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Post by Max on Sept 17, 2012 7:00:38 GMT
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Post by woppy on Sept 17, 2012 7:02:59 GMT
Ys seems awfully unfazed for having lost a chunk of his memories and waking up in unclothed pieces on the forest floor....I wonder how many times this has happened before. :S
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Post by Tobu Ishi on Sept 17, 2012 7:04:13 GMT
Welp. This unearths a lot of rather nasty things wriggling around the roots of Ysengrin's slavish, solemn devotion to Coyote, doesn't it.
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Post by sotha on Sept 17, 2012 7:08:05 GMT
It sure is nice to know The Great Secret.
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Post by contrition on Sept 17, 2012 7:09:08 GMT
Welp. This unearths a lot of rather nasty things wriggling around the roots of Ysengrin's slavish, solemn devotion to Coyote, doesn't it. : | On a related note, after the exposition in this chapter on why Coyote loves humans, and Annie commenting on Ysengrin assuming such a human form, it's a lot harder to distinguish whether Coyote forces him to take a form more pleasing to his eye or if he chooses to do so himself, despite his apparent hatred for humans. Either way, another fantastic chapter concluded. |
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Post by SpitefulFox on Sept 17, 2012 7:21:24 GMT
Coyote has dethroned Diego for Biggest Jerkbag in my book. >:c
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 17, 2012 8:19:27 GMT
TIME FOR JONESSSSSSSSSS
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Post by Morpheus on Sept 17, 2012 9:15:30 GMT
Coyote you sick and depraved bastard, I used to like you...
Edit: Splelign. Damn phones and their auto-correct.
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Post by La Goon on Sept 17, 2012 9:45:53 GMT
Welp. This unearths a lot of rather nasty things wriggling around the roots of Ysengrin's slavish, solemn devotion to Coyote, doesn't it. : | On a related note, after the exposition in this chapter on why Coyote loves humans, and Annie commenting on Ysengrin assuming such a human form, it's a lot harder to distinguish whether Coyote forces him to take a form more pleasing to his eye or if he chooses to do so himself, despite his apparent hatred for humans. I'm starting to think the first option seems more likely than the latter, though perhaps Ysengrin's hatred for humans is actually the motivating factor for Coyote to make him take a human-like shape. This is perhaps a bit to the "wild speculation" side, but maybe - when coyote gave Ysengrin power over the trees - he made a sort of hidden clause that a human-like shape would automatically be the most natural/comfortable for a wooden "power suit". This shape does have a very anatomically correct look to it (at least the upper part), but when Ysengrin takes other shapes it tends to be more messy (though taking another look at parts of the archive I may not have as much reason to say that as I thought had). "Also, put your clothes back on you old fool!". Sounds like it might also have been Coyote who made Ysengrin wear that robe in the first place... |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 17, 2012 12:31:09 GMT
On a related note, after the exposition in this chapter on why Coyote loves humans, and Annie commenting on Ysengrin assuming such a human form, it's a lot harder to distinguish whether Coyote forces him to take a form more pleasing to his eye or if he chooses to do so himself, despite his apparent hatred for humans. I'm starting to think the first option seems more likely than the latter, though perhaps Ysengrin's hatred for humans is actually the motivating factor for Coyote to make him take a human-like shape. This is perhaps a bit to the "wild speculation" side, but maybe - when coyote gave Ysengrin power over the trees - he made a sort of hidden clause that a human-like shape would automatically be the most natural/comfortable for a wooden "power suit". This shape does have a very anatomically correct look to it (at least the upper part), but when Ysengrin takes other shapes it tends to be more messy (though taking another look at parts of the archive I may not have as much reason to say that as I thought had). "Also, put your clothes back on you old fool!". Sounds like it might also have been Coyote who made Ysengrin wear that robe in the first place... We've seen Rey and Ys take powerful male forms before (albeit for, heh, slightly different reasons.) Coyote has taken a bipedal form as a smallish elf, but physically powerful would not be an adjective I'd use to describe him. With all of his fascination with humans, why hasn't Coyote shaped himself as a human? Disdain, I imagine? |
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Post by Earin on Sept 17, 2012 12:44:57 GMT
With all of his fascination with humans, why hasn't Coyote shaped himself as a human? Disdain, I imagine? I suspect it is because his current form makes people underestimate him. |
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Post by goldenknots on Sept 17, 2012 13:09:54 GMT
I think it's going to be interesting to see Antimony's reaction to Ysengrin's reversion to calm when she sees him next. (Which I have no doubt she will.) Will she investigate further and discover his amnesia? If so, and if she finds out how it happened, I wonder if she'll decide that it's something she needs to do something about.
