woppy
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Post by woppy on Sept 14, 2012 7:05:45 GMT
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 14, 2012 7:07:25 GMT
That makes a lot more sense. Anyone still doubting Coyote is going to be an antagonist? He just kicked the dog here. LITERALLY. |
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Post by fillerb on Sept 14, 2012 7:09:23 GMT
Well. This explains a lot. Poor, poor Ysengrin. No wonder he lost his mind.
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Post by lamepudding on Sept 14, 2012 7:10:18 GMT
Well. This explains a lot. Poor, poor Ysengrin. No wonder he lost his mind. Pretty much literally. |
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Post by exuberancium on Sept 14, 2012 7:13:39 GMT
O______O
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Post by contrition on Sept 14, 2012 7:14:27 GMT
I can't decide whether panel 6 or 7 is the most morbid image in the comic to date, but it's certain that nothing else comes close. A lost mind indeed, literally. I wonder just how far this specific scene goes through the years?
This also casts some of Ysengrin's other statements in a new light; when he implied that the Court planted the Tic-toc on the Forest's side of the river months prior to the incident on the bridge, for example, was he really lying or has he been losing time because of scenarios like this?
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bingli
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Post by bingli on Sept 14, 2012 7:19:27 GMT
Coyote is using the Tree-hand?
Weren't some of you saying last page that Coyote was controlling the trees?
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Post by Max on Sept 14, 2012 7:25:26 GMT
I wonder if the removal of Ysengrin's memories has anything to do with the binding the Coyote put on Annie's hand during the summer.
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 14, 2012 7:34:00 GMT
This also casts some of Ysengrin's other statements in a new light; when he implied that the Court planted the Tic-toc on the Forest's side of the river months prior to the incident on the bridge, for example, was he really lying or has he been losing time because of scenarios like this? I was thinking the same thing. Also, which memories did Coyote just swallow? How large of a track of time did he gobble up? What creepy kind of acid reflux does that diet cause? What does he use for antacid... Fairy Tears? |
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Post by arf on Sept 14, 2012 7:39:56 GMT
The term you are seeking* to describe Coyote is 'lethovore'
"Tell me stories" has just taken on a more sinister meaning than thou did'st dream, o' Ysengrin!
(Does that last panel remind you of the way Coyote played with the Moon?)
*along with a host of better known and pungent ones!
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Post by arf on Sept 14, 2012 7:43:11 GMT
...not to mention the hurt and confusion next time Ys and Annie meet.
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Post by asianborat on Sept 14, 2012 7:43:27 GMT
Oh my jesus...
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Post by philman on Sept 14, 2012 7:52:32 GMT
I've thought Coyote is up to something for a while, I never liked him, I was always hiding something, can never trust a word he says. He is one of the old gods, and what did the old gods of mythology like more than anything else? using the humans and all other creatures as their playthings to wage secret wars.
Ysengrin sold his soul when he got the tree-body, he just didn't realise how tricksy Coyote was...
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Post by rafk on Sept 14, 2012 7:56:06 GMT
If there was anyone still arguing that poor Ysengrin is a headcase who just didn't want to admit to himself he attacked Annie, and that Coyote is any kind of benevolent character....
Coyote As People's Favourite Character, RIP: 2008-2012.
Welcome to the world, Coyote As People's Most Hated Character! Born 14 September 2012. You can join Diego and Sir Young up there.
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Post by stephen on Sept 14, 2012 7:57:51 GMT
And this is the page where my jaw drops and remains firmly in that position for quite a while.
Wow. Damn. I think we've been mostly giving Coyote too much credit, somehow, despite the fact that we all knew he was a generally selfish trickster god. Here, we see (as we really might have been able to tell all along) that he is capable of some downright nasty evil. The mind reels, trying to picture what his ultimate goal is with all this.
Note that none of this changes what Jones said about him never telling a lie -- just be very careful how you handle his advice.
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Post by Ashley Y on Sept 14, 2012 8:13:19 GMT
I like how this balances out the eeeevil on the Court and the Forest.
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Salty
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Post by Salty on Sept 14, 2012 8:15:34 GMT
Welp.
