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Post by SpitefulFox on Oct 12, 2012 7:01:41 GMT
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Post by sapientcoffee on Oct 12, 2012 7:04:12 GMT
She's just well-preserved is all!
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Post by fillerb on Oct 12, 2012 7:10:51 GMT
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Post by maximkat on Oct 12, 2012 7:10:59 GMT
So she is Elizabeth now, eh?
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Post by krael on Oct 12, 2012 7:17:57 GMT
indeed. The presumed daughter? 9 children eh, jones? anyway, if we go with this langdon house (common name), does that place her in america? Are we seeing coyote anytime soon then? |
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Post by willy on Oct 12, 2012 7:18:20 GMT
Now we are clearly on 40's. I suppose that Jones has moved to Gunnerkrigg soon after that incident.
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Post by alexh on Oct 12, 2012 7:19:03 GMT
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Post by psykeout on Oct 12, 2012 7:19:42 GMT
ah. So the question I'm thinkin: Was Wandering Eye's first identity"Elizabeth," and she was hiding so nobody knew she was aging, or did the estate belong to an Elizabeth, which Wandering Eye took the name Elizabeth, and was hiding so people wouldn't know that she was not actually Elizabeth?
I'm pretty sure it's the latter I think that's what's happening but this page sorta threw me for a loop for a sec.
Also daanng jones nice neck you got there
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 12, 2012 7:20:51 GMT
What's really interesting is how Grabby McNosy is yanking on her in panel 4. It looks pretty forceful, going by the way her skirt is displaced and her feet are lagging her center mass. He should notice her weight. Too bad it looks like we're fading out in the last panel, I'd like to see her have to hand out smackdowns to Grabby and Officer Tubbs Beardy and company so that she can escape. Nothing against Officer Tubbs and the lads, I'm sure they're just doing their jobs, but I like the smackdowns.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 12, 2012 7:23:51 GMT
Couple of men break into the room to take her away and she's still emotionless.
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Post by secondofnone on Oct 12, 2012 7:27:23 GMT
I'd put this at late 19th to very early 20th century. Also, why is she there? What purpose or end is served by posing as Elizabeth Langdon? Is it just something to do, to while away the endless years, or is it vitally important?
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Post by dailenna on Oct 12, 2012 7:31:14 GMT
indeed. The presumed daughter? 9 children eh, jones? anyway, if we go with this langdon house (common name), does that place her in america? Are we seeing coyote anytime soon then? Me thinks *potentially* the wife, the daughter (after some switcherooing), and the great-grandaughter. That would leave Elizabeth (Jones) owning the house, hence the "old heiress". I'm predicting that we see a lot of changing of names from now on, so that if we were to read it chronologically we'd see a lot of different names, then suddenly 1102 with the "Will you take my name?"/"For as long as I can." and she's Jones from then on. I'm also wondering when all of this will stop. I think one of the potential stopping points that I don't think anyone's mentioned is her meeting with Coyote before. ("Wandering Eye" ... "Jones - is that the name you go by now?", etc.) So either it'll end with her and Coyote or with her creation/imortalisation. That's my theory anyway! |
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Post by download on Oct 12, 2012 7:33:32 GMT
Jones is a being that that by taking someone's name, they take their memories or something. Possibly in the search for knowledge...
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 12, 2012 7:47:37 GMT
9 children eh, jones? anyway, if we go with this langdon house (common name), does that place her in america? Are we seeing coyote anytime soon then? This might be irrelevant, or maybe it isn't, but since Elizabeth/Emma/Jones/Wandering Eye is in New England in this page, I'm wondering what her accent is in the present day. I understand that this may be around 1784-1833 (according to the link above) and people may still have English accents then, but I wonder when she actually does move to the UK and to Gunnerkrigg Court. That is, perhaps she sticks around in America for a while, you know? If she's in America for a while, does her American accent stick when she's in the UK? Does her accent change? AND this leads me to assume that she's probably been in more parts of the world in the past. I mean, she's had multiple identities. Can't stick around somewhere where people are gonna start getting suspicious that she hasn't aged. |
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Post by Max on Oct 12, 2012 7:48:24 GMT
The John Langdon house connection is interesting, but I doubt it has any connection to this story. That house is located in the United States, and the "Lady" title implies nobility, which has never existed there.
