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Post by Yin on Sept 29, 2008 7:00:08 GMT
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Post by edzepp on Sept 29, 2008 7:01:37 GMT
A little bit, yeah.
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Post by Count Casimir on Sept 29, 2008 7:04:47 GMT
I think Annie's a bit freaked out too; she's usually much more careful about what she says. Or else Zeta's just a bit harder to be tactful to.
EDIT: Also: more Republicans.
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Post by noako on Sept 29, 2008 7:15:35 GMT
So what IS Zimmy's gift? Telepathy?
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Post by eightyfour on Sept 29, 2008 7:22:35 GMT
Annie has put her foot in her mouth before (most notably when thinking Eglamore refused to fight Jones because she's a woman). However I think Annie is quite spot-on here (although she might indeed have phrased it differently). It seems like Zimmy allows her "gift", to use Annie's term, to take control over herself. The best she does is try to fight against it and run away from it by hiding behind Gamma (and now Annie). We do of course not know if Zimmy has ever tried to gain some form of control over it and use it to her advantage - if that is even possible. But it would certainly be worth a try, if only because in the state she's in right now, Zimmy doesn't really have much to lose.
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Post by starburst98 on Sept 29, 2008 7:25:46 GMT
if harnessed would that make her power "the ability to bend reality to her liking"
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Post by jokerjester on Sept 29, 2008 7:59:06 GMT
There is an odd choice of words here: gift? Even if you were to consider conjuring nobodies a gift, who the heck wants to be able to do that? The comic from Fri even makes it look like Z is having approximately zero fun from all of this, so why does Annie suggest that it is a gift?
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Post by strainofthought on Sept 29, 2008 8:02:46 GMT
In the third panel, does it sound to anyone else like Annie now has a pretty good idea what exactly it is that Zimmy's power is? Something about her phrasing seems to imply that to me. At any rate I don't think she's suggesting Zimmy harness the power of summoning faceless nobodies to wander around blocking streets.
Zimmy's tantrum is actually touching. Poor girl has a bum deal.
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Post by eightyfour on Sept 29, 2008 8:28:45 GMT
There is an odd choice of words here: gift? Even if you were to consider conjuring nobodies a gift, who the heck wants to be able to do that? The comic from Fri even makes it look like Z is having approximately zero fun from all of this, so why does Annie suggest that it is a gift? It's an optimist's way to say: "special power that allows you to do things normal people can't do".  There's many examples of "gifted" people who actually suffer a lot under their special abilities in popular culture. Like in the Sixth Sense (WARNING: Heavy spoiler ahead!): The poor boy who can see dead poeple is pretty much a wreck, not unlike Zimmy, until he finds out that the ghosts (mostly) just want him to help sort out their unfinished business. |
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Post by mudmaniac on Sept 29, 2008 9:11:45 GMT
Well, now would be a ripe time for some EXPOSITION!!
Otherwise a perfectly good insect-ridden trash disposal unit woulda gone to waste.
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Post by todd on Sept 29, 2008 10:38:33 GMT
I hope that the Nobodies are really just hallucinations of Zimmy's made solid and not beings independent of her (such as - as people here have suggested - people who got somehow trapped in this nightmare city, as Annie and the other children have, and were transformed by it). Otherwise, Annie's response to bursting them of simply "How interesting" would be one of the most disturbing moments in the entire comic.
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Post by monkeysmurklins on Sept 29, 2008 13:10:22 GMT
Annie doesn't know what all Zimmy sees. As far as she's can tell, Zimmy just sees nobodies all the time, and sometimes the nobodies become real. And nobodies aren't too bad. You touch and they disappear. She also doesn't know why Zimmy's afraid of them, as they haven't done anything but go "gop." So to her, telling Zimmy to control her "gift" wouldn't seem like such a bad thing to say.
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Post by cenit on Sept 29, 2008 13:17:54 GMT
I think that Annie has a good idea of what's going, and maybe by touching the nobodies she gained some understanding into Z abilities. I think, if she can project an space-like reality (the city), then it's a pretty great ability.
Of course, to Z who has lived her live in fear of the nobodies, and who couldn't probably tell what's real and what is she projecting, this is no fun at all.
Although IF she could control it.... imagine the posiibilities
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Post by dragonmage06 on Sept 29, 2008 15:46:57 GMT
Poor Zimmy, I do feel bad for her. However, I'm hoping that this might be a lead-in to some of her backstory, which I'm sure will be absolutely fascinating.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 29, 2008 17:49:41 GMT
I hope that the Nobodies are really just hallucinations of Zimmy's made solid and not beings independent of her (such as - as people here have suggested - people who got somehow trapped in this nightmare city, as Annie and the other children have, and were transformed by it). Otherwise, Annie's response to bursting them of simply "How interesting" would be one of the most disturbing moments in the entire comic. Agreed. Hopefully they aren't trapped spirits or Zimmy's power isn't parallel universe overlap... or if it is another dimension/universe then hopefully Antimony is just popping them back to where they belong. It'd be sort of twisted if Antimony was killing people, however innocently. If she didn't like the violence in GTA I wonder how she'd react if she found out she had. |
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Post by kaziklu on Sept 29, 2008 19:09:47 GMT
The only thing I see is a scared little girl that needs a hug.
