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Post by Yin on Jul 23, 2008 7:00:12 GMT
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hajo
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Post by hajo on Jul 23, 2008 7:37:57 GMT
It looks like some piece is missing here: S13 remembers the fight,
but not the picture of the lady, which he should have seen as Seraph ?
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tetsamaru
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Post by tetsamaru on Jul 23, 2008 7:54:08 GMT
i say the body holds a certain amount of memories that are not allowed to leave the body.
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Post by UbiquitousDragon on Jul 23, 2008 12:45:21 GMT
Joe Cool!
Aw, Kat is awesome!
On what Shadow2 said, wouldn't Muut have said something to Annie about things that die down there have to stay down there? Though he was wrong about Jeanne being able to cross the river. Hmm, ponderous ...
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Post by Count Casimir on Jul 23, 2008 16:48:54 GMT
I can't believe I missed the connection between Diego and the TicTocs! (Possible connection, that is)
Also, I love the 1st panel; "oh yeah."
hajo, I bet the whole thing is a bit fuzzy for him.
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sivdre
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Post by sivdre on Jul 23, 2008 17:01:11 GMT
Muut is also a ... "Guardian of the dead".
If he, the faeries, Ysengrin, the tic tocs, Annie, AND Jeanne can all be down there then it would make sense that it is a kind of ... limbo.
So possibly neither he nor the other guides can take her due to her already being in limbo or maybe she is like Mort.
With all the death guides around you'd thing he'd already be gone no?
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Post by rc5 on Jul 23, 2008 22:00:32 GMT
Ha, I love how they all speculate about stuff like that. It's like Tom does the work for us!
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jul 24, 2008 3:08:21 GMT
This whole basement is a giant Rorschach test. The evidence we have is so inconclusive that any theory to explain it will tell us more about the theorist than about what actually happened. Kat, Reynardine, and Shadow2 are all theorizing. Annie is just observing and asking questions. Muut is also a ... "Guardian of the dead". If he, the faeries, Ysengrin, the tic tocs, Annie, AND Jeanne can all be down there then it would make sense that it is a kind of ... limbo. So possibly neither he nor the other guides can take her due to her already being in limbo or maybe she is like Mort. With all the death guides around you'd thing he'd already be gone no? Muut and the other Guides escort the souls of the dead into the Aether. The Guides generally appear in the vicinity of the dead or dying (though I'm unaware of any evidence that they can't appear elsewhere if they want). Muut showed up in the valley because he was in the area to collect the soul of the Shadow that Eglamore killed, and he wanted to say hi to Annie. The only TicToc on the river bank there was the "dead" one. The other TicTocs only came close enough to drop Annie from a safe height, then flew away. While the Annan itself does serve as a border between the Wood and the Court, the riverbank on the Gillitie side belongs to the Wood. At the Court-Forest parley, Ysengrin cited the TicToc which had been planted in the riverbank as his grievance against the Court. The Court didn't dispute the legitimacy of the grievance, instead they denied that they were responsible. As for Mort, Tom spoke of him being "stationed" at Gunnerkrigg. I assume this means he has some task he must complete before he can permanently leave the physical world, and this is why no Guides have come to remove him from the Court. |
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Post by cenit on Jul 24, 2008 3:57:37 GMT
I think that's way to easy... also Muut said something about ghost lady Jeanne... like she was out of even their reach
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Post by mudmaniac on Jul 24, 2008 5:57:21 GMT
That last panel, i hear all the tension draining outta Robot. like he's getting a good massage. Again with the "Mind is the body's plaything" theme here i guess. My guess it Robot was pretty aware of everything but could not compel himself to resist the body programming. I would say its pretty much similar to how, when we are gripped by emotions like anger or frustration, we lash out despite being dimly aware of the damage that it may bring. I doubt the parents Donlan and the Knight are gonna just let Kat fly the gang down to the Annan waters to sort things out with Jeanne... so I am much looking forward to a covert project to build some sorta Iron man suit for Annie.  with stealth  and repulsor beams >_< and J.A.R.V.I.S (^o^)/ |
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Post by Per on Jul 24, 2008 11:28:16 GMT
Kat, Reynardine, and Shadow2 are all theorizing. Annie is just observing and asking questions. She's asking the theorizers, though. She's a second-hand theorist. |
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Post by sivdre on Jul 24, 2008 17:30:07 GMT
Okay I'm going to Bite. What's J.A.R.V.I.S. other then the last name of my worst English lit teacher?
Also Thank you Mezza. I just got done reading the "questions to Tom" thread. Interesting, perhaps he (Mort) is stationed to help train the mediums? He wasn't very good at scaring people because he was new to it. so he might have been allowed to stay since Annie's mother passed on without a properly trained replacement as Medium.
I still wonder though. How would they be able to Help Jeanne?
I'm wondering if the reason she hasn't past on yet is if she is/was entirely on the science-side of the court. Annie had to help the boy killed in the fire to decide which Guide he would go with because he was in the ... Territory of two. If Jeanne was on the science-side maybe there is no guide for her.
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Post by Count Casimir on Jul 24, 2008 17:43:56 GMT
Jarvis is Tony Stark's house (and suit) wide hyperintelligent AI. It is also the nickname of my laptop.
So are we all wondering if Jeanne is "stationed" at the bottom of the ravine? That makes sense, except for Muut's statement of her being out of the guides' control (if that's what he meant when he said "'our' control").