She likes Ysengrin, and considers him a friend, after all, but she has always been somewhat wary of Coyote. Learning that one "great secret" was a little anticlimactic, but the secret of his control over Ysengrin might move her to action.
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Post by darlos9d on Sept 17, 2012 13:20:41 GMT
I think it's going to be interesting to see Antimony's reaction to Ysengrin's reversion to calm when she sees him next. (Which I have no doubt she will.) Will she investigate further and discover his amnesia? If so, and if she finds out how it happened, I wonder if she'll decide that it's something she needs to do something about. She likes Ysengrin, and considers him a friend, after all, but she has always been somewhat wary of Coyote. Learning that one "great secret" was a little anticlimactic, but the secret of his control over Ysengrin might move her to action. Yeah, this is pretty much what I'm hoping about Annie. Rather than her just calling Ys a jerk and stoking the drama, I'd hope her deductive senses would tingle and cause her to think there's something going on here. |
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Post by legion on Sept 17, 2012 13:44:22 GMT
Coyote knows how to pull Ys together. Through psychological abuse.
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Post by La Goon on Sept 17, 2012 14:19:44 GMT
I wonder if any of the stories Surma told Antimony contained Coyotes ability to snatch memories. Otherwise she'll perhaps find out herself on a trip to the library. It's been a while since she's been there anyway (is Coyotes ability to steal memories actually part of any of the original myths?).
I imagine this experience will be a bit of a wakeup call to Annie that could inspire her to do some research in order to be better prepared.
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 17, 2012 14:22:22 GMT
Coyote knows how to pull Ys together. Through psychological abuse. Mind control: increase your employee's productivity TODAY! And now for a limited time only we'll throw in our award-winning handbook: Coyote: Getting What You Want and Nothing Else, just pay shipping and handling! |
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Post by q3 on Sept 17, 2012 15:35:48 GMT
Ys seems awfully unfazed for having lost a chunk of his memories and waking up in unclothed pieces on the forest floor....I wonder how many times this has happened before. :S "It's a blacked out blur, but I'm pretty sure it ruled." |
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Post by crater on Sept 17, 2012 16:05:40 GMT
and thus, the cycle is complete
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Post by nero on Sept 17, 2012 16:23:17 GMT
Poor Ysengrin. I hope Annie and Jones can help.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Sept 17, 2012 17:22:08 GMT
Coyote removes that which would make Ysengrin kind.
Think about that.
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Post by Dentrala on Sept 17, 2012 18:22:52 GMT
Coyote removes that which would make Ysengrin kind. Think about that. Ahhh mind broke. Great observation. |
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Post by steelpanther on Sept 17, 2012 19:23:34 GMT
Tom, you magnificent bastard. End the chapter on a Monday so we have to wait a whole 7 days for the next content? That's what I call reader retention =P I think it's going to be interesting to see Antimony's reaction to Ysengrin's reversion to calm when she sees him next. (Which I have no doubt she will.) Will she investigate further and discover his amnesia? If so, and if she finds out how it happened, I wonder if she'll decide that it's something she needs to do something about. This is exactly what I think is going to be the next forest arc. With an added side of massive paranoia about Ys. |
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Post by flamewise on Sept 17, 2012 20:04:30 GMT
Hello.
Today's update finally made me register, to say the following:
I love these three pages of Coyote / Isengrim interaction, and how much it changes how I think of these most amazing creatures. I'm wondering now: Is Isengrim his own master at all? Who gave him his trunk, actually? And who made him attack Antimony? Is it the wild animal in him? Or is it ..
.. and here it gets even more interesting.