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 12, 2012 7:48:31 GMT
Couple of men break into the room to take her away and she's still emotionless. That's the first giveaway that she aint proper nobility. Any lady worth her salt would be swooning or smacking them about the face. |
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Post by alexh on Oct 12, 2012 7:52:09 GMT
Couple of men break into the room to take her away and she's still emotionless. That's the first giveaway that she aint proper nobility. Any lady worth her salt would be swooning or smacking them about the face. Or readin one of them many many many (seriously, count them) books. EDIT: There are, by my haphazard count, at least 60 books in that room. It is probably just a library. |
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Post by bedinsis on Oct 12, 2012 8:11:15 GMT
My prediction: in this' history of Jones'-flashback we're gonna see the similar distortion. |
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Post by krael on Oct 12, 2012 8:21:28 GMT
I'm suspecting by now that the name wandering eye doesn't actually have to tell us that much about the nature of Jones. It could just as easy be the random native-american identity she wore when she first met coyote.
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Post by krael on Oct 12, 2012 8:22:09 GMT
however, There's bobbies in the background. are we sure she's in new england? edit: www.milwaukeesfinest.net/1800s.htmlI guess she could have been in newengland, anywhere in the late 1800/s early 1900s. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 12, 2012 8:22:11 GMT
My prediction: in this' history of Jones'-flashback we're gonna see the similar distortion. "I've seen similar, but never anything like that" "coming from you, that troubles me greatly" This is where the magic of this comic is. Quotes that are hundreds of pages old suddenly gain a whole new context with every update. |
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Post by krael on Oct 12, 2012 8:44:01 GMT
Okok, so Apparantly, around the 1800s, the original langdon had the house build, and even had mr washinton himself over for tea (langdon was some revolution guy apparantly). Langdon indeed then had a wife AND daughter called elizabeth. Later the house fell in other hands, but in 1902, yet ANOTHER elizabeth langdon took the house back into family hands. As dailenna said: Jones could very well be at least two of them. after all: if we look at the math (I'll updat ethe graph on monday  ), this strip SHOULD play around 1900, and the NEXT strip should be around 1800. As we have seen how obsessed Jones is with eglamore, following him his whole life, we can easily imagine her watching over the Langdon family for more than a lifetime. Revolutionary america sure was an interesting place to be around I'd say. |
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 12, 2012 8:44:42 GMT
I wonder if the next page will show these bobbies interrogating Jones... or if it'll be a page with MANY CENTURIES AGO at the top.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Oct 12, 2012 9:18:16 GMT
Wandering I
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Post by Lightice on Oct 12, 2012 9:37:59 GMT
Interesting. This seems to give roundabout support to my earlier theory that Jones is somehow compelled or driven to fulfill people's needs to her best ability. When Eglamore feels rejected and worthless, she steps in to the role of a love interest. When Mr. Jones dies, she provides him comfort in his last moments, and apparently ensures that a part of him lives on. To Annie she has provided the role of a solid mentor and an aloof, but constant maternal figure -- I know that hasn't been emphasized, but she is the most reliable adult presence in Annie's life at the moment.
And here she has apparently fulfilled the role of the lady of the manor, possibly taking the place of the original one to fill a void, either for her husband's, or her own sake. Considering her immortality, she could ofcourse be the original one herself, but the historical tidbits dug by the fellow forumites seem to indicate otherwise.
So, Jones is someone who lives to help others, to the best extent of her limited expressive range. Is there a mythological figure like that in existence?
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Post by dailenna on Oct 12, 2012 9:42:54 GMT
I dunno, it could be that she feels "compelled", but to me it seems more like an immortal person trying to live as close to a normal life as they can when everyone else is immortal. I mean, what would you do if the people you were close to kept dying? Probably closet yourself in a house for a while until you're forced out and back into real life.
Thinking about the earth-elemental theory ... we've seen her fulfil many roles, yes, but as far as we know she hasn't had any children. Maybe she's barren and can't "pass it on". If that's not too bleak an idea.
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Post by emanon on Oct 12, 2012 10:44:25 GMT
To be honest, I'm revising my theory that she's somehow related to the "wandering eye" deity and ditching it entirely with this chapter.
The most likely answer in my mind is FAAAR more mundane and simple and the clues are all through the series.
Jones is an alchemist. "The Stone" mentioned in the cover page of the chapter is none other than the Philosopher's Stone, which she partook of and became immortal.
Given the Court's origins are firmly couched in alchemy and said to have sprung from the seed Bismuth, it's most likely to be a construct of Jones' alchemical talents.
