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Post by popo on Oct 10, 2008 7:00:02 GMT
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Post by edzepp on Oct 10, 2008 7:01:48 GMT
Is that a Jinxlet from Starslip Crisis in there? Oh Tom.
And I do believe that's Roast Beef and Ray from Achewood just to the left of that giant orange teddy bear. Love it!
AND the Marshmallow Kitty from Girly? This is cameo city right here. ;D
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Post by inhumandecency on Oct 10, 2008 7:02:28 GMT
That's... not what I expected.
</understatement>
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Post by inhumandecency on Oct 10, 2008 7:06:32 GMT
She even has a little ring of D&D miniatures standing guard.
Perhaps reminiscent of the ring of books on the ground that someone pointed out in her very first appearance (except that everything's not horrible).
Also: This chapter has been disturbing and sometimes difficult for me to read, but if it means Gamma got to take a nap, it will all have been worth it.
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Post by popo on Oct 10, 2008 7:11:52 GMT
And I do believe that's Roast Beef and Ray from Achewood just to the left of that giant orange teddy bear. Love it! man how did I not notice that |
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Post by eightyfour on Oct 10, 2008 7:16:26 GMT
That's... not what I expected. It's actually pretty close to what I expected. Well, I didn't expect quite as many plushies.  One thing I wonder about though is that Z&G's clothes have changed inside the nightmare realm, while Annie and Kat are still wearing thir standard issue trench coats. Somebody probalby pointed that out already, though. |
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Post by Refugee on Oct 10, 2008 7:17:56 GMT
This is almost unbearably tender. Zimmy's expression in panel 2 is particulary heartbreaking.
It's tempting to think that Zimmy's world is generated by her bad attitude, but I think the opposite is true: She desperately wants to see the world as Gamma does. She hates the world she generates around/inside herself.
Please, please, find a way to heal Zimmy.
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Is the bull on the right from Sparkling Generation Valkyrie Yuuki?
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Post by inhumandecency on Oct 10, 2008 7:29:03 GMT
One thing I wonder about though is that Z&G's clothes have changed inside the nightmare realm, while Annie and Kat are still wearing thir standard issue trench coats. Somebody probalby pointed that out already, though. Those are the same clothes Zimmy was wearing in her flashbacks in chapter 11. I guess they're her Dark World outfit. Note especially strip #194 where she's having a flashback (not the narrative kind this time, the acid kind) and we see her in those clothes -- except where Annie is touching her, where a very small area turns back to the school uniform she's wearing in reality. Gamma, on the other hand, is wearing very different clothes from what she had in the flashback. Did she create them with her powers of not-horribleness? Or perhaps she found them on the non-horrible clothing racks we can see in the distance in the last panel of Wednesday's strip. Of course, it's possible that Zimmy is able to whatever Gamma did, and maybe she just doesn't care. She's not very interested in clothes at the best of times, and this isn't the best of times. |
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Post by inhumandecency on Oct 10, 2008 7:37:15 GMT
This is almost unbearably tender. Zimmy's expression in panel 2 is particulary heartbreaking. What do you make of Zimmy's expression in panel 2? It's vulnerable in a way that really gets me, but I can't read it otherwise. If I saw it out of context I'd say she looked worried about someone she loved. |
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Post by inhumandecency on Oct 10, 2008 8:13:42 GMT
It's tempting to think that Zimmy's world is generated by her bad attitude, but I think the opposite is true: She desperately wants to see the world as Gamma does. She hates the world she generates around/inside herself. This page looks like it puts a nail in the coffin for the hypothesis that they're in a fully real place that objectively is the way we've been seeing it. Still, I hope it turns out to have a substantial real component and not be entirely a reflection of Zimmy's inner turmoil (I'm assuming that's what you mean by "the world she generates," though I may be wrong). I'm generally biased against that trope, partly because I've rarely seen it done well, partly because I find it a little smarmy, and partly because I tend to see change and healing as coming from without as well as within. We learn from the people and events around us and open to new ways of seeing them. We decide who we're going to be partly based on what lets us relate to others and what supports us in doing the things we want to do. So it rings a little false to me when a character's problems disappear because of entirely internal changes. This is my view based both on training in psychology and on having spent a lot of time trying to become less crazy myself. Of course, others see it differently, and I wouldn't say they're wrong. That said, I'm certainly not going to take Tom to task if the story doesn't go the way I want. GC is a great story with wonderful characters, and it would take a lot more than this to make me anything other than appreciative. Also, he's obviously put a lot more love & thought into these characters than I have, and is probably taking them where they need to go. So I'm content and looking forward to more. edit: Sorry, I don't mean to be flooding the forum. I'm just at a temporary fan-obsessiveness peak. I'm done for the night. |
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Post by illusionist on Oct 10, 2008 9:31:32 GMT
I love the little Warhammer soldiers around Gamma. Only problem is, she seems to have a Chaos soldier in there.
Also, Tom, it's rude to call Gamma a "thing".