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Post by Lightice on Sept 14, 2012 8:16:50 GMT
Coyote is using the Tree-hand? Weren't some of you saying last page that Coyote was controlling the trees? That can't be the case. Tom has confirmed that when Coyote gives away a power, it's literally gone unless he takes it back. That's what his frontpaws have always looked like, when he decides to have fingers. They look kind of wooden even when they are paw-shaped. In other news, wow.  I doubt that anyone quite managed to predict the creep-factor of this page. I wonder; Coyote may well imagine that he's doing Ys a favour. And just maybe, at this point he might be. Imagine if he gave all those traumatic memories back at once... |
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Post by skythorn on Sept 14, 2012 8:18:23 GMT
Coyote As People's Favourite Character, RIP: 2008-2012. Quite. Hear hear! |
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Post by foresterr on Sept 14, 2012 8:23:38 GMT
OK, I was not expecting the mind rape. This was EVIL. I will go hug myself in the corner now  And just maybe, at this point he might be. Imagine if he gave all those traumatic memories back at once... Oh I am sure he is just saving it for a special moment. |
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Post by SpitefulFox on Sept 14, 2012 8:26:33 GMT
Coyote's hands look more like mummified flesh than wood to me. Any favor Ysengrin may have lost with readers for attacking Annie are probably refunded out of Coyote's account now.  |
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Post by La Goon on Sept 14, 2012 8:31:59 GMT
"I'll keep hold of it for you. Along with the others." I wonder if this means that Coyote is planning to give Ysengrin's memories back at strategic moments? Or perhaps even all at once as a massive mind rape  EDIT: Oh, that had already been mentioned. Missed that. I think this seems so out of style for coyote - not so much because it's so damn evil, but because he just took the memory by force despite Ysengrin's explicit "no". Not any subtlety or trickery in this one. |
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Post by penta on Sept 14, 2012 8:38:54 GMT
This page makes me sad.
Wildest of speculations: One day, maybe quite a few chapters from now, Coyote is going to say just one word too much about this to Ysengrin, and Ysengrin will (reluctantly, of course) join Annie and Reynardine at the Court, feeling betrayed and having nowhere else to go.
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Post by gary on Sept 14, 2012 8:44:22 GMT
I like how this balances out the eeeevil on the Court and the Forest. How so? The court is represented by Jones, Annie, Kat, the Donlans, Eglamore, Robot, Jack, Zimmy, Gamma, Parley, Smitty and around about 30 sympathetic likeable characters. The forest is represented exclusively by a character defined by his berserker rages and his abuser. I've never really understood the fear that if one side would be painted as entirely wrong it would be the court. |
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pasko
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Post by pasko on Sept 14, 2012 8:48:10 GMT
ok, yesterday I was wrong. This page tops the previous one as the creepiest.
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Post by gideonwells on Sept 14, 2012 8:51:55 GMT
Is it just me, or does the finger positions of Coyote reaching into Ys kind of look like the bones reaching into Annie last chapter? Only with a bit more flesh on them?
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Post by ntmbk on Sept 14, 2012 8:53:57 GMT
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Post by emanon on Sept 14, 2012 8:57:56 GMT
Wow, just... Wow.
Given Coyote's theories on his existence (Planescape deity theory anyone?) I suppose I should have seen this coming. He exists directly from belief of man. Now that he has enough power, he can literally gain strength by stealing thought.
Perhaps negative emotion is more potent, or maybe just stronger emotion is more potent. Coyote simply raises Y's aggression til he snaps and then mind-rapes him over and over in a vicious cycle, getting stronger each time.
Which suggests a very unpleasant endgame to make use of that strength...
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 14, 2012 9:24:34 GMT
Perhaps negative emotion is more potent, or maybe just stronger emotion is more potent. Coyote simply raises Y's aggression til he snaps and then mind-rapes him over and over in a vicious cycle, getting stronger each time. It's a(nother) memory of a time when Coyote bested Ysengrin completely. |
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Post by jasmijn on Sept 14, 2012 9:26:23 GMT
It seems like that vindicates my recent attitude towards Coyote. I don't recall when I started to think Coyote was really, really evil, but wow.
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