Salty
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Post by Salty on Oct 19, 2012 7:01:12 GMT
Welp, nothing unexpected in the context of this chapter. Though it does raise questions about Jones and Coyote.
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Post by smjjames on Oct 19, 2012 7:04:04 GMT
I was pretty close with my guess about the Mayflower.
Also, Roanoke!
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 19, 2012 7:04:15 GMT
Tom? Raising more questions than he answers? Say it aint so!
(I want some of Rolfe's golden tobbackie. That sounds like premium stuff.)
(also link plz)
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krael
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Post by krael on Oct 19, 2012 7:04:22 GMT
man, I'm aalready two minutes waiting for somebody to open that darned topic wait, so with the langdons she was in england people think, but two centuries before that she was in frickin virginia?
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Post by sapientcoffee on Oct 19, 2012 7:05:32 GMT
No Rolfe! Don't do it! Grow almost anything else!
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Post by smjjames on Oct 19, 2012 7:07:36 GMT
Also, while the 'golden weed' is either in reference to corn or tobacco, I wonder if this gold reference is significant here.
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krael
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Post by krael on Oct 19, 2012 7:07:49 GMT
ow, yes, rolfie and pocahontas, the place to be between:... John Rolfe (1585–1622)
Rolfe married Pocahontas, daughter of the local Native American leader Powhatan on April 5, 1614
all wiki of course
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 19, 2012 7:08:17 GMT
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Post by smjjames on Oct 19, 2012 7:08:41 GMT
No Rolfe! Don't do it! Grow almost anything else! LAUGHING ON LINE, yea, what with tobacco, but I have a feeling the golden weed might be a reference to corn rather than tobacco.
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Post by smjjames on Oct 19, 2012 7:09:38 GMT
Never mind, you're right, it was tobacco, what else could it have been
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 19, 2012 7:10:38 GMT
man, I'm aalready two minutes waiting for somebody to open that darned topic wait, so with the langdons she was in england people think, but two centuries before that she was in frickin virginia? I thought the Langdon estate scene was on a southern plantation and she returned to the UK , or did the sleuths come to some other conclusion? Haven't been keeping up with the scuttlebutt. Perhaps she went back sometime in between the scene where she is hired as governess and this one. I think it was vital for Tom to explain Jones in this way. We get to feel the full weight of eternity on her shoulders. No wonder she never smiles, she is cursed to watch all the people she loves waste away and die in front of her for the rest of eternity.
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Post by smjjames on Oct 19, 2012 7:14:11 GMT
man, I'm aalready two minutes waiting for somebody to open that darned topic wait, so with the langdons she was in england people think, but two centuries before that she was in frickin virginia? I thought the Langdon estate scene was on a southern plantation and she returned to the UK , or did the sleuths come to some other conclusion? Haven't been keeping up with the scuttlebutt. Perhaps she went back sometime in between the scene where she is hired as governess and this one. I think it was vital for Tom to explain Jones in this way. We get to feel the full weight of eternity on her shoulders. No wonder she never smiles, she is cursed to watch all the people she loves waste away and die in front of her for the rest of eternity. She may have been travelling between the UK and the American colonies for some time since she came with some of the earliest settlers in America. This strip is probably just a few years before the Mayflower left England, and THAT was in 1620.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 19, 2012 7:14:48 GMT
man, I'm aalready two minutes waiting for somebody to open that darned topic wait, so with the langdons she was in england people think, but two centuries before that she was in frickin virginia? I thought the Langdon House was in New England. Someone posted this link and this link a few days ago in the previous threads about the pages with Samuel Langdon.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Oct 19, 2012 7:15:31 GMT
wait, so with the langdons she was in england people think, but two centuries before that she was in frickin virginia? I really don't know. I'd feel a bit more confident if Langdon's manor...estate....whatever looked like anything in the US. AFAIK even the plantation homes didn't look like that. If the hedges were fancy, it'd look like France, but as is, with my limited knowledge, it looks like England. Guess it could be in Faux-merica. (apologies to Fringe)
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 19, 2012 7:16:45 GMT
Never mind, you're right, it was tobacco, what else could it have been I love colonial history. So brutal. The first wave were all fixated with finding the vast treasures of gold that they thought were hiding just around the next bend in the trail. The governor had to impose martial law and force people to grow crops so they wouldn't starve. Still didn't work. Starving, no food, no medicine, no women. They couldn't survive so they begged to the Indians, who they later slaughtered down to the last man, woman and child while stealing their land. They couldn't grow any useful crops so they grew the only thing that would take root: an addictive stimulant which kills millions of people a year. They couldn't till the land by themselves so they took on poor white indentured servants like Miss Jones and black slaves to work the fields. And the best part? They did it all on credit from a massive international corporation and the bourgeois royalty. Now that's the American way!
