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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 10, 2012 7:01:01 GMT
I bet he's got a drawer full of them somewhere.Time for Jones to tell us a few things. Hopefully talking about the Forest segways into some deeper plot elements about the Court, like the Seed Bismuth or some other crazy detail we've not yet heard of.
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Post by foresterr on Sept 10, 2012 7:07:58 GMT
Aaand judging by Annie's reaction, Jimmy Jims did just the right thing last page.
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Post by Eversist on Sept 10, 2012 7:12:44 GMT
Or we have a cut-away... this chapter's been long enough, right? Hah.
I'm glad she apologized. This honestly wasn't what I was expecting.
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Post by porcupineadvocate on Sept 10, 2012 7:27:39 GMT
I'd love to see Forest segways, too... imagine Ysengrin trundling around on one of them.  |
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Post by Eversist on Sept 10, 2012 7:30:39 GMT
I'd love to see Forest segways, too... imagine Ysengrin trundling around on one of them. Hah, thanks for the ridiculous mental image. Trundle is the best word, no joke. Bumble is pretty great, too. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 10, 2012 7:38:10 GMT
I'd love to see Forest segways, too... imagine Ysengrin trundling around on one of them. Trundle is the best word, no joke. Bumble is pretty great, too. I've got a thing for crepuscule, myself. Apricity is a nice one too, although you can only use it for a short while each year, but it makes the times when you can all the sweeter. |
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Post by stephen on Sept 10, 2012 7:40:00 GMT
Time to maybe finally overhear a little bit about what Jones is have the question of what Jones is dodged bluntly once again!
I'm still a lil resentful of that cop-out where Annie mentioned in passing that she learned what Jones is during the summer break. OH GEE THANKS.
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 10, 2012 7:42:20 GMT
Time to maybe finally overhear a little bit about what Jones is have the question of what Jones is dodged bluntly once again! I'm still a lil resentful of that cop-out where Annie mentioned in passing that she learned what Jones is during the summer break. OH GEE THANKS. Oh god, I know! Maybe Tom will let us infer some details, but I would not be surprised if he saved it for another occasion. |
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Post by rcrantz on Sept 10, 2012 9:05:51 GMT
The mention of Jones thinking Ysengrin is crazy has led me to speculate that perhaps there is some sort of curse afflicting him leading him to struggle against his inner bestial nature. This led me to reconsider what Coyote is trying to do here. (Apologies if this is the wrong thread for this. I am not the most diligent of lurkers.) My conclusion (which is probably wrong, because it seems a little out there): Coyote wants Annie to kill Ysengrin with the Coyote Tooth. Most of my "evidence" is in Chapter 26. Of particular note is what seems to be a clear attempt to build up a relationship between them-- here he is telling Ysengrin to carry her, only to decide to carry her the rest of the way moments later. Then he tells her that he has shown her "three Ysengrins" here--the same page where he tells her he'll be giving her a gift. It seems Ysengrin was on his mind tonight, and here he is giving her a super powerful sword? Chapter 31 has more evidence of Coyote hoping to build up a friendship. Here he is saying that Ysengrin will look after her this summer. (Also note, here we have Jones telling Coyote she thinks Ysengrin is insane.) Then, of course, Coyote tells her that if she tells anyone, even Ysengrin, about the sword, she loses a hand. He clearly doesn't want Ysengrin to know. Then, of course, in the latest chapter, Coyote tells a story that he presumably knows will make Ysengrin go berserk--after all that effort to draw them together. If this has been a long game to get her to think of him as a friend and then make her see that he is afflicted with some form of madness, perhaps he is hoping that she will do the merciful thing and bring him to an end with the ridiculously powerful weapon he gave her? Bonus wild speculation: perhaps he's hoping that Jones will tell Annie more about how insane Ysengrin is, so she realizes that it's the only merciful thing to do? |
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Post by asianborat on Sept 10, 2012 10:02:13 GMT
This was surprisingly civil. Bonus points to both of them!
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Post by csj on Sept 10, 2012 11:01:19 GMT
50/50 we end the chapter with a disheartened Ysengrin in the forest, or with Jones.
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Post by jasmijn on Sept 10, 2012 11:27:22 GMT
Ten to one we will skip the visit to Jones.  |
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Post by crater on Sept 10, 2012 12:14:17 GMT
I think Tom said that the next chapter is gonna be about Jones
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Post by darlos9d on Sept 10, 2012 13:26:50 GMT
This was surprisingly civil. Bonus points to both of them! Yeah really. And here I was expecting more angry faces. What Eggers is saying in panel 5 sounds a lot better than what he said in the last panel of last page. Kinda... completely different, really. |
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Post by chendzeea on Sept 10, 2012 13:32:23 GMT
Well I've learned to quit guessing about what Tom will do next. Though I'll still give it a go.
