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Post by Salty on Nov 12, 2012 8:03:43 GMT
chapter title!Also, geologic time is always hard for humans to comprehend.
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 12, 2012 8:05:26 GMT
Its a rock.
Or maybe City Face's egg, you never know.
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Post by alexh on Nov 12, 2012 8:09:00 GMT
She is a constant and everything else is variable..?
It's interesting, though, that evolution still applies in a story like this.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Nov 12, 2012 8:09:06 GMT
A rock?! ...for other My Little Pony fans... I'll be going now. Oh, and it's perfectly normal to keep rocks/stones in your drawer sometimes.
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 12, 2012 8:12:21 GMT
I like how this chapter is ending: answers about Jones but still a mystery. The curious Jones is still curious. I wonder what Annie thinking of all this...
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 12, 2012 8:14:43 GMT
Whether she's a rock or not, she rocks. Or maybe City Face's egg, you never know. TicToc's egg.
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Post by leah on Nov 12, 2012 8:16:21 GMT
That green & red face in panel three is really cool!
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 12, 2012 8:16:33 GMT
I wonder what Annie thinking of all this... I think I have an idea.
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Post by philman on Nov 12, 2012 8:21:56 GMT
So now she says she is unable to feel emotions at all? What is this thing with Egalmore then? her attempting to understand these emotions? attempting to feel them?
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Post by stigand on Nov 12, 2012 8:26:11 GMT
Ultimately, the real question is not "Who is Jones?" but "What is Jones up to?"
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Post by notacat on Nov 12, 2012 8:27:29 GMT
Is that a very rare misprint in Panel Four?Oops?
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Post by savriel on Nov 12, 2012 8:52:13 GMT
Why would that be a misprint? "It [the flood] is something I myself am unable to experience." Maybe I'm missing some obscure grammar rule.
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Post by lamepudding on Nov 12, 2012 8:56:13 GMT
Perhaps the all her "emotional attachments" are merely her fitting into a missing role for others, and in all cases that we saw, she took a role of comfort for whoever she attached herself to. She doesn't need emotions to act as a comfort, objects can be a comfort, and maybe thats what she considers herself.
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Post by Xan on Nov 12, 2012 9:05:31 GMT
Why would that be a misprint? "It [the flood] is something I myself am unable to experience." Maybe I'm missing some obscure grammar rule. The panel currently reads "It it [...]", not "It is [...]" So, yeah, a typo.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Nov 12, 2012 9:08:45 GMT
I think it's her "blinker stone".
That is to say, it does nothing. It is merely a stone. Compare that to how a human can use a blinker.
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Post by Lightice on Nov 12, 2012 9:26:12 GMT
I think it's her "blinker stone". That is to say, it does nothing. It is merely a stone. Compare that to how a human can use a blinker. I'm pretty sure that she's saying that she, herself, is like a stone. Unchanging, unevolving, static. I hope that Annie brings up some of the questions that we have made here on the forums. Most notably, how she could have had a human appearance billions of years before the human form actually evolved.
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Post by darklao on Nov 12, 2012 9:58:25 GMT
Pfft. I'm not buying it. We've seen, even in this narrative, Jones act to honor the dead, fill a hole in Eggie's heart--she clearly cares about things in some way. Maybe she's not the same as a human, maybe she and we can't access what's in her black box, but if she walks like a duck and talks like a duck, she's a goddamned duck. Possibly a robot or golem or divine or time-travelling duck, but still a duck.
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Post by hargharg on Nov 12, 2012 10:04:25 GMT
So who's the green guy with the red strings? The other seems to be Jeanne.
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Post by Rymdljus on Nov 12, 2012 10:08:07 GMT
Pfft. I'm not buying it. We've seen, even in this narrative, Jones act to honor the dead, fill a hole in Eggie's heart--she clearly cares about things in some way. Maybe she's not the same as a human, maybe she and we can't access what's in her black box, but if she walks like a duck and talks like a duck, she's a goddamned duck. Possibly a robot or golem or divine or time-travelling duck, but still a duck. She might just have learned to act like she has emotions, to blend in better in human society. She has had a lot of time to practice, after all.
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Post by Ashley Y on Nov 12, 2012 10:16:50 GMT
Maybe she's a robot created at the formation of the Earth.
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Post by ryos on Nov 12, 2012 10:17:57 GMT
Yeah, the illustration for floods of human emotion look a lot like Jeanne and her Elfish lover. Very cool.
I'll lay my bet now. That black stone is probably sedimentary, and it's worn smooth and round and pockmarked, like a river stone. In other words, it is both younger than Jones and has weathered more in its life than she has, but it has undergone these changes much more slowly than a human lifetime. Jones is saying that she experiences things like a stone chipping slowly away, in contrast to the rushing flood of the human psyche.
