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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 22, 2012 7:00:53 GMT
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Post by legion on Oct 22, 2012 7:02:22 GMT
Cookie time.
NE: Knight templars, so this is happening at the latest in the early 14th century.
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Post by contrition on Oct 22, 2012 7:04:24 GMT
The woman on the left in the second panel has got some Zimmy eyes going on there, maybe why Jones is familiar with her condition? Depending on the history of her family, maybe even an ancestor.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 22, 2012 7:05:32 GMT
The woman on the left in the second panel has got some Zimmy eyes going on there, maybe why Jones is familiar with her condition? Depending on the history of her family, maybe even an ancestor. I noticed that too. But then her eyes are normal on the 6th panel. Well, we didn't see Jones being accused of a witch, but as a devil. Unless they're synonymous since witches are accused of being associated with The Devil.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Oct 22, 2012 7:07:18 GMT
Non sequitur - I've been enjoying Tom's Twitter jokes.
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Post by secondofnone on Oct 22, 2012 7:07:24 GMT
The downturned corners of her mouth, the set of her eyes - that looks like a trace of regret to me. The first real emotion I think I've seen in Jones.
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Post by krael on Oct 22, 2012 7:08:18 GMT
nah, the woman might be pretty tired, but she's no zimmy. The last panel shows her with much less shadow. maybe Tom's visual methaphor kicked in? she's carrying a wimple though! Not even trying to date this without context, and unless Tom makes another timestop, we won't get it either, as jumps are really big now. Time to add error bars to the graph
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Post by willy on Oct 22, 2012 7:10:00 GMT
I think that this happens during crusades. For me Jones or what name she used then has arabic style clothes.
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Post by dreadedwave on Oct 22, 2012 7:10:13 GMT
I'm guessing not dying after she gets stabbed isn't going to convince them she's not a devil
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Post by woppy on Oct 22, 2012 7:12:16 GMT
I like how the knight really put a lot of thought into it before trying to turn her into a Jones-kebab.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 22, 2012 7:16:10 GMT
Testing for mortality is common through history across many cultures. If one or more weirdos come to your village, or if you travel to a foreign land full of weirdos, use your blades on them. If they don't die, or if they die and come back, then you know 100% you're dealing with the supernatural.
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Post by shirozaki on Oct 22, 2012 7:16:27 GMT
Technically that answers my speculations about Jones and the Witch hunt.
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Post by hoskins88 on Oct 22, 2012 7:17:08 GMT
Luckly Physics was the only thing killed by a spear in this chapter.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 22, 2012 7:19:22 GMT
Testing for mortality is common through history across many cultures. If one or more weirdos come to your village, or if you travel to a foreign land full of weirdos, use your blades on them. If they don't die, or if they die and come back, then you know 100% you're dealing with the supernatural. You're right. :) "During the last quarter of the 14th century, religious and lay authorities supported these superstitions, and society as a whole began to believe in the reality of demons and witches." NE: Knight templars, so this is happening at the latest in the early 14th century. You're right about the century as well.
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Post by Weeaboo on Oct 22, 2012 7:24:53 GMT
I think that this happens during crusades. For me Jones or what name she used then has arabic style clothes. Actually, she's wearing a habit. Or rather, a wimple. Which is a nun headdress. Which originally was worn because many women in that time thought it was unseemly to show their hair. In the 15th century it was rid of and women began to wear clear gauze to show their braids. This wiki article Tom linked explains it better: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimple
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Post by SpitefulFox on Oct 22, 2012 7:29:36 GMT
The flashbacks are going to keep going until we reach the dawn of time and Jones is just sitting around looking like she always does as energy and mass dance into existence.
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Post by sparky on Oct 22, 2012 7:32:16 GMT
Jones is thinking, "Tch, that was my favorite dress."
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 22, 2012 7:42:22 GMT
"Devil with a Blue Wimple On", thought the inspired Plaguey Long. Passing the song down his line of bards with a few changes, the rest is Motown history.
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Post by mrdarcy on Oct 22, 2012 7:46:36 GMT
Cookie time. NE: Knight templars, so this is happening at the latest in the early 14th century. Not necessarily Templars. It could be St. George's Cross, which was adopted as a national emblem by England in the late 13th century I believe, but was also used prior to that by English knights during the crusades. So that gives a much wider potential timeframe for this scene. Edit: However, given the shape of the cross ends, you're probably right in thinking it's the Templars. Edit 2: Not sure how much Tom knows about armor, but the man's use of a Norman helmet also supports the 'no later than the 14th century' claim legion makes. Assuming Tom didn't just pick a random, iconic helmet to ensure we knew this was somewhere in the middle ages.
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Post by alexh on Oct 22, 2012 8:08:39 GMT
So. There was a THUD. Not a CLANK or anything metallic. I imagine we can cross out the Golden Jones Theory. I liked that theory.