In short, Jones was a woman who mastered alchemy and cracked the Holy Grail of that art, the Philosopher's Stone. Doing so, she attained immortality (and perhaps her curious invulnerability).
We're seeing meaningful moments of her long life (probably clear back to her attaining immortality).
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 12, 2012 11:08:32 GMT
To be honest, I'm revising my theory that she's somehow related to the "wandering eye" deity and ditching it entirely with this chapter. The most likely answer in my mind is FAAAR more mundane and simple and the clues are all through the series. Jones is an alchemist. "The Stone" mentioned in the cover page of the chapter is none other than the Philosopher's Stone, which she partook of and became immortal. Given the Court's origins are firmly couched in alchemy and said to have sprung from the seed Bismuth, it's most likely to be a construct of Jones' alchemical talents. In short, Jones was a woman who mastered alchemy and cracked the Holy Grail of that art, the Philosopher's Stone. Doing so, she attained immortality (and perhaps her curious invulnerability). We're seeing meaningful moments of her long life (probably clear back to her attaining immortality).  I had to pick up my jaw off the floor and blink a few times after reading that with eyes open wide from excitement! This is awesome! Great theory! Oh man! I am almost certain that you could be right about this! I can't believe we didn't see this before... I think we just overlooked it, or we kept making this mystery harder on ourselves... I don't know if you're the first to suggest that Jones is an alchemist, but it's the first time I read it here (since I'm new on the forums). I pondered over WHY the chapter is called The Stone. My guess was that it has to do with a golem heart like in [884] through [889], and that Jones might soon explain that she's not a robot, but a golem (like other people theorized in previous threads) but of course, I could be wrong. And of course, I like your theory waaay better! |
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Post by foresterr on Oct 12, 2012 11:40:11 GMT
Jones is an alchemist. "The Stone" mentioned in the cover page of the chapter is none other than the Philosopher's Stone, which she partook of and became immortal. Oooh, I like this. It could explain both her humanity, and emotionlessness (I can see how becoming immortal and living for a few centuries, when everybody you knows drops dead around you would do a number on your emotions, sort of "I should not care, because it would only hurt in the end"), and also gives a possibility of showing her with a... somewhat different personality in the beginning. That would be cute ^^ However, this does not explain the whole name-stealing business... unless it's purely metaphorical. If you are immortal and want to keep a low profile, you are bound to have to change your identity occasionally, and it's easier to adopt an existing one. But still... why would Jones existence as an immortal alchemist put Coyote's great secret to question, while actually confirming it? |
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Post by philman on Oct 12, 2012 11:45:27 GMT
To be honest, I'm revising my theory that she's somehow related to the "wandering eye" deity and ditching it entirely with this chapter. The most likely answer in my mind is FAAAR more mundane and simple and the clues are all through the series. Jones is an alchemist. "The Stone" mentioned in the cover page of the chapter is none other than the Philosopher's Stone, which she partook of and became immortal. Given the Court's origins are firmly couched in alchemy and said to have sprung from the seed Bismuth, it's most likely to be a construct of Jones' alchemical talents. In short, Jones was a woman who mastered alchemy and cracked the Holy Grail of that art, the Philosopher's Stone. Doing so, she attained immortality (and perhaps her curious invulnerability). We're seeing meaningful moments of her long life (probably clear back to her attaining immortality). Ooooh now that's a nice theory. Although the court's founding was based on alchemy, and she is known to not be around at the start of the court. Unless she is the daughter or descendent of one of the alchemical founders. Still, it's a nice new avenue to go down for ideas about the Stone. Although I still like the idea of a stone/earth elemental to counter the Fire elemental in Annie. If we are going with the Langdon estate in new England, then this would be in 1833 according to the website posted above, that wouldn't fit in with the 'many decades' surely? Or maybe we are speeding up faster than the graph someone made would guess at! (extrapolating rapidly exponential graphs like that is fraught with error!). I am guessing the next one may be 'centuries ago' and may see her with the first settlers in the US perhaps, where she meets coyote and he calls her Wandering Eye? If she is immortal it would make sense for her to travel around alot, to avoid situations such as in this strip. Also the bobbies in the background appear to be wearing UK police uniforms with those distinctive hats, unless the police in new england were still wearing those at that time in history. |
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), this strip SHOULD play around 1900, and the NEXT strip should be around 1800. As we have seen how obsessed Jones is with eglamore, following him his whole life, we can easily imagine her watching over the Langdon family for more than a lifetime. Revolutionary america sure was an interesting place to be around I'd say.