This quote from Joseph Smith seems appropriate:
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Post by keeana on Nov 12, 2012 10:25:57 GMT
I like how "I thought I had finally found creatures like myself" neatly recasts the convergent evolution debate from her perspective. The question becomes not how Jones could possibly look human before humans existed, but how humans could have possibly evolved to look just like Jones. Also notable, this makes Jones a proper alien. Do you think she has a heartbeat?
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Post by rinabean on Nov 12, 2012 10:37:25 GMT
Pfft. I'm not buying it. We've seen, even in this narrative, Jones act to honor the dead, fill a hole in Eggie's heart--she clearly cares about things in some way. Maybe she's not the same as a human, maybe she and we can't access what's in her black box, but if she walks like a duck and talks like a duck, she's a goddamned duck. Possibly a robot or golem or divine or time-travelling duck, but still a duck. Yes, I agree. Jones has never come across as emotionless to me. Aloof, stoic, maybe, but not actually without emotion. Even in this page she gives it away - why on earth would she care that she'd 'finally' found people like her? If she didn't care about anything, if she had no emotions, it would be 'eventually' or something like that. Obviously she was lonely. She was lonely for such a long time that she had to pretty much get over it but even so that was still a feeling she had. I don't think she's just fitting in, either. If that were true she wouldn't have been driven out of everywhere (I think we are meant to assume that that wasn't a one off once magic powers stopped being a good thing.) She's very intelligent, a great judge of people, and completely in control of herself. Flesh and blood sociopaths do a better job than her of pretending to be human, which doesn't make sense, because Jones has much more experience of watching people, and I don't think she has sinister motives that she's covering up. So my conclusion is that Jones does feel emotions, she didn't realise at first because she had no-one to discuss them with, and she's been alive for so long that she's kinda numb. And she doesn't feel deep love for people because she knows how 'soon' they'll die, but she does care.
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Post by Angry Robot on Nov 12, 2012 10:37:52 GMT
Jones has a pet rock? How very 70s. The final panel made me think of the line spoken by the Tabernacle in 'Zardoz': "You have me in the palm of your hand". Jones has been at the Court for decades: and doesn't know what she is. Which suggests that, even with all their scientific and etheric knowledge, THEY haven't figured out what she is either (assuming they wouldn't have withheld that information from someone who seems quite important to them). Which in turn means WE will never know, unless one of our protagonists has an epiphany later in the story. Although Jones is non-etheric, my guess would be Annie (helped by the background gleaned from Coyote and Ysengrin) rather than Kat (who has already had her fair share of insights in this narrative, like anti-gravity and re-animating Diego's robot).
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Post by pasko on Nov 12, 2012 10:47:34 GMT
Probably she keeps that rock because she has this conversation once or twice per month. Each person she knows asks her this question, sooner or later, and she found this physical comparison easy to understand for her questioner.
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Post by unrequited on Nov 12, 2012 11:07:16 GMT
Seed Bismuth?
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Post by Xan on Nov 12, 2012 11:13:45 GMT
Doubtful. Jones claimed it is unknown what Seed Bismuth actually was. Edit: Though I looked back at it, and the exact claim is "there is no record". I assume that if Jones knows what it is, there is no contradiction. Hmmm..
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Post by porcupineadvocate on Nov 12, 2012 11:20:43 GMT
I like how "I thought I had finally found creatures like myself" neatly recasts the convergent evolution debate from her perspective. The question becomes not how Jones could possibly look human before humans existed, but how humans could have possibly evolved to look just like Jones. Also notable, this makes Jones a proper alien. Do you think she has a heartbeat? She can't need to breathe, to be sure, or sitting buried in lava underwater might've been tricky. On the other hand, not being warm-blooded would have made living with humans tricky. Ever hold a snake? They stand out easily. Actually, this is a universe where (allegedly) human beliefs can shape the universe around them, so perhaps Jones was created by human beliefs and was merely, omphalos-style, created with memories of older experiences.
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Post by Lightice on Nov 12, 2012 12:07:37 GMT
You know, Jones's origin story reminds me of only one creature that I can think of in fiction: Satan in Jeff Long's novel Deeper. In that story Satan is an entity that was born in the Big Bang with all the knowledge in the universe, only to lose it all an instant later. Eons later a planet formed around him and life evolved, and he became first time aware of himself by relating to microbes, invertebrates and ultimately eventually people. At first he loved everything and mourned even a single dead spider, but then he became bitter from being trapped in the planet's core when there was so much to experience outside, and decided to take revenge on whoever would free him.
Jones has the luck of not being trapped, but she seems to have a similar conflict of trying to relate to life to her best abilities, but always feeling separate and unattached. She can count herself lucky if she doesn't have proper emotions; the alternative would probably be bloody insanity.
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Post by konaya on Nov 12, 2012 13:05:29 GMT
She must have the ability to feel compassion. I mean... This, with recent developments in mind.
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