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Post by Count Casimir on Oct 10, 2008 9:45:46 GMT
er...careful of the triple post, decency.
Gamma seems to have this habit, even to the audience, of being a huge relief, and a beautiful tension breaker on every page she's in. It's a great feeling.
And I love the cameos.
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Post by gaia on Oct 10, 2008 11:05:01 GMT
I'm reminded of Sleeping Beauty. Or Snow White. Or goddess worship.
Yeah, Zimmy's probably a Gammaist.
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Post by wanderer on Oct 10, 2008 11:09:01 GMT
This is almost unbearably tender. Zimmy's expression in panel 2 is particulary heartbreaking. It's tempting to think that Zimmy's world is generated by her bad attitude, but I think the opposite is true: She desperately wants to see the world as Gamma does. She hates the world she generates around/inside herself. Please, please, find a way to heal Zimmy. You're taking the words out of my mouth. I think there is nothing she'd want more than to be free of this nightmare forever. To be able to simply LIVE, without hell using her mind as a playground. To be able to find something cheerful amongst the darkness, as Gamma does, even in the worst of times. Remember as well, on this trip Annie and Kat have barely seen a fragment of the things that torment Zimmy. Creepy as the nobodies are, we saw the giant spider and mutated dragon that stalked Zimmy in this place before when she lacked Gamma's protection. This is not just a "slightly creepy" little world. This is insanity, and Zimmy is trapped in it. |
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Post by agasa on Oct 10, 2008 11:33:58 GMT
It's tempting to think that Zimmy's world is generated by her bad attitude, but I think the opposite is true: She desperately wants to see the world as Gamma does. She hates the world she generates around/inside herself. This page looks like it puts a nail in the coffin for the hypothesis that they're in a fully real place that objectively is the way we've been seeing it. Still, I hope it turns out to have a substantial real component and not be entirely a reflection of Zimmy's inner turmoil (I'm assuming that's what you mean by "the world she generates," though I may be wrong). I'm generally biased against that trope, partly because I've rarely seen it done well, partly because I find it a little smarmy, and partly because I tend to see change and healing as coming from without as well as within. We learn from the people and events around us and open to new ways of seeing them. We decide who we're going to be partly based on what lets us relate to others and what supports us in doing the things we want to do. So it rings a little false to me when a character's problems disappear because of entirely internal changes. This is my view based both on training in psychology and on having spent a lot of time trying to become less crazy myself. Of course, others see it differently, and I wouldn't say they're wrong. That said [...] I'm content and looking forward to more. My exact thoughts entirely. This is the point i was trying to say the other day, but i worded it too shortly and without thinking of my words, thus i accidentally offended Tom. I apologize again to him. Thank You, dececy, for giving better words to me for expressing my thoughts than my own. Edit: so, i decided not to think about stuff so much, at least for today. today's comic is too sweet for thinking over it. Also, that pudgy penguin is something i would like to hug MUCH.  |
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Post by monkeysmurklins on Oct 10, 2008 13:31:27 GMT
I wonder why Zimmy looks so upset in panel 2. Does she feel guilty about forcing Gamma there? Gamma knows it's not her fault. You'd think she'd be happier now that they're reunited.
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Post by cenit on Oct 10, 2008 13:32:13 GMT
Now I fell sleepy, those dolls look kinda comfortable
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Post by chibisoma on Oct 10, 2008 14:03:23 GMT
I wonder why Zimmy looks so upset in panel 2. Does she feel guilty about forcing Gamma there? Gamma knows it's not her fault. You'd think she'd be happier now that they're reunited. More likely, it's because she's upset that she has to wake Gamma up. She's sleeping peacefully, something she doesn't get to do that often. And it doesn't look like she's been out too long - see the final panel, where she still looks exhausted. But Zimmy knows Gamma's the key to help get them out of there, so she HAS to wake her. Gamma's also got that sort of expression in the final panel. The "I'm fine waking up - I know we need to leave" expression. I dunno. That's how I interpret it, anyway. |
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Post by zingbat on Oct 10, 2008 14:13:43 GMT
There's an angry-looking duck right next to Gamma's right arm... I want that duck.
: )
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Post by Yin on Oct 10, 2008 14:56:06 GMT
This page is simply pretty sweet.
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Post by Vanessa on Oct 10, 2008 15:06:25 GMT
I had the tab with GC open for a while while I checked other webcomics and stuff (saving it for last) and when I closed the last tab before GC I forgot what I was looking at and was really confused til I saw Gamma!
This is the only webcomic where I reread the strip two or three times every day. I wonder when/if everyone else will turn up.
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Post by penguinfactory on Oct 10, 2008 15:22:41 GMT
Artiscially speaking, Tom is really on a role- I've lost count of the amount of "wow" moments I've seen recently.
This page makes me see Gamma in a very different light. Before I'd always thought of her as being very Zimmy-like, so maybe we're seeing her "true" self here.
