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Post by popo on Mar 12, 2008 5:00:26 GMT
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Post by edzepp on Mar 12, 2008 5:12:08 GMT
Talk about putting your foot in it. As for Parley, I think it's less daggers of hate and more daggers of "What the hell, man."
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Post by Mezzaphor on Mar 12, 2008 5:19:11 GMT
I like how in panel 5, Eggers and Parley both look embarrassed, and Jones is completely expressionless.
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Post by edzepp on Mar 12, 2008 5:29:20 GMT
Isn't that her default expression anyway?  |
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Post by mudmaniac on Mar 12, 2008 5:31:23 GMT
So its true what they say:"Beware the quiet ones. And Jones. Fer Chrissake! Never mess with Jones!"
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Post by Myrani on Mar 12, 2008 5:34:57 GMT
Bahaha... whoopsie. I can just hear Parley going: "What." Although somehow I suspect Jones is used to this sort of thing coming from the uninitiated. Shouldn't take Annie long to readjust, I imagine.
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Post by philweasel on Mar 12, 2008 6:26:55 GMT
Where the hell does this irrational dislike of Eglamore come from? I mean... seriously, that was like totally random.
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Post by popo on Mar 12, 2008 6:41:24 GMT
Where the hell does this irrational dislike of Eglamore come from? I mean... seriously, that was like totally random. It comes from the same place that Jones' irrational dislike of Annie comes from. |
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Post by zingbat on Mar 12, 2008 6:58:24 GMT
I've noticed something in a few of the previous pages, but it's particularly apparent in today's comic: does Eglamore have some sort of scar near/under his eye on the left side (our right side) of his face? What happened? I don't recall seeing it the last time we saw Eglamore (in "The Fangs of Summertime", I think?). Strange. Also, I'm curious, too, about Annie's dislike of Mr. Eglamore. I recently re-read the archives (yeah, I know, I have no life  , and it looks like the first time we see it is in Chapter 4, when Eglamore & Kat's mom show up to look at the science projects. Antimony excuses herself, and then we see her walking away and kind of glaring back at Eglamore. I wondered if maybe it had something to do with Reynardine. Remember how she refused to hand him over and kind of scolded Eglamore & co. for treating him badly? Maybe? |
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Post by popo on Mar 12, 2008 7:01:46 GMT
I don't think he has a scar, as you can see similar things on the other side and his forehead, although his left makes it more obvious.
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Post by Myrani on Mar 12, 2008 7:50:15 GMT
Where the hell does this irrational dislike of Eglamore come from? I mean... seriously, that was like totally random. It comes from the same place that Jones' irrational dislike of Annie comes from. I think the way Annie behaves toward Eglamore could very well be as simple as her having a difficult time letting herself trust his judgment, carrying forward from chapter nine, pretty much. It'd explain her response to him here. And if she's noted that his memories of Surma are still strongly attached, I suspect that'd just add to the effect. Alas, I can't really guess at why Jones is the way she is. That said, she seems to be the type of lady who understands some of the more difficult necessities of instruction. Unfortunately, these days, many teachers and parents seem to have the concept confused, and try to be friends with a child prior to being a teacher or parent. That's what a child's peers are for, rather. Not to say a teacher or parent can't be friends with the child at all, but it shouldn't take precedence over instruction or parenting. Annie's got Kat to have fun with, and Jones to give instruction, for example. Jones isn't going to jeopardise Annie's education by trying to get buddy-buddy with her, and in that sense, she'd make a fantastic teacher. Of course, when it comes to relations with people who aren't her students, Eglamore for one, then that explanation holds no water. Jones is just... Jones. I've met people very much like her who were wonderful underneath their reservedness, so maybe that makes me automatically more inclined to like her character. |
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Post by Tenjen on Mar 12, 2008 7:51:08 GMT
Annie's taken a disliking to Eglamore. THink its more of a judgement thing supported by only a few justifications.
Eglamore hasnt exactly been very open with her as well. She senses he's uneasy around her and that he knows things he isnt telling her. Also i dont think she liked what coyote blurted out when he thought eglamore was her father. She's a smart girl and musta figured out her mother and him had relations.
And its good to note eglamores style, shows us how he managed to defeat reynardine. Out doors and plenty of space to fight.
Skilled large stature has a disadvantage against skilled small stature in close quarters. Plus Jones must be a really great fighter herself and her techniques and styles would demolish eglamore's given the surroundings. Iam trying to avoid speaking about combat styles, cause we dont know what their styles are and it wont do to just assume their combat styles, all we know is that without sufficient space and area to move around in, eglamore will be defeated by Jones.
