 2008 9:07:50 GMT
Shoulda asked for shapeshifting instead of body-snatching- he sure didn't think it through. If Reynardine "loved humans" so much maybe he truly wanted to be one of them. Had he asked for shapeshifting powers then he would have been a Shapeshifter, not a human. Along those lines "Make me a human" was probably something Coyote would not have granted him. |
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Post by fjodor on Dec 17, 2008 10:14:52 GMT
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Post by Goatmon on Dec 17, 2008 10:44:27 GMT
No.
Again, this is why Tom has started dropping ocassional anvils in the comment box to cut off anyone from spectulating completely ridiculous ideas.
We can't tell who's body Rey stole, but Tom's comment "No, you do not know who the guy is yet." implies we don't know the character that body belongs to yet.
You can't really take that comment as "we just don't know WHO it is, but it might be somebody we know" because the person's identity is perfectly well-concealed already, and there would be no point in Tom's comment if that were the case.
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Post by penguinfactory on Dec 17, 2008 10:56:23 GMT
Wooooo!
I'm glad Tom added that little disclaimer at the bottom or I'd be going around thinking the faceless guy was somehow Annie's dad.
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Post by todd on Dec 17, 2008 11:48:44 GMT
I'd again like to point out that Anthony left the hospital *after* Surma died and Annie went off to Gunnerkrigg - by which time Reynardine was already being imprisoned there in Sivo's body.
And Tom's made it clear that the young man whom Reynardine possessed is an entirely new character whom we haven't seen in the comic before.
(Though I fear that wild speculators will either ignore both these statements or twist them about to mean something else.)
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Post by fjodor on Dec 17, 2008 12:52:42 GMT
(Though I fear that wild speculators will either ignore both these statements or twist them about to mean something else.) I can confirm your fear: ....If Coyote calls Eglamore a hound, Eggers may have been just that.... See? Both twisted and ignored. :-) |
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Post by King Mir on Dec 17, 2008 14:39:42 GMT
Isn't Coyote the god of unintended consequences?
I suspect the side effects of body snatching were not an expected feature, except in so far is you should not ask for favors from Coyote without risk of such things.
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Post by sleepymiranda on Dec 17, 2008 15:05:30 GMT
Okay, I realize that I'm easily confused, and perhaps someone has already discussed this, but:
Didn't Coyote just say that creatures of the forest could renounce the forest and become humans at the court (like the Fairies?). If becoming human was Rey's only goal, and he really didn't like the idea of special powers, why didn't he just do that?
(And as an aside, I totally believe that Coyote would have given Reynardine powers without telling him how they worked.)
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Post by Yin on Dec 17, 2008 15:12:40 GMT
Rey may have been a special case- Coyote could have disapproved of his becoming human, or prevented him from renouncing the forest, or maybe he just didn't want to totally renounce the forest.
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Post by cenit on Dec 17, 2008 15:24:30 GMT
never tought I'll say this... but poor Renard... he sure had some hard times.
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Post by erk on Dec 17, 2008 15:41:13 GMT
Coyote called Eggers a hound because he assumed Annie was Eglamore's daughter. I think it's been pretty clear for a while that Eggers and Surma were sweethearts before Anthony hit it off with her. How that happened remains a central question to the backstory of the comic, in my opinion.
I wouldn't be surprised if Renard first asked to take the Test, and Coyote said that he didn't have to... Coyote'd happily give him an even better power to let him do the same thing. Renard accepted, became a body snatcher, and found out that the trick to Coyote's offer was that Surma could never love him as the demon he'd become.
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Post by Tanya on Dec 17, 2008 16:10:44 GMT
my feverish mind came up with this: Renard stole Egglamore's body,did/said something innapropriate while in this shape - thus ruining the Surma-Egglamore relationship.
How is Egglamore still alive? Renard jumped from his body to Sivo. Egglamore's friends turned him into a construct/half robot half human in an attempt to save him. that would explain Eggie's super powers (think bionic woman style - yes I am disclosing my age here).
Of course, Tom's statement quite contradicts this. But then, you can understand his statement in different ways, The Eggers we know today is not the Eggers that was before Renard destroyed him.
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Post by Count Casimir on Dec 17, 2008 19:38:43 GMT
my feverish mind came up with this: Renard stole Egglamore's body,did/said something innapropriate while in this shape - thus ruining the Surma-Egglamore relationship. How is Egglamore still alive? Renard jumped from his body to Sivo. Egglamore's friends turned him into a construct/half robot half human in an attempt to save him. that would explain Eggie's super powers (think bionic woman style - yes I am disclosing my age here). Of course, Tom's statement quite contradicts this. But then, you can understand his statement in different ways, The Eggers we know today is not the Eggers that was before Renard destroyed him. We have a Wild Spec thread for a reason. Also, usually when Tom shoots down a theory, he damn well means it. |
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Post by Tanya on Dec 17, 2008 20:09:01 GMT
I see. But this wasn't a very nice way to say that.
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Post by Shunpike on Dec 17, 2008 20:27:55 GMT
All this is making me rethink Rey's protectiveness towards Annie.
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Post by snes on Dec 17, 2008 20:47:51 GMT
Wow, I thought Raynardine was always able to swap bodies, like it was just what he did! I never expected that he got that from Coyote!
I guess he took over Sivo sometime after he was captured perhaps.
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Post by lingus on Dec 17, 2008 21:47:06 GMT
Based on Tom's comment, I hereby rescind my theory that Raynard killed Annie's dad...
Still, him running around as a ghost while everyone thinks he's really alive... it could totally work in Gunnerkrig's world. I still think everyone's argument against my case has no valid standing considering there's ghosts and what not in the comic already... He could have been at the hospital as a ghost. He could still be running around as a ghost, doing ghosty type stuff. And he could still meet up with Annie in 2 years (as her narration suggests) as a ghost...
But no. Tom said I don't know who the "young man" is, so I'm rescinding my theory, as I had posted that I had the right to do...
so XP
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Post by Dominic on Dec 17, 2008 22:26:48 GMT
The only thing that seems some sort of clear to me is that it's someone who was pretty darn close to Surma&co - that'd nicely explain their hostility towards Reynardine. I'm not even going to bother wondering who, exactly - if Tom says I don't know I'm pretty sure I won't know.
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Post by fishf00d on Dec 18, 2008 5:05:25 GMT
I sincerely doubt that reynardine is annie's dad/ anything else. Also we don't have nearly enough information to start speculating about the finer points of backstory that we are only beginning to learn about.
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In fact I'm far more likely to be an expert in not always thinking things through. I'd take anything I say with a grain of salt. ;D