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Post by edisoninari on Sept 29, 2008 19:38:36 GMT
In the third panel, does it sound to anyone else like Annie now has a pretty good idea what exactly it is that Zimmy's power is? Something about her phrasing seems to imply that to me. At any rate I don't think she's suggesting Zimmy harness the power of summoning faceless nobodies to wander around blocking streets. Zimmy's tantrum is actually touching. Poor girl has a bum deal. I was thinking the same thing. Annie isn't the type to blurt out insensitive things. Maybe she's using her training and practical sensibilities to test her theories out about Zimmy's abilities. |
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Post by Per on Sept 29, 2008 23:39:29 GMT
Nitpick: the girls' relative positions in panel 3 makes it look like Zimmy's reaction precedes Annie's remark.
Also, for some reason Zimmy in panel 7 looks like she could have been drawn by Nicholas Gurevitch. Anyone else see that?
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Post by starburst98 on Sept 29, 2008 23:41:22 GMT
wait, where did that trashcan come from anyway? notice how energy seems to form around her and then she grabs it? i think it popped out of no where just in time to be grabbed.
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Post by monkeysmurklins on Sept 29, 2008 23:55:21 GMT
The trashcan came from Hammerspace, silly. The ability to access it is part of Zimmy's "gift."
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Post by King Mir on Sept 30, 2008 0:35:14 GMT
wait, where did that trashcan come from anyway? notice how energy seems to form around her and then she grabs it? i think it popped out of no where just in time to be grabbed. Maybe, but it could also have just been on her right -- out of sight of panel 4, and further along the path than can be seen in panel 2. |
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Post by King Mir on Sept 30, 2008 0:46:37 GMT
On a different note, this page highlights a symmetry between Annie and Zimmy: both have grown up seeing things that others can't. Except largely due to her mother's presence, Annie grew not to fear them, or other scary monsters like basil or the Rogat Orjak. Zimmy on the other hand seems to have grown up alone, and fears the apparitions still.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Sept 30, 2008 0:55:48 GMT
Those lines around Zimmy's head kind of remind me of the effects from the Donlans' magic. Also, for some reason Zimmy in panel 7 looks like she could have been drawn by Nicholas Gurevitch. Anyone else see that? Are you referring to the "doughboy" people that Nick G draws? |
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Post by Count Casimir on Sept 30, 2008 6:07:55 GMT
Minor detail noticed!
Look at panel 7: The nobodies lined up watching Zimmy are reacting with shock and surprise as she throws the trashcan. This is not your classic scary grayworld, where the faceless people pay no attention to the visitors.
Has it been theorized that the nobodies are actually ghosts who have moved on, or are in the process of doing so? If not, I put the idea forth.
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Post by xolejh on Sept 30, 2008 6:27:06 GMT
I think the nobodies are just nobodies, but the trash can toss may have startled them into activity.
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Post by drdave on Sept 30, 2008 9:29:26 GMT
Two things come to my mind:
- This is the first time that a character (zimmy herself) makes a notion about her eyes. All other took it for granted up until now. strange?
- Annie has a way of pushing these etherium worlds back into reality, remember C16 "A Ghost Story". I think she could pop the whole bubble if she just tried. Also she knows nothing of the spiders yet.
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Post by eightyfour on Sept 30, 2008 9:50:45 GMT
- This is the first time that a character (zimmy herself) makes a notion about her eyes. Hmm, I though with "be like this" Zimmy was more referring to her psychic state than her physical. |
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Post by Per on Sept 30, 2008 17:10:14 GMT
Are you referring to the "doughboy" people that Nick G draws? Yup, it's a vague impression based on the hair, face and posture combined. Also the mouth looks a bit like a Buckley mouth in isolation, but I thought it would be less polite to mention that. |
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Post by Mezzaphor on Sept 30, 2008 21:38:15 GMT
Yup, it's a vague impression based on the hair, face and posture combined. Also the mouth looks a bit like a Buckley mouth in isolation, but I thought it would be less polite to mention that. There's nothing inherently wrong with that mouth shape; Buckley's error is that he overuses it. Mr Siddell (obviously) doesn't. |
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Post by wanderer on Sept 30, 2008 22:16:26 GMT
Think carefully now. You have the power to reshape reality. You also have freaksih hallucinations that said power tends to make real. How would YOU control it, hmm? What muscle do you use to exercise your reality warpage? Do you have ANY clue at all? How do you "control" an unnatural power? It's not like it's instinct, like moving an arm or a leg.
Focus your mind, you think? Great... maybe that would help. Maybe. But, little problem: Zimmy CAN'T. Her mind's filled with static, remember? Like an untuned radio that's picking up fragments of 20 different stations, but doesn't get any one of them clearly. Her mind is a storm of hell.
Control it... Easy to say. Try living in that nightmare yourself for a while, and see how well you fare.
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There's many examples of "gifted" people who actually suffer a lot under their special abilities in popular culture.