Jones expresses herself very subtly. Only those close to her will notice it. They know the cues and it comes naturally to them as it would if they were with a person with more common expressive functions.
She's also learned Annie has developed a disliking for eglamore, though she may have already known [but has it established and can gauge it now]
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Post by tonie on Mar 12, 2008 9:48:44 GMT
It comes from the same place that Jones' irrational dislike of Annie comes from. Agreed. Surma stands between them all... Heck I wouldn't be very fond of a guy who disrupted my image of my parents' exclusive love, especially if I'd been just abandoned by my father AND had my mother pass away. AND Eggers gave her detention and told her off for not being as good at mischief as her mother! Insult to injury! |
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Post by Yin on Mar 12, 2008 11:08:31 GMT
nothing to add to what is already speculated, save this: why Doip?
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Post by Boksha on Mar 12, 2008 12:15:13 GMT
I second Parley's face in the 5th panel. Eglamore seems to be taking it all pretty well.
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Post by Rowan on Mar 12, 2008 12:22:55 GMT
Parley is so weird. Who cares?
And I don't know, I can't stand Eglamore either--he's really obnoxious and has always been particularly unkind to Annie. At least a little. In my opinion.
Guh. But in response to everyone else--she hates Eglamore I think a lot because of the knowledge that he was in love with her mother. Yeah.
...Jones has an irrational dislike of Annie?
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Post by Boksha on Mar 12, 2008 12:38:11 GMT
How is Parley weird? Aside from being overly extravert. |
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Post by cenit on Mar 12, 2008 12:50:53 GMT
I don't think that Jones hates Annie. On the other hand, Annie seems to have a grudge against Eglamore; for many reasons that all the other have pointed out, and seems pretty reasonable. What I don't get is why Annie made that comment... I mean, for an untrained eye Eglamore could have the advantge, bigger, heavier, and for the looks of it, stronger... why did she have to go "because she is woman"; it seemed a little bit out of character...or we're begining to see a new part of her personality. You know, I would kill to know what Jones is thinking on pannel 5. Also, Jones seems them to have a short-range attack style, so she is more likely to use projection and inmovilization moves; using the advantage of walls on which you can throw your oponnent. For weapons...daggers maybe...and other kind of short weapons...let's see if Tom proves me right or wrong  |
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Post by syzygy on Mar 12, 2008 13:18:55 GMT
My analyses so far:
Annie= distrusting of Egs
Eglamore= skilled fighter, but clumsy around women, falls for...
Jones= not human, possibly an enemy of the court
Parley= great example of Tom's skill with expressions.
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Post by UbiquitousDragon on Mar 12, 2008 14:14:01 GMT
I always viewed Annie's dislike coming from his inappropriateness in his teacher after giving her detention for falling off the cliff by encouraging her to break the rules, just not to get caught. And the comparison to her mother. While it can be complimentary I know as a schoolgirl I didn't really like being compared to my mum.
Jones does seem very mechanical. Not in the robot sense, but in the going through the motions sense, even when she was flirting with Eglamore in the previous page. She's far weirder than Parley; I understand Parley's perspective. Though I'd draw the same assumption as Annie because of Jones' diminutive size against Eglamore's height.
Isn't it odd though that Jones says, again in the previous page, that it's been awhile despite the fact that their offices are next to each other? (This may have been picked up on in Monday's discussion--I've been lurking.)
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Post by Freederick on Mar 12, 2008 14:24:01 GMT
We already know Eglamore is good enough to whoop a Rogat Orjak in single combat. Taking this into account, Jones cannot possibly be less than an Ancient Master of Waif Fu.  |
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Post by lizzer on Mar 12, 2008 14:34:48 GMT
Jones' eyebrows are distinctly raised. She has expressions, just not many - nor varied.
