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Post by Yin on Oct 13, 2008 6:59:02 GMT
Say what? Tom, you have confused me all over again.
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Post by ecomono on Oct 13, 2008 7:00:01 GMT
*insert about 30 seconds of incomprehensible babbling here*
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Post by edzepp on Oct 13, 2008 7:03:47 GMT
I had the oddest feeling this would happen. Kat's reappearance a few strips earlier seemed a little anticlimactic and a little too convenient. I wouldn't say I called it, but there you go.
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Post by eightyfour on Oct 13, 2008 7:04:51 GMT
Someone is angry. Someone is very, very angry. You wouldn't like her when she's angry... I certainly hope Gamma knew what she was doing when she gop'd Kat (or, what appeared to be Kat)...  |
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Post by chibisoma on Oct 13, 2008 7:05:59 GMT
Well, that explains why Gamma was touching normal people back on the rooftop. They can appear as perfect dopplegangers. Not everything in Zimmy's Nightmare World is terrifying or Nobody-based, it seems.
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Post by eldras on Oct 13, 2008 7:07:00 GMT
That page really scared me.
So...Was Annie creating a replica of Kat inside of Zimmy's mind? It's that possible?
I hope Kat is safe outside there...
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Post by ecomono on Oct 13, 2008 7:08:22 GMT
Well, that explains why Gamma was touching normal people back on the rooftop. They can appear as perfect dopplegangers. Not everything in Zimmy's Nightmare World is terrifying or Nobody-based, it seems. Explains nothing of the sort. Annie was holding "Kat" by the hand in 467. |
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Post by Mesías on Oct 13, 2008 7:08:43 GMT
... Kat... Annie's expression... I'm speechless. I hope Kat is safe outside there... We all hope so. |
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Post by monkmunk on Oct 13, 2008 7:25:48 GMT
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Jeez freaking gosh heck!
I love this comic so much.
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Post by jokerjester on Oct 13, 2008 7:33:22 GMT
This kind of makes me wonder the intentions of the nobodies. I mean, earlier Z was making them out to be some kind of bogeyman, but the Kat nobody just wanted to pal around...or something. If Kat was indeed a nobody, what was it 'she' wanted to do?
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Post by sml350spc on Oct 13, 2008 7:44:00 GMT
I've been reading for a couple years but registered just now because this is the tensest moment yet by far. You know what happens when you "GOP" in the Matrix  Hope real Kat is ok |
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Post by Count Casimir on Oct 13, 2008 7:50:39 GMT
Eeeep. Gamma's lack of hesitation makes it seem as if she's disintegrated one of those perfect doppelgangers before, without consequence. I certainly hope that's the case, anyway. Put me on the list of people hoping Kat's okay. Well, that explains why Gamma was touching normal people back on the rooftop. They can appear as perfect dopplegangers. Not everything in Zimmy's Nightmare World is terrifying or Nobody-based, it seems. Explains nothing of the sort. Annie was holding "Kat" by the hand in 467.Just making us all the more confused. I think two phrases can be derived from the look on Annie's face: "That's a new one," and "Uh oh." |
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Post by Refugee on Oct 13, 2008 7:57:02 GMT
I'm worried that the last two panels mean that Annie's been left behind....
No, worse: that Zimmy created the goppable Kat specifically to make Annie allow her to get Gamma.
And if Zimmy will lie to Gamma about everyone else thinking she's ugly and stupid, will she balk at lying to Annie about others being left behind?
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Post by bellerophon on Oct 13, 2008 7:58:10 GMT
This kind of makes me wonder the intentions of the nobodies. I mean, earlier Z was making them out to be some kind of bogeyman, but the Kat nobody just wanted to pal around...or something. If Kat was indeed a nobody, what was it 'she' wanted to do? Well, that explains why Gamma was touching normal people back on the rooftop. They can appear as perfect dopplegangers. Not everything in Zimmy's Nightmare World is terrifying or Nobody-based, it seems. Explains nothing of the sort. Annie was holding "Kat" by the hand in 467.Both of these could be explained by the fact that Annie was the one who generated FauxKat. It's conceivable that you can't GOP away your own imagination's creations. Or that you need to actually exert some kind of mental pressue against them, which Annie may have been doing unconciously when she first tried to emulate Gamma touching people, which she wouldn't have done when she took Kat's hand. And it's possible that the reason that the nobodies are a problem is because they're a product of Zimmy's screwed-up psyche. |
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Post by strainofthought on Oct 13, 2008 7:58:35 GMT
Casimir your comment brings up a question I hadn't thought of- where is Annie looking in panel six? I assumed she was giving the crazy-face to Gamma- note Gamma's somewhat fearful expression in the next panel- but your comment makes me realize she might have been looking at where the Kat-Nobody was, which would give it a very different meaning.