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Post by inhumandecency on Oct 10, 2008 17:32:06 GMT
Also, Tom, it's rude to call Gamma a "thing". I just think it's more inclusive. If there's someone who "only cares about one person," that could be because they usually only care about money or fame or sequencing the turtle genome. Whereas if that person is "the only thing they care about," they're really saying that nothing matters more. At least, that's what I'd think if someone said that to me. |
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Post by cespinarve on Oct 10, 2008 17:57:27 GMT
Okay then.
Right.
Animals. Yes.
Stuffed, as well. I can see that.
Okay... good.... I can.. I can... accept this... yes... yes... okay. Right. Good.
Huh.
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Post by Refugee on Oct 10, 2008 18:28:47 GMT
What do you make of Zimmy's expression in panel 2? It's vulnerable in a way that really gets me, but I can't read it otherwise. If I saw it out of context I'd say she looked worried about someone she loved. Pretty much my reading. Vague, Handwaving Spoiler for a key point in the brilliant anime Haibane Renmei: "The Wheel of Sin". Which is my way of agreeing with you most heartily. [ I'm extremely sensitive to spoiling HR, but, damn, that makes it hard to talk about with a new crowd, and it's a real touchstone for me. Spoiler-hiding updated per Yin; thanks.] Also, Tom, it's rude to call Gamma a "thing". OK, that triggered a line of thought which is still something of muddle even to me. Thinking out loud, rather disjointedly, and I'm already having second thoughts, but: Look back at [ 455.6-8], where Gamma says, "Do they all think I'm ugly and stupid?" Annie: "No, why do you think that?" "Zimmy translates for me." I think the general impression, and certainly my own, is that this means that Zimmy is deliberately lying to Gammy about what other people are thinking. I just changed my mind. What's really going on here is that that Zimmy understands that everyone thinks she, Zimmy, is ugly and stupid. That has leaked over to Gamma, who takes it as a direct translation of Kat's "Zimmy's always like this." For a long time, I've been asking myself, what does Gamma see in Zimmy? It's clear in the last panel of today's comic, [468.5] that Gamma is actually very fond of Zimmy. It's a two-way bond. Now look at the animals and figurines surrounding and cushioning Gamma -- most of them are pretty fierce, aren't they? Kinda like Zimmy, huh? This is how Gamma sees Zimmy, why she loves Zimmy as much as Zimmy loves her. And I don't think she's wrong. She knows Zimmy better than anyone else. They are so close that when Zimmy thinks, "Everyone thinks I'm stupid and ugly", Gamma thinks "I" refers to herself. There is no "I" and "You" with these two, only "Us". And note that if we're seeing a projected reality here, Gamma's always been a part of it. Zimmy and Gamma met there. Here we see that Gamma is also generating her own version of reality, in its way every bit as unrealistic as Zimmy's. Unless, of course, Zimmy is generating this reality around Gamma. The one place where she can form happy thoughts. Random thought: Are Zimmy and Gamma separate people? (I won't even worry, now, about which one generates the other; I don't think that question means anything.) Second thought: No, I don't think so. I think this more along the lines of two people completing each other. |
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Post by Yin on Oct 10, 2008 19:04:47 GMT
[ I'm extremely sensitive to spoiling HR, but, damn, that makes it hard to talk about with a new crowd, and it's a real touchstone for me. Is there a preferred spoiler hiding technique on this board? That's the best I could find.] Use color=F1F1F1- that's the background colour for this board. |
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Post by Refugee on Oct 10, 2008 19:24:24 GMT
Use color=F1F1F1- that's the background colour for this board. Ah. Spoiler protected.Excellent! Thanks bunches. === One more thought: Taking it as given that my surmise about how close Gamma and Zimmy are is correct; given that from a tactical standpoint, it really would be more efficient to look for Gamma first, since Zimmy knew where she was, and she was close by; and most of all, given that Kat is indeed capable and self-sufficient in her own right -- Given all that, who was really being more selfish in demanding that her partner be found first [ 460.7]? Hate to say it, but I think Annie kinda blew it here. (In story terms, of course, that's a good thing -- it keeps her from being a Mary Sue.) |
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Post by Midnight Meadows on Oct 10, 2008 20:44:47 GMT
Not going to touch this thread with a 20 metre pole, except to say:
Today's page is incredibly sweet...
...like, multiple-cavity-inducing sweet.
brb, dentist.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Oct 10, 2008 22:57:38 GMT
Look back at [ 455.6-8], where Gamma says, "Do they all think I'm ugly and stupid?" Annie: "No, why do you think that?" "Zimmy translates for me." I think the general impression, and certainly my own, is that this means that Zimmy is deliberately lying to Gammy about what other people are thinking. I just changed my mind. Reread Tom's note below that comic: I don't think this necessarily disproves anything else you said. Sometimes we all do bad things to people we love. |
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Post by fishf00d on Oct 10, 2008 23:16:51 GMT
I saw Ray and Roast beef the second time I looked at it, and I was happy.
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