Oh and Mezz...one more post.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jul 24, 2008 21:48:58 GMT
Regarding the possibility that Diego built the TicTocs: I suspect that whoever made the TicTocs is not the same person as whoever made the other Robots in the Court, considering how very different their designs are. The Robots are obviously mechanical (or magitech) while the TicTocs passed for real birds until Annie autopsied one of them. But I've been wrong before, and I'll gladly eat my words if I'm wrong again. Oh and Mezz...one more post. "The number is symbolic." -Karl Ruprect Kroenen, Hellboy: Wake the Devil |
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Post by todd on Jul 24, 2008 22:13:44 GMT
Also, the TicTocs are a mystery to the faculty; if somebody at the Court (presumably Diego) made them, he kept his work on them a secret.
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kieah
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Post by kieah on Jul 24, 2008 23:15:22 GMT
Maybe it's just the shadows but in the seventh panel robot's eye resembles Zimmy's a bit.
It might just be my imagination though.
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Post by mudmaniac on Jul 25, 2008 2:51:32 GMT
Right now, I imagine that Robot sounds like Tara Strong voicing upgrade from BEN TEN.
As for the current court robots, I somehow think that while Diego built the original robots, the new ones were pretty much built by... other robots. And the court is being built and maintained by them.
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Post by twitch on Aug 13, 2008 1:23:17 GMT
I apologize for bringing up an older thread, but I didn't see anyone commenting on these points so I thought I'd share. Do excuse me if someone brought it up before or if it's entirely boring/out there/irrelevant.
Kat brings up the point that the birds saved Antimony from falling to her death from the bridge. But why did the birds purposely drop Antimony on the nature end of the river? It could have been to avoid Jeanne's ghost, but wouldn't a normal person be unable to interact with a ghost anyway, making her not a threat? And also, if it was to keep people from Jeanne, wouldn't that mean she was hostile towards both sides? (a thought reinforced by her face-slashing) indicating that she has ill-feelings towards the technology end of the river as well?
Muut says to Annie as he fades away, "still such anger. . ." Which one can assume is the reason she can't be helped by the guides. But my real question is whether she's angry from dying to an enemy, or from being betrayed by allies. This is reinforced by S113s "She died and we did nothing." response. The phrase uses a "royal we," making me think there was more to it than just one man feeling like he didn't do enough. It's as if he's condemning the whole system for doing literally nothing. (Which, being as he was obviously amazing with robotics, he was clearly part of.)
So yeah, I don't know how off on this I am, but I thought I'd comment anywho and see what people thought.
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Post by Chrome on Aug 13, 2008 4:14:00 GMT
I think the "So much anger" bit is more about Annie's mother. Remember she said something about being just fine to Muut before he says that?
Ironically I noticed a similar "She died and we could do nothing" thing going on with Surma. In her case, nobody could prevent the death, not so much "do nothing" about it. But in the end, they really couldn't DO anything--and neither could Annie. I get the impression she wishes she could have done something, since she sees those who escort the dead.
It makes me wonder if Tom's setting up for Annie to sympathize with Diego, or to maybe come to terms about her own mother's death through learning about Jeanne's.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Aug 13, 2008 7:25:18 GMT
It could have been to avoid Jeanne's ghost, but wouldn't a normal person be unable to interact with a ghost anyway, making her not a threat? Mort has no trouble interacting with other students at the Court, and Kat was able to help that blind ghost over the summer holiday. Ghosts seem to be like psychopomps in that they can make themselves invisible to normals or visible at their own discretion. Her apparent hostility towards Annie may have had nothing to do with Court-Forest politics. Page 136: Muut said, "Antimony... may you fare well." Annie said nothing and turned away from him. Though we can't see where he's looking, his body was still facing towards Annie as he said, "Still such anger..." I'm fairly certain he was talking about Miss Carver, not Jean. |
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Post by twitch on Aug 13, 2008 8:05:19 GMT
It could have been to avoid Jeanne's ghost, but wouldn't a normal person be unable to interact with a ghost anyway, making her not a threat? Mort has no trouble interacting with other students at the Court, and Kat was able to help that blind ghost over the summer holiday. Ghosts seem to be like psychopomps in that they can make themselves invisible to normals or visible at their own discretion. Ah, that part about mort makes sense, and I had forgotten about the blind ghost. *nods* It also makes sense as to why the birds would drop her at the other edge of the river, if Jeanne is mean to everyone. While the fact remains that there may be some other antagonizing factor that instigated the hostility towards Annie, that still doesn't really account for the birds. Though it may have had something to do with the light? Well, I'm able to accept when I've made a mess of things. <.< Though I still feel that the comment could have gone both ways, the context really points more to Annie. *that's what I get for rereading a comic backwards to check a point* |
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Post by etcetera on Aug 13, 2008 8:22:23 GMT
Page 136: Muut said, "Antimony... may you fare well." Annie said nothing and turned away from him. Though we can't see where he's looking, his body was still facing towards Annie as he said, "Still such anger..." I'm fairly certain he was talking about Miss Carver, not Jean. That's a good point. Poor Antimony may have been right there, watching her mother being taken away by a psychopomp. Probably (or hopefully) not Muut, but one can still imagine this tragic scene, Antimony crying and begging, Surma saying good-bye and that it's all right, perhaps ... So Antimony's relationship with the psychopomps may be pretty double-edged. Of course she can handle the situation quite good (strong girl, eh?) but that doesn't mean her feelings about all that would simply disappear, rather than just being controlled on the outside. |
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