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Post by Boksha on Mar 12, 2008 14:48:32 GMT
We already know Eglamore is good enough to whoop a Rogat Orjak in single combat. Taking this into account, Jones cannot possibly be less than an Ancient Master of Waif Fu. Eglamore seems to be primarily good at big jumps, long and slow swings of his sword and even throwing his sword at opponents. I figure if he and Jones were to fight in an enclosed space, Jones would just dodge his first attack, jump behind him and end with her sword on his throat. And all that without even blinking. I figure if she tried that out in the open, Eglamore's reply would be to just jump out of reach when she tries it. |
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Post by popo on Mar 12, 2008 14:55:53 GMT
nothing to add to what is already speculated, save this: why Doip? Because I like the word. I've been reading a lot of KC Green lately. I guess I can change it back. And I don't know, I can't stand Eglamore either--he's really obnoxious and has always been particularly unkind to Annie. At least a little. In my opinion. He's saved her life a couple times, tries to be friendly, and is only cold because she's the same way. she just said something pretty stupid right now, and he just joked about it. We already know Eglamore is good enough to whoop a Rogat Orjak in single combat. Taking this into account, Jones cannot possibly be less than an Ancient Master of Waif Fu. crap, now I have to waste the rest of the day on TV tropes. why do you do this to me? |
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Post by Boksha on Mar 12, 2008 18:09:18 GMT
crap, now I have to waste the rest of the day on TV tropes. why do you do this to me? I second this. It was about 14:00 in the afternoon when I read that? It's 19:00 now. Ouch. |
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Post by gdwarf on Mar 12, 2008 18:11:00 GMT
I think part of the reason Annie dislikes Eglamore is the way he treated Rey. I know she mentions that at some point or other.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Mar 12, 2008 21:33:20 GMT
Annie's done worse to Rey: Sticking him in that tiny box and revoking his right to speak for an entire week. Myrani pointed out that Jones is more concerned with being a teacher than being a friend. Eggers' unsubtle encouragements to Annie indicate that he does want to be Annie's friend. Whether this interferes with his role as a teacher is debatable, but it's possible Annie would prefer that he stick to being her teacher. Something stm177 pointed out to me on another forum: Maybe Annie secretly had a crush on Eglamore. Beyond the obvious reasons for liking him, there's the fact that he saved her life. And it would make sense that whatever attracted Surma to him could also attract Annie. (Also, this seems to me like the most plausible explanation for the hair-fluffing in ch 9.) As a result, Annie is more disappointed/angry at Egger's perceived failings than she would be at someone she didn't care about. |
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Post by todd on Mar 12, 2008 22:28:46 GMT
Parley's suggestion of another sword-fight (this time between Eglamore and Jones) surprised me for a while. Jones, instead of taking Annie straight to a class on being a medium, brings her to Parley's sword-fighting class while it's still in progress, and has her sit there and watch, instead of calling Parley out of class as she'd done with Annie. And now that the class is over, Parley proposes another practice session - making me wonder whether those medium lessons hadn't been delayed long enough already.
Until I wondered if Annie watching the sword-fighting practice was part of her lessons. After all, they never said that Annie's lessons with Parley and Smith would be the conventional "everyone in the classroom together at desks" kind of classes.
And I don't think Annie's got a crush on Eglamore (that's Kat's job, for one thing - and I still can't imagine Annie having a crush on anybody). I think she's simply less than keen on him because she connects him to the weird things going on at Gunnerkrigg, sees him as initially ready to take Reynardine away from her (thus removing one of her few remaining links to her mother), and was offended by his remarks to her in Chapter Nine.
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Post by tonie on Mar 12, 2008 23:01:06 GMT
Also, this seems to me like the most plausible explanation for the hair-fluffing in ch 9.quote] Ooh, I'd never noticed that before! Hmm, I really didn't think Annie would have a crush on Eggers, but that hair-fluff makes me reconsider! Or maybe she fluffed her hair to look perfect and feel in control while facing Eglamore after making rather a big mess of things... In any case I'm sure Annie's "because she is a woman" question was asked to prove that he is sexist and therefore even more worthy of her dislike. Look at how she frowns at him when she says it! I also agree that Eggers seems to try and remain friends with her, brushing aside her challenge with a laugh, and being very self-deprecating about it. And Parley's look is also one of surprise at Egger's words, methinks, although mixed with some contempt of Annie's stupid question. And I, too, would LOVE to see how Jones fights... How that tiny woman in a tight skirt would "flatten" Eggers. Rapidity? Cunning? Magic? "Stare of Death"? |
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Post by Count Casimir on Mar 12, 2008 23:31:46 GMT
HOLY CRAP
I am in love with Jones.
'cause she's a badass.
AND SHE CAN FIGHT WITH POINTY THINGS
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, and it looks like the first time we see it is in Chapter 4, when Eglamore & Kat's mom show up to look at the science projects. Antimony excuses herself, and then we see her walking away and kind of glaring back at Eglamore. I wondered if maybe it had something to do with Reynardine. Remember how she refused to hand him over and kind of scolded Eglamore & co. for treating him badly?