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Post by smjjames on Oct 19, 2012 7:18:41 GMT
man, I'm aalready two minutes waiting for somebody to open that darned topic wait, so with the langdons she was in england people think, but two centuries before that she was in frickin virginia? I thought the Langdon House was in New England. Someone posted this link and this link a few days ago in the previous threads about the pages with Samuel Langdon. In any case, we're now among some of the earliest settlers to the American colonies. It would have been cool to see what she did during the revolutionary war since she was right in the midst of all that. Okay, now that we have jumped from the mid 18th century to the early 17th, anybody want to speculate how much further back we'll go? Also, this kind of ruins that graph someone made, unless the curve isn't that steep.
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 19, 2012 7:22:02 GMT
I thought the Langdon House was in New England. Someone posted this link and this link a few days ago in the previous threads about the pages with Samuel Langdon. In any case, we're now among some of the earliest settlers to the American colonies. It would have been cool to see what she did during the revolutionary war since she was right in the midst of all that. Okay, now that we have jumped from the mid 18th century to the early 17th, anybody want to speculate how much further back we'll go? Also, this kind of ruins that graph someone made, unless the curve isn't that steep. I was just about to see where this fits in on Krael's chart... I believe the curve was X squared, so it increases exponentially. Should be steep enough. As for how much farther back we are going to go, at this rate I think we can't count out the possibility of seeing Jones in a leopardskin leotard, fending off saber-tooth tigers.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 19, 2012 7:24:46 GMT
As for how much farther back we are going to go, at this rate I think we can't count out the possibility of seeing Jones in a leopardskin leotard, fending off saber-tooth tigers. My dreams... are shattered.
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Post by secondofnone on Oct 19, 2012 7:25:45 GMT
They couldn't till the land by themselves so they took on poor white indentured servants like Miss Jones and black slaves to work the fields. I read that, and got a mental image of men with axes and picks and shovels struggling to clear trees from a future field - then "poor" Miss Jones uproots a tree with her bare hands.
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 19, 2012 7:29:41 GMT
It would have been cool to see what she did during the revolutionary war since she was right in the midst of all that. I was looking forward to that too. Oh well. Due to smallpox making its way up from South America, post-Plymouth America was a little post-apocalyptic, without the settlers completely realizing it. Plymouth had a much easier go of things than Jamestown. Though I have a feeling Jones got along just fine with her native neighbors. I wonder if any noticed extra weight, when Jones got in the skiff to go ashore.
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Post by smjjames on Oct 19, 2012 7:30:00 GMT
In any case, we're now among some of the earliest settlers to the American colonies. It would have been cool to see what she did during the revolutionary war since she was right in the midst of all that. Okay, now that we have jumped from the mid 18th century to the early 17th, anybody want to speculate how much further back we'll go? Also, this kind of ruins that graph someone made, unless the curve isn't that steep. I was just about to see where this fits in on Krael's chart... I believe the curve was X squared, so it increases exponentially. Should be steep enough. As for how much farther back we are going to go, at this rate I think we can't count out the possibility of seeing Jones in a leopardskin leotard, fending off saber-tooth tigers. Actually, despite the detour to Samuels childhood, we're still on track, he predicted 1630, which was 10-15 years later than this strip. Since she came with some of the earliest colonists, it doesn't look like it would be Coyote time, unless she went to the Spanish colonies. Next up: 1630: Jones offfers popcorn to english colonists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1630) Strip after that: somewhere in the 1300s: If jones still is in america, no colonists will have been there yet, so maybe then it is coyote time?
