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Post by Yin on Sept 5, 2008 7:01:20 GMT
Oh dear. Looks like they thought the others were statues or some such? And Gamma found that they were alive and told Zimmy so telepathically, I suppose.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Sept 5, 2008 7:15:32 GMT
With social skills like that, it's a wonder that Zimmy doesn't have more friends.
I assumed Gamma just put her hand on Matt's face by accident, because she's really tired. And Zimmy was just ignoring the other kids because she's really preoccupied by the power station.
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Post by eightyfour on Sept 5, 2008 7:18:45 GMT
Oh dear. Looks like they thought the others were statues or some such? And Gamma found that they were alive and told Zimmy so telepathically, I suppose. My first though was that Gamma read Matt's mind and found something there that upset her. But I guess your idea makes more sense (there has been no indication so far that Gamma has any other telepathic abilities than her contact with Zimmy). Zimmy might have one of her episodes again where she's seeing things that may or may not actually be there. Maybe this is starting to affect Gamma and she wanted to confirm that Matt wasn't actually there at all. Which much to her and Zimmy's surprise, turned out to be wrong.
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Post by La Poire on Sept 5, 2008 7:28:59 GMT
I think gamma is just upset someone is touching her. Although she did in fact lean on him. But it's Z&G. doesnt have to make sense.
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Post by gaia on Sept 5, 2008 8:17:49 GMT
Zimmy looks very pissed off at the power station. I think it's displeased her in some way.
I wonder if the smoky links between their heads are visible to everyone else, because usually Z&G communicating isn't shown.
If Gamma was just leaning on whatshisface because she was tired, wouldn't she have put her hand on his shoulder? And she's perfectly upright, so it seems more deliberate to me. Plus, in panel five that looks more like shock and fear than embarrassment at sticking her hand all over someone's face.
I agree with eightyfour - Zimmy ignores the group completely, which is normal, but Gamma not even giving them a sheepish smile is a bit odd. So now either she's realized they're real, or she thinks they're some of Zimmy's hallucinations that have become real.
It looks like the circle over Zimmy's heart has gotten bigger. I theorize that it's a target for snipers.
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Post by Tenjen on Sept 5, 2008 9:21:25 GMT
Either that or she has noticed the others and just wished to see why they were here, but was otherwise preoccupied with whatever is troubling Zimmy [and thus her too].
Are they having a strong episode due to the experiment? and are imagining the fellows are gonna do something bad or are?
And whatever the guys were planning, ZImmy feels threatened and protective of Gamma [notice how they're holding each other and zimmy is actually stammering; they're acting like cornered animals].
Can it be that the experiment is in somehow related to Gamma and ZImmy that just wanting to watch it would make zimmy feel they're a threat to Gamma? IS it somehow setting of an episode?
Then again we dont know and cant assume just what Gamma and ZImmy are telling each other.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Sept 5, 2008 11:16:47 GMT
In panel 6, Zimmy's fingers are positioned like she's holding a gun.
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Post by Tenjen on Sept 5, 2008 13:17:27 GMT
Hmmm I keep rereading it and it seems very possible that they are in fact having an hullucination and gamma didnt think they were real till now and was quite surprised when her hand hit flesh.
And since Gamma is supposed to stop such things, is the factory is causing all this as a side affect
Gahhh cant wait for the next page!
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Post by cenit on Sept 5, 2008 13:18:59 GMT
and Annie makes a big entrance Monday, stay tuned
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CoyoteKing
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Post by CoyoteKing on Sept 5, 2008 15:48:49 GMT
Anybody else notice the little squiggly lines traveling between Zimmy and Gamma?
It's not something I remember seeing before.
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Post by lingus on Sept 5, 2008 17:28:46 GMT
Ok, can anyone explain what the first word in the last frame that Zimmy is saying? It looks like "Ger". I'm not familiar with the phrase, "Ger off". Of course, I understand a lot of the dialect is from England, and I'm American, so I may be missing something.
Aside from that confusion, that last bit there looks like Zimmy is telling them not to touch Gamma, when it was Gamma who touched the boy. Some what confusing, but then again, those girls are a bit strange.
No matter what though, I am definitely curious as to what this whole experiment is and how it relates to them. Can't wait!
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Post by Yin on Sept 5, 2008 17:36:15 GMT
Geroff=get off=get away. Geroff is basically just a slurring.