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Post by leah on Oct 22, 2012 8:11:22 GMT
I've been wondering exactly what are the rules for Jones's immortality, and it's nice to have more info. So she doesn't age, and time will not kill her, or her lifespan is so slow that it's not on a human scale (it might be on a geologic or astronomic scale). She's invulnerable, or she's invulnerable to ordinary human weapons (she might be vulnerable to Coyote's tooth or other things.) The chapter title "The Stone," if it refers to Jones, implies to me that she may be vulnerable to some things, she's just really hard to "hit."
I'm feeling pointed toward the question: Can Jones die? And, "Who are you?" doesn't feel fully answered unless we see her origins...something that explains or suggests how the "rules" of her existence came to be. Is she a star? Is she a god? Is she a construct? An avatar? How did she come to be? Why is she on Earth? Does she have a mission? What is her will? Why has she settled at Gunnerkrigg Court?
This is fascinating and I'm really hoping the chapter will end with her origins.
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Post by glyphomatrix on Oct 22, 2012 8:12:21 GMT
Jones demonstrating her indestructibility and badassitude since the Middle Ages.
Speaking about Jonesy's durability (and chapter title) do you guys remember when Coyote said "it causes him not see a stone when it is just a stone. Instead, his diseased eye sees a weapon. A symbol. The shape of a woman. A spark of inspiration!"
Maybe Jones is a sculpture after all? And maybe Coyote was referring to her, indirectly. Perhaps.
ETA: I forgot where I read this, but someone else mentioned the possibility that Jones might be the Venus of Willendorf (or the equivalent) that was depicted in the Third Treatise.
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Post by philman on Oct 22, 2012 8:15:49 GMT
Not necessarily the Templar knights, could just be any soldiers who have joined the crusade, they all tended to wear that st georges cross uniform, according to wikipedia the english wore white cross on red, and the french wore red cross on white. But after a time, both nationalities ended up wearing red cross on white. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_George's_Cross#Crusades And given the shape of the houses and churches in the background I would hazard a guess we are in western europe here, probably UK or france. Given the nature and history of the strip, I would assume england.
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Post by glyphomatrix on Oct 22, 2012 8:21:14 GMT
I've been wondering exactly what are the rules for Jones's immortality, and it's nice to have more info. So she doesn't age, and time will not kill her, or her lifespan is so slow that it's not on a human scale (it might be on a geologic or astronomic scale). She's invulnerable, or she's invulnerable to ordinary human weapons (she might be vulnerable to Coyote's tooth or other things.) The chapter title "The Stone," if it refers to Jones, implies to me that she may be vulnerable to some things, she's just really hard to "hit." I'm feeling pointed toward the question: Can Jones die? And, "Who are you?" doesn't feel fully answered unless we see her origins...something that explains or suggests how the "rules" of her existence came to be. Is she a star? Is she a god? Is she a construct? An avatar? How did she come to be? Why is she on Earth? Does she have a mission? What is her will? Why has she settled at Gunnerkrigg Court? This is fascinating and I'm really hoping the chapter will end with her origins. For some reasons I'd love to see said revelation in a stunning full-page like Kat's robo-angel. Something breathtakingly dramatic and unexpected.
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Post by legion on Oct 22, 2012 8:29:32 GMT
Crusaders had a cross as their emblem (hence the name, Latin crux, crucis, "cross"), but these had different shapes and colors to differentiate the different orders.
A red maltese cross on a white background was usually associated with the Templars; the Knights of Malta sported a white maltese cross on a black background; the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre sported a red Jerusalem Cross (a cross potent surrounded by four smaller crosses) on a white background, and so on.
(Heraldry is fun)
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 22, 2012 8:31:10 GMT
So. There was a THUD. Not a CLANK or anything metallic. I imagine we can cross out the Golden Jones Theory. I liked that theory. I'm still holding out hope that she's a walking Philosopher's Stone. The only other thing that makes since to me is that she's descended from an earth elemental. Then we'd have to flashback to mommy Jones turning to dust, which would be a major downer.
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Post by alexh on Oct 22, 2012 8:47:55 GMT
ETA: I forgot where I read this, but someone else mentioned the possibility that Jones might be the Venus of Willendorf (or the equivalent) that was depicted in the Third Treatise. The Venus of Willendorf is rather girthly. I doubt it. As to her being the Philosopher's Stone, yeah, it's an awesome idea, but she'd have to be a wielder of it instead, I think. Or something. That plus her being an alchemist would work.
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Post by pasko on Oct 22, 2012 8:56:37 GMT
Do I detect a hint of emotion on Jones' eyebrow?
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Post by oglokoog on Oct 22, 2012 8:58:43 GMT
Just how far back are we going to go?
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Post by dailenna on Oct 22, 2012 9:00:52 GMT
I like this page so much. I love how stunned the people are. She's been accused and they're angry, but they have no idea how to deal with someone who doesn't even scratch from a pike to the belly, so they just have to stand there while she leaves.
I wonder how many times Jones has had to uproot herself to move on to a new area - how many times she's been able to do that safely, and how many she's been forced to leave?
Yeah, I found the thud interesting too. I'm trying to figure out what that means. It's not really flesh sound or metal sound, which puts me back into mind of ... stone ... earth ... :/ So keen to find out what she is, but I don't want to skip any of the parts in between!
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