But either way, dang. That is one crazy face.
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Post by ecomono on Oct 13, 2008 8:00:06 GMT
Both of these could be explained by the fact that Annie was the one who generated FauxKat. It's conceivable that you can't GOP away your own imagination's creations. That makes a lot of sense, actually. A lot of what we've seen already implies that this place takes its traits from the minds inside it... |
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Post by inhumandecency on Oct 13, 2008 9:01:12 GMT
Both of these could be explained by the fact that Annie was the one who generated FauxKat. It's conceivable that you can't GOP away your own imagination's creations. That makes a lot of sense, actually. A lot of what we've seen already implies that this place takes its traits from the minds inside it... Yeah, I think that's it. The other thing I'm thinking is that the Kat we saw was too good. She couldn't have been a random nobody spirit, and while I think the idea that Zimmy generated her to appease Annie is hella clever, I don't think zimmy could have done it either. So the options are that Annie was creating it (or at least giving it form), or that it really was Kat there, just astrally projecting or somesuch rather than actually drawn into that world. In either case, Annie didn't GOP her because she believed. That would also fit with the hypothesis that the nobodies are creations of zimmy's, and that the mountain of stuffed animals was just a manifestation of Gamma's profound chillitude. That also implies that Annie was only able to get rid of the nobodies because Zimmy told her she was. If Zimmy had conveyed her own fear of them to Annie, they would have really been in trouble. |
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Post by inhumandecency on Oct 13, 2008 9:09:53 GMT
Casimir your comment brings up a question I hadn't thought of- where is Annie looking in panel five? I assumed she was giving the crazy-face to Gamma- note Gamma's somewhat fearful expression in the next panel- but your comment makes me realize she might have been looking at where the Kat-Nobody was, which would give it a very different meaning. This is true. I initially interpreted her face as "oh god I was touching that?" But I think I was projecting -- that's more how I'd feel. So let's see: on one hand: Given the protectiveness Annie was showing before, I can see how that sight could make her absolutely murderous, without taking the time to question what had actually happened. And Gamma does look pretty scared. She's not looking at Zimmy, she's looking past her, presumably at Annie. On the other: As before, she might be more concerned about Kat than about what's going on for anyone else. She suddenly has to consider whether that was really Kat, what happened if it was, and what the heck was happening to her otherwise. She might just be freaked out. The expression on her face seems angry, but the sweat says "I'm about to have a breakdown" instead. I also think she's biting her lower lip, another sign of distress but not anger. And Gamma is shy enough that the sight of someone threatening to lose it probably scares her whether or not it's directed at her. Either way, that was really disturbing. |
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Post by eightyfour on Oct 13, 2008 9:13:50 GMT
My main problem right now is, we don't really know anything about Gamma and her intentions in all this. While I certainly don't think she's a "bad girl" who intentionally wants to hurt Annie or Kat, I don't know just how much of a "good girl" she is. How much does she know about the fake Kat and whether "gopping" her would have any effect on the real Kat? Does she even care? Or is all she cares about Zimmy and getting her out of the nightmare realm? If you look at Gamma's little smile with her eyes half closed, in the last panel of the previous page and take it out of context, you could call it either tired or mischievous. Heh, I'm pretty negative today, am I?  |
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Post by etcetera on Oct 13, 2008 9:21:00 GMT
Zimmy is now officially a source of pure creepiness and horror. All hail the uncanny valley!!