The way Coyote stays out of this until it is resolved, and then just soothes Isengrim - wait, at first he seems to just want to make him feel better, then against his wishes he erase his memory, and then he .. COMMANDS him like you would ... a child?
Coyote, are you a father? And did YOU make him attack? No... no... No way, oh all right, I'm confused. Well done, Coyote, well done, and fully in character and all without admitting you're breaking any fourth wall.
Thank you for these updates.
The posters made it here all right in SPITE of me fumbling the address, haha, already looking for the next one.
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Post by Necropaxx on Sept 17, 2012 20:38:27 GMT
Ysengrin noooooooo!
Coyote is now more or less completely evil in my book. Utterly selfish... Blegh. I didn't even like him all that much when he was "benign," now he is Enemy #1 (again, IMO).
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Post by Marnath on Sept 17, 2012 21:04:05 GMT
Coyote has dethroned Diego for Biggest Jerkbag in my book. >:c I don't agree with that. Coyote is a huge jerk, but he wouldn't be a very good trickster god if he wasn't. I think Diego's sins weigh more heavily because he could have chosen to be the better man and let Jeanne go. |
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Post by krael on Sept 17, 2012 21:15:42 GMT
on a tangent, flowing from the insight that Coyote manipulates Ysengrin very actively, this sheds a new light on the matter of the Tictoc Ysengrin planted at the annan waters. Red says he found it right away and planted it.. Later, on the diplomatic visit, Ysengrin claims to have found it months after. Now, initially people assumed this was Ysengrin creating an excuse to make a fuss, but in hindsight he might have been mindwiped and honnest, sorta. Now real shokking revelations, but it would mean that dirtbag coyote was creating the excuse, and abusing poor Yssie to do it. At the same diplomatic visit Ysengrin got a rage fit too, actually, which was also clearly planned by coyote. Hmm, it's good we start taking coyote serious again; we hadn't seen really tricksy tricks so far, I reckon, but this; this is a Loki-instigating-brother-murder level trickster god stuff. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 17, 2012 21:33:59 GMT
on a tangent, flowing from the insight that Coyote manipulates Ysengrin very actively, this sheds a new light on the matter of the Tictoc Ysengrin planted at the annan waters. Red says he found it right away and planted it.. Later, on the diplomatic visit, Ysengrin claims to have found it months after. Now, initially people assumed this was Ysengrin creating an excuse to make a fuss, but in hindsight he might have been mindwiped and honnest, sorta. Now real shokking revelations, but it would mean that dirtbag coyote was creating the excuse, and abusing poor Yssie to do it. At the same diplomatic visit Ysengrin got a rage fit too, actually, which was also clearly planned by coyote. A+++ would read again! Yes, I can't believe I didn't put this together with the tic-toc incident. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 17, 2012 22:32:32 GMT
Coyote has dethroned Diego for Biggest Jerkbag in my book. >:c I don't agree with that. Coyote is a huge jerk, but he wouldn't be a very good trickster god if he wasn't. I think Diego's sins weigh more heavily because he could have chosen to be the better man and let Jeanne go. Agree, I am not sure that Coyote is even able to change his behavior. With all of his fascination with humans, why hasn't Coyote shaped himself as a human? Disdain, I imagine? I suspect it is because his current form makes people underestimate him. He has assumed human form, remember Jolly Elfsberry? And presumably he's done it a lot, whenever tricks needed playing. His default forms of iconic-coyote and Skeletor-coyote (when he is confronting his own non-existence) are probably natural results from why he is and as real as his shapes get, I suppose. And that reminds me about the trick Coyote played on Antimony, the one when he set her up to get caught spying on Ys. If she had panicked and broken down or fainted when Ys was towering over her, then would Coyote have taken her memory of it in likewise manner as he did to Ys this chapter? |
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 18, 2012 0:09:43 GMT
Perhaps, Coyote creepily devours Y's madness. It's hard to know what exactly is going on, but we'd have to jump through more than a few logic hoops, to make Coyote's actions benevolent. Just creepy.
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Post by wanderer on Sept 18, 2012 0:10:13 GMT
Man, this is just all kinds of disturbing.
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