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Rymdljus
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Post by Rymdljus on Oct 19, 2012 7:35:03 GMT
This is so weird. I was reading about the Roanoke colony on Cracked just yesterday evening, and I had never heard of it before. It freaks me out when things like that happen.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 19, 2012 7:35:29 GMT
I wonder what Tom's comment "She went 'missing' shortly after" means. Shortly after the boat ride there?
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Post by secondofnone on Oct 19, 2012 7:39:19 GMT
I wonder what Tom's comment "She went 'missing' shortly after" means. Shortly after the boat ride there? I'd guess it means that she left her employer and set out into the wild, to explore the new world and meet its inhabitants.
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 19, 2012 7:39:54 GMT
Okay. Two things were cleared, thinks I: 1. The events of Langdon Estate occurred in America. 2. We are not going to be told the common history of Jones and Coyote in this chapter. At least not before we get to read her actual changing with Annie.
She must have left the States after being arrested and losing her fortune. It is a clear moment for moving on to something else, leaving the old neighbourhood.
Another less clear one would be this: if this Jones-story continues like this, the next stop should be in England, shouldn't it? This is not necessarily so, because she could have come from another country to join the ship. But Europe is quite good guess.
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 19, 2012 7:47:00 GMT
I wonder what Tom's comment "She went 'missing' shortly after" means. Shortly after the boat ride there? I'd guess it means that she left her employer and set out into the wild, to explore the new world and meet its inhabitants. Maybe a little trip to what was then northern Aztlan, eh? Perhaps she ran into a certain coyote while she was walking around. Does Jones need to eat? I don't get the impression she does. When she pulled out those sweets for Shadow, Tom informs us that she only has them because someone gave them to her.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 19, 2012 7:57:41 GMT
Who's Jones having an affair with in this era?
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Post by jasmijn on Oct 19, 2012 7:57:49 GMT
Great, now "Golden Years" is stuck in my head (with "years" replaced by "weed" in the lyrics...)
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Post by smjjames on Oct 19, 2012 7:58:03 GMT
Another less clear one would be this: if this Jones-story continues like this, the next stop should be in England, shouldn't it? This is not necessarily so, because she could have come from another country to join the ship. But Europe is quite good guess. Also, between Langdons childhood and now, we don't know if she stayed in the fledgling United States through that time or not. Anyways, her clothes match that of England, but then again, the fashion was probably similar in other places in Europe (not that I know what the fashion would be in the rest of Europe among the commoners at that time). The next strip is likely going to be as far back as the 1300's, maybe 1400's, so she could very well be anywhere. We're also getting ever closer to the founding of the court, but Jones wasn't there during the early days. Somewhat offtopic, but did we ever figure out approximatly what century Jeanne and Diego lived in? I think we might have pinned it down somewhere around the 1400's to 1500's
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Post by wlerin on Oct 19, 2012 8:00:56 GMT
It should be noted that there is no Samuel Langdon associated with the New Hampshire house. That was John Langdon, and none of his heirs seem to have borne the name Samuel. There was another Langdon by the name of Samuel, cotemporary with John Langdon, but he was not his son, and is not connected to that house. Further, the Elizabeth Langdon who was associated with said house retained possession of it until after the Second World War.
So the two houses are not identical. The Langdon house in NH may have inspired the one in the comic, but there are far to many points of divergence. This is probably also the case with the factory disaster some pages back back.
The lack of dateable outside events makes it impossible to place the last three comics with certainty, apart from the rough time scale presented at the head, and the obvious aging of Samuel Langdon (?). This comic, however, can be reliably dated to between 1614 and 1617.
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