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Post by strainofthought on Oct 13, 2008 10:14:45 GMT
My main problem right now is, we don't really know anything about Gamma and her intentions in all this. While I certainly don't think she's a "bad girl" who intentionally wants to hurt Annie or Kat, I don't know just how much of a "good girl" she is. [ ... stuff .... ] If you look at Gamma's little smile with her eyes half closed, in the last panel of the previous page and take it out of context, you could call it either tired or mischievous. Reading your comment and looking back, I see the frightening interpretation that Gamma is exhausted, in a euphoric state of detachment, and not really paying much attention to what she's doing. Or who she's popping. But then, you'd almost have to be out of your mind with exhaustion to destroy an extremely convincing illusion of someone's friend without trying to give them some warning first. A little Polish could have come in real handy there, Gamma. Let's play a semi-humorous little game called "What is Annie thinking in panel 6?" I'll start: (Looking at Gamma) "You killed my best friend without even asking first?!" |
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Post by p13volution on Oct 13, 2008 10:36:03 GMT
My main problem right now is, we don't really know anything about Gamma and her intentions in all this. While I certainly don't think she's a "bad girl" who intentionally wants to hurt Annie or Kat, I don't know just how much of a "good girl" she is. How much does she know about the fake Kat and whether "gopping" her would have any effect on the real Kat? Does she even care? Or is all she cares about Zimmy and getting her out of the nightmare realm? If you look at Gamma's little smile with her eyes half closed, in the last panel of the previous page and take it out of context, you could call it either tired or mischievous. Heh, I'm pretty negative today, am I? I think if Gamma spends all night and day GOP'ing these nobodies, suddenly blowing one away without much thought is a normal everyday response to her. Nothing sinister about that. Plus, she's half-asleep (or at least she looks it) ... I know I don't have all of my discretion minutes after waking up. |
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Post by inhumandecency on Oct 13, 2008 11:29:16 GMT
I just realized... Kat walked right over there and took Gamma's hand. She seemed totally innocent and unaware of what was going to happen. That argues against her being an aetheric being who was maliciously (or even deliberately) deceiving the others. And since she took Gamma's hand even when Annie didn't want her to, that also means she's not solely a figment of Annie's imagination. So whether her Katness came from Kat or Annie, she seems to have been honest and independent. That still doesn't fully explain her behavior to me, though. I think if Gamma spends all night and day GOP'ing these nobodies, suddenly blowing one away without much thought is a normal everyday response to her. Nothing sinister about that. Plus, she's half-asleep (or at least she looks it) ... I know I don't have all of my discretion minutes after waking up. I wonder if she's aware that the thing she gopped appeared to be Kat. Maybe Annie's belief in it affected Zimmy, but not Gamma. In which case she's scared because she has no idea what Annie's freaking out about. |
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Post by AluK on Oct 13, 2008 11:39:26 GMT
No, worse: that Zimmy created the goppable Kat specifically to make Annie allow her to get Gamma. That. I think Zimmy (sub)consciously created ungoppable Kat, so Annie should shut up and they could get to find Gamma. Also, a neat trick to get out of the pinch Annie put her in. |
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Post by etcetera on Oct 13, 2008 11:44:08 GMT
Oh, and one more thing. Since Kat wasn't real, the following conversation will NOT take place as soon as they get out of Zimmy's mind:
"Wait a minute, didn't you just had a cut across your face?" - "Huh? What cut?".
And I don't think Zimmy and Gamma will tell Annie this time, either. They already missed two perfectly good occasions.
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Post by monkeysmurklins on Oct 13, 2008 13:16:41 GMT
I don't think Gamma looks scared, just concerned.
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Post by kaziklu on Oct 13, 2008 14:46:28 GMT
Unsettling.
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Post by chibisoma on Oct 13, 2008 15:12:16 GMT
*I* think Gamma's looking at Zimmy, who apparently just latched onto her like a little lost puppy. Zimmy's seemed a little off all chapter.
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Post by Tanya on Oct 13, 2008 15:28:28 GMT
I wonder whether gopped-Kat was projected by Annie or Zimmy. On one hand it could have been a manuever by Zimmy to get Annie going, on the other hand she could certianly have been projected by Annie into this reality, and she doesn't have the scarred-vacant-eye look the other "nobodies" zimmy had projected had and she did speak and communicate normaly. And, of course - I wonder - how is this going to affect real world Kat? and did Zimmy and Gamma just leave Annie behind?
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Post by Hazel on Oct 13, 2008 15:38:44 GMT
"Nunna yer other friends..." Other friends. Meaning... Zimmy considers herself and Gamma as Annie's friends now? Well maybe I just have an odd definition of 'friend', but that seems like a pretty heavy statement to make.
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