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Post by todd on Sept 5, 2008 22:42:50 GMT
Maybe Zimmy's afraid that the boys (particularly Matt) might be entertaining certain hormonal thoughts towards Gamma. (Though once Zimmy makes it clear that she's going to be protective towards Gamma, they'll all give her - Gamma - an extremely wide berth, unless they're exceptionally foolhardy.)
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Post by fuzzyone on Sept 5, 2008 23:13:09 GMT
I notice that Zimmy's speech seems very frantic, and threatened. They're both terrified of the others... Whatever occurred, It scared the bejeezus out of Gamma. I didn't think anything could scare Zimmy. Her reaction isn't anger, but FEAR. Zimmy doesn't normally appear nervous of people... else, why would she be in the Science fair in the first place? A specific impetus caused a reaction of fear from Gamma, and in turn, Zimmy. Was this because they turned out to be real? Or because of something specific Gamma was able to read from Matt when she touched him? Only time will tell. And I can't wait.
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Post by Curious George on Sept 6, 2008 9:05:26 GMT
You guys are all daft... or have crazy unsocial skills! I think Gamma sees through Zimm's eyes most of the time... that's why she looks like she's a zombie walkin' I also agree (not that it matters ) that Gamma read Matt's mind when she touched him... Standard Babylon5 psycorps rules probably apply here. Perhaps she bumped into him, and instinctively her hand crawls towards the brain waves? In any case, Zimm's whirling about makes most sense if Matt surprised her with the news of the impending experiment... And, yes, I think Matt + Gamma is in the works. Her surprise is *not* that he's real -- that's daft! -- I think she's surprised by *the other* things she read in his mind... like "wow she's gorgeous...*drool*"... Actually, the best explanation is that Zimm asked Gamma (telepathically of course) to tap whoever was nearby and find out what they know. Gamma knew Matt was there and reached straight for his head to get the best "signal". What surprised Gamma was the same thing that makes Matt say "Uh..." in his second panel. Classic boy meets girl dialog there! They're both surprised by their sudden feelings for each other... And Zimm is terrified of Gamma's momentary distraction by Matt... Zimm thinks *he* touched her... and he did... in her heart He momentarily "stole" Gamma's attention away form Zimm who can't survive without it. Hence the violent possessiveness. But notice how Zimm stutters: "I - I'll" -- she's been shaken and scared as well as upset. This is probably the first time in a long while anything has separated them for even a second... Poor Matt + Gamma! Now doesn't that make a lot more sense of it all?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Sept 6, 2008 16:00:04 GMT
If those gray lines between Zimmy and Gamma's head are indicative of psychic activity, then Gamma didn't read Matt's mind, because there are no gray lines between her and Matt.
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Post by Tenjen on Sept 6, 2008 18:58:54 GMT
Zimmy and Gamma are unique beings who share a bond. If you look at the old comics with them you'll see the same colored connection between their heads [but as thick whispy fat lines] every now and then. Not so much detail as the lines have here. Its still likely she read Matt's mind. The lines between Gamma and ZImmy arent just any psychic activity, its indicating mental communication. Gamma has no connection to Matt and thus may have to make physical contact to be able to "read" him. No she just doesnt get any sleep because if she does the world around ZImmy starts morphing into something which makes Silent Hill look like Sesame Street and stuff starts appearing that makes Pyramid Head look like Kermit the Frog. Such statements often lead to trouble over the internet without giving any reason why you think so. People here are trying to make logic of paranormal two girls who lack social skills, or at least dont get to practice them often. Thier logic is born of what the they have experienced and learnt of Gamma and Zimmy's nature and charector in the past, plus observation of their current actions, speech and reactions. Also, right now that statement only really applies to your own post. Which doesnt seem to be true of human nature as per the reactions of ZImmy and Gamma here. Gamma is prone to shyness and blushing. Right here, their terrified for their safety rather than protective of their relationship. And its not only matt, its ALL of them. Therefore Gamma has seen something which applies to all the fellows there [the girls are notable not highlighted though] Your speculation still carries weight though. Matt's "uh" seems to be more of a response to her strangely fearful reaction to her touching his face
Also anything is really possible with ZImmy and Gamma considering who they are. Do not openly discount peoples speculation as Daft. Just state your own and provide logical points against another if you disagree. Its a sign of respect.
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Post by Klex on Sept 6, 2008 19:27:43 GMT
Hurr durr there's this concept called joke out there.
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Post by Tom Siddell on Sept 6, 2008 19:38:41 GMT
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Post by Cassiopea The Grande on Sept 6, 2008 19:45:15 GMT
Hmm... I'm sort of thinking the theory about Gamma reading people's minds is quite a good one, especially if she has to touch them to do it because she's not really had contact with anyone else.
