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Post by Yin on Dec 8, 2008 8:00:27 GMT
Oh my! That rather explains Aly's parents, I think. (not around next few updates)
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Post by eightyfour on Dec 8, 2008 8:07:50 GMT
I wouldn't ask a creature that is able to bend reality to it's will something like "was that real". ;D
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Post by tetsamaru on Dec 8, 2008 8:28:23 GMT
This sounds like a "Circle of Life" kinda thing. Remember the faries people? So that would mean when the faeries get bored of Human life, they can just come back to the forest or something. possibly be reborn as a forest creature.
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Post by Kuraru on Dec 8, 2008 10:13:46 GMT
Maybe Annie's dad is a forest creature, or is doing a test to become a forest creature like Aly's parents had to...
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Post by Chrome on Dec 8, 2008 10:45:24 GMT
Oh I'm going to go one step further on that Kuraru. What if Surma didn't die, but rather, went to the Wood? Well, think about it--that'd definitely cure her ailment. She would have had to sacrifice a few things, including being with Annie. But ya know, it would give a reason to send Annie to the Court for further schooling.... On another note, to go with your speculation, there's mention at the end of Annie's first year that she didn't hear from her father for more than two years. I just got a possible idea of how that happens--he just emerges from the Wood as an animal and asks to speak with her. That'll be interesting. Ohwait. This could set up why Anthony even disappeared in the first place if Surma became a creature of the Wood...he disappeared into the Wood as well to be with her?
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Post by todd on Dec 8, 2008 11:44:36 GMT
If Anthony *did* decide to become a creature of the Wood (or if Surma did - though that would have meant faking her death, and I'm not sure how she could have done that, since we know that Annie was there at the time and must have even seen the Guide come for her), he evidently didn't make the same kind of arrangement as Aly's parents did; Annie's still clearly human and not changing into anything. (Unless it's taken him a long time to carry out the test.)
And now we know why Shadow2 couldn't cross the Annan river. I wonder whether the Court knowingly and deliberately did that to the river (as a defense against the forest-folk?), or if it was a side-effect of one of their experiments.
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Post by Rasselas on Dec 8, 2008 12:21:19 GMT
Coyote expressed his sadness about Surma's passing, so I doubt it's that.
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Post by snes on Dec 8, 2008 14:54:16 GMT
Hmmmm...Coyote's wording ("The Court had done something) sounds like he doesn't know exactly what they did. At least it sounds that way to me.
Coyote looks really cool in this comic for some reason. I can't really explain it, but he looks a bit different from before.
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Post by penguinfactory on Dec 8, 2008 17:35:31 GMT
The power station controls the process that makes the Annan waters impassable. I totally called it first (even though the river has probably been like that for ages and the power station is obviously fairly modern but whatever) I like how Aly's story, which seemed like a disconnected side-story at first, now turns out to be important to the Gunnerverse mythos. That's some good storytelling right there. I don't think Surma and/or Annie's dad became forest creatures. Surma in particular strikes me as the sort of person who'd tell Annie if she was going to do that.
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Post by Refugee on Dec 8, 2008 19:47:57 GMT
"...When they shun their humanity, we welcome them...."
To me, this has a rather ominous ring to it.
There does seem to be a reciprocal arrangement as well, demonstrated (as some have noted) by the region-fairies. However, I get the impression that the Court is somewhat more tolerant of the forest folk than the other way round.
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Post by Shunpike on Dec 9, 2008 3:06:51 GMT
Maybe this is why Coyote invited Annie here? For some unknown reason, he might want her to "shun her humanity" and become a part of whatever is going on in the Wood.
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Post by emptypiro on Dec 9, 2008 3:18:49 GMT
That would be a good assumption about Surma If Coyote wasn't Surprised at her death.
If the fairies had to die to become human then why didnt Aly have to die?
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Post by Chrome on Dec 9, 2008 5:54:35 GMT
Dangit, thanks for the points. I kept forgetting about the sadness bit. Even Reynardine would've known, given his connections... Ohwell. Fun theory though.
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Post by todd on Dec 9, 2008 11:45:43 GMT
Maybe this is why Coyote invited Annie here? For some unknown reason, he might want her to "shun her humanity" and become a part of whatever is going on in the Wood. I can guess at one possible reason why Coyote would want Annie to give up her humanity. We learned in Chapter Fourteen that Coyote wants Reynardine to return to Gillitie, and that he suspects that Reynardine's refusal is because of his connections to Annie. If Annie were to renounce her humanity and become an inhabitant of Gillitie Wood, Reynardine would no longer be tied to the Court, and it would be far easier for Coyote to persuade him to return to the forest.
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Post by fjodor on Dec 9, 2008 12:22:57 GMT
There is some sort of contradiction in Coyote's words: he says he made the divide between GC and GW, making it sound as if it was not the Court's will, but then it becomes clear that the people from the Court made the division more permanent by 'doing something to the water'. In addition, the bridge could only be made on the Court's terms, assumably insisting on a construction that would make it impossible for the Glass eyed Men to cross on their own.
So I think that the division was much more an idea from the Court than Coyote tells Annie.
Old questions that have become more important in my opinion:
- how did Shadow 2 end up in GC? - How did the White Lady cross the Annan waters?
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Post by cenit on Dec 9, 2008 13:12:00 GMT
they were there to begin with... or they relate to the old gang (Surma & friends) adventures
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Post by todd on Dec 9, 2008 23:29:54 GMT
Looking over my speculation above that Coyote might be planning to offer Annie a new body in Gillitie Wood so that she won't be in Gunnerkrigg anchoring Reynardine there:
It occurred to me after I posted that that there is one possible hole in Coyote's plan (though I don't think it's one he'd be aware of). If Annie did get a new body and become an animal, she'd probably do what Alistair did: give all her worldly possessions away to Kat before she left. That would include Reynardine, who would now be linked to Kat and still unable to leave the Court without her permission. (Annie would be far more likely to give the wolf doll to Kat than to Eglamore or the other grown-ups at the Court.)
I don't hold that against Coyote, since I don't think he knows about Annie owning Reynardine's current body. There's no reason why he should have found out that Reynardine's now in a plush toy, since he (Reynardine) showed up at the Court in Chapter Fourteen in his white wolf-form throughout.
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Post by fishf00d on Dec 10, 2008 0:02:29 GMT
I don't think that coyote directly wants annie in the forest, otherwise you would think he would have done the same for Surma. Annie is Surma's daughter so coyote might se her as the "heir" to the mediation job. We know that both Annie and her mother had natural affiliations with etheric beings, so I don't see why it seemed so odd that coyote wanted to speak with her.
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Post by Rasselas on Dec 10, 2008 7:23:00 GMT
This is a really long shot, but what if Shadow 2 is someone who was a human before, but then went to the forest, figured out shadowhood isn't all it's cracked to be and wanted to return to the Court? Also, what if robots are made of imprisoned shadow people? *gasp*
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