I'm was also wondering for a second if Zimmy is actually blind and can only see through Gamma's mind. She can sense people looking at her, but can she see them?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Sept 6, 2008 21:19:46 GMT
Zimmy and Gamma are unique beings who share a bond. If you look at the old comics with them you'll see the same colored connection between their heads [but as thick whispy fat lines] every now and then. Not so much detail as the lines have here. Interesting. Ch 11, p 13 was the only one I could find it on. Never noticed that before.
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Post by cespinarve on Sept 6, 2008 21:20:19 GMT
I hadn't even noticed the gray lines before.
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Post by Curious George on Sept 6, 2008 22:48:12 GMT
No she just doesnt get any sleep because if she does the world around ZImmy starts morphing into something which makes Silent Hill look like Sesame Street and stuff starts appearing that makes Pyramid Head look like Kermit the Frog. Of course Gamma is dead tired all the time -- Annie helped her get some rest way back when it rained on Zeta. But Gamma is always following Zimm around with those fixed big black eyes -- staring ahead like she's not seeing what's around her. Someone who is dead tired slumps and doesn't stay focussed like that. I really think the thing that bit Zimm on this page is: Matt drew Gamma's attention away momentarily... and Zimm's actions after the "They're what" are all about regaining Gamma's attention -- permanently. Zeta goes to a living hell without Gamma's constant attention / focus. Quite understandable... even human of Zeta, if you ask me. (BTW to the person wondering if Zeta is blind, the answer is no. When the rain washes her clean, she has beautiful red eyes... the black is just a stylistic thing to make her more disturbing and to indicate she *never* sleeps.) Well I wasn't trying to insult you out of the blue. I called you daft because you were in this case. Everyone's been going on (in the comments too) about how maybe Zimm & Gamma didn't notice the others there because they're so wrapped up in Zimm's alternate reality powers... But just step back for a moment and think about Tom's consistent style. No, I can't predict him any better than you can, BUT I do know that he does an excellent job portraying interpersonal emotional stuff in his comic. It's often subtle and understated, but can you think of a single chapter that didn't have complex emotional content? Didn't think so. ALL of his characters (boxbot excepted of course) have complex HUMAN emotions. (Don't take that literally -- I'm trying to make a point, not formalize the comic with rigorous logic ) In all the ramblings about 453, no one is treating Zimm & Gamma as if they too are human. That's daft! Just look at the preceding 452 pages to find out how wrong it is to suppose Tom would introduce real zombies and real ferral kids. He's too interested in *emotions* and relationships to dis Z&G like that. So if you take off your blinders -- or your aversion to all things emotional -- and really look at page 453, doesn't my theory make the most sense of any yet? I don't care if I'm right and I'm *not* lording it over you... I'm probably wrong on at *least* one point -- Tom's got an impenetrable shield up against all magic 8balls BUT I'm damn certain of one thing: Zimm & Gamma have normal human emotions if you care to look for them -- emotional codependencies like theirs exist all over the place in real life... AND: Tom's comics make *much* more sense if you allow the emotional messy stuff to enter into every frame of every page. Tom does an amazing job portraying subtle emotions with minimal actions and dialog. You won't get clearcut graphical indications of what's going on inside characters' heads & hearts... but you don't *need* such easy training wheel conventions if you let your own emotional intuitions feel out what's going on between the characters. None of them are two-dimensional, or inhuman. Of course, no one will know for sure until the next page P.S. It was my *intention* to be provokative... don't take it personally... why do you care what I think of you anyway? ...or if I get your intentions, etc. wrong?
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Post by Tom Siddell on Sept 7, 2008 0:54:39 GMT
I would advise against being so sure about yourself.
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Post by Curious George on Sept 7, 2008 1:47:15 GMT
My sincere apologies to anyone I've offended.
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Post by ecomono on Sept 7, 2008 22:31:38 GMT
I got the impression that Gamma told Zimmy something while she had her hand on Matt's face. Something that Zimmy didn't know otherwise. Something about what the group up on the roof was doing or going to do. But then Zimmy reacted as though Matt had touched Gamma.
We're gonna need some more info before drawing any conclusions, I think. This is just too opaque given the little we know about those two.
EDIT: They speak in the same color, you know.
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Post by lingus on Sept 8, 2008 18:19:13 GMT
Geroff=get off=get away. Geroff is basically just a slurring. Thank you kind sir. So it's kind of an "accent" or speech pattern kind of thing rather than dialect I guess... Btw, sorry for the late response...
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