Yesngrin I think will not bounce back on his own from this. I imagine he's in full beast mode at the moment. As such, he's going to have to be dealt with before anyone goes back into the woods.
Dealt with meaning, Coyote slaps him back into submission, or some other outside force intervenes on his behalf or incapacitates him.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 10, 2012 16:26:26 GMT
Hmm...."Jones suspects his mind is gone", but we know Jones can't use a blinker stone. I wonder what Jones can see, if anything, etherically? If she has to deduce everything from evidence, then I'd agree with her. But seeing Ysengrin's etheric form and listening to him in his calm state, I'd have to disagree.
Maybe we'll get some answers. More likely we'll just get more questions.....
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 10, 2012 16:39:24 GMT
I'm pretty shocked they haven't started back over the bridge yet. You'd think they'd be heading back to Court territory as quickly as possible.
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Post by nero on Sept 10, 2012 16:40:24 GMT
Then, of course, in the latest chapter, Coyote tells a story that he presumably knows will make Ysengrin go berserk--after all that effort to draw them together. If this has been a long game to get her to think of him as a friend and then make her see that he is afflicted with some form of madness, perhaps he is hoping that she will do the merciful thing and bring him to an end with the ridiculously powerful weapon he gave her? Bonus wild speculation: perhaps he's hoping that Jones will tell Annie more about how insane Ysengrin is, so she realizes that it's the only merciful thing to do? I agree with most of your speculation except that I feel Coyote is directly responsible for Ysengrin losing his mind. Coyote might want Annie to kill Ysengrin simply because Coyote is tired of him and wants someone else to take care of it. |
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Post by Mitth'raw'nuruodo on Sept 10, 2012 17:36:00 GMT
I agree with most of your speculation except that I feel Coyote is directly responsible for Ysengrin losing his mind. Coyote might want Annie to kill Ysengrin simply because Coyote is tired of him and wants someone else to take care of it. I think you are either overestimating or underestimating Coyote's Machiavellian Potential. Manipulating Annie into killing Ysengrin simply because he is tired of him seems to be overkill. Coyote can simply strip Ysengrin of his powers and be done with it. That, or else he can simply slap him down as he has done before. Therefore it is only rational to me to see that Coyote is either not moving to the end of Ysengrin's death, or else the death of Ysengrin is simply a means to a greater end. What is this end? Maychance a furtherance of the shattering of Annie's fragile psyche? Or is it the alienation of Annie to the Court by manipulating a situation in which Annie is forced to kill Ysengrin, which causes her to feel bad, which causes her to express her wrath and confusion to the Court, but the Court feels no remorse for the slaying of Ysengrin causing Annie to flee to the forest as she did last summer? If Coyote is in fact moving to the death of Ysengrin, he is swiftly moving to a Gambit Pileup or a Batman Gambit. I feel it is more likely that he is just letting the Lord of Chaos rule or else just messing with everyone for the the sheer enjoyment.(The last link explicitly calls out the Native American god Coyote, so make your own judgments. I usually function here on this board as an enlightened Devil's Advocate.) |
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Post by zaferion on Sept 10, 2012 17:53:18 GMT
All these theories being thrown around, and all I come here to say is "This page made me sad."
Where's the dunce hat?
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Post by Eversist on Sept 10, 2012 19:14:46 GMT
So uh... if Ys was so unstable, and they know it... why does the Court allow her to spend so much time with him?
Either they think she can handle herself, think Coyote will protect her (not likely?), or they don't care if she gets injured/killed? Part of the responsibility and risk of being medium (rather medium-in-training)?
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Post by Mitth'raw'nuruodo on Sept 10, 2012 19:31:11 GMT
So uh... if Ys was so unstable, and they know it... why does the Court allow her to spend so much time with him? Either they think she can handle herself, think Coyote will protect her (not likely?), or they don't care if she gets injured/killed? Part of the responsibility and risk of being medium (rather medium-in-training)? More likely the Court does not care. The first appearance of Coyote seemed to spark little action on there part. They seem to care more about keeping up the bargain and doing what they do. What happens to a lone individual is little in comparison to the goal of attaining god-hood. |
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Post by steelpanther on Sept 10, 2012 19:37:07 GMT
I think Tom said that the next chapter is gonna be about Jones This was on a lot of places I saw (formspring and an interview on another site), so I'm excited for the meeting! I'm pretty shocked they haven't started back over the bridge yet. You'd think they'd be heading back to Court territory as quickly as possible. Judging by the landing on the last page, they flew over the Waters and have landed somewhere away from the bridge, but in Court territory. EDIT: On second look, may be wrong. Mistook those building silhouettes for trees. |
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Post by rcrantz on Sept 10, 2012 19:45:01 GMT
I agree with most of your speculation except that I feel Coyote is directly responsible for Ysengrin losing his mind. Coyote might want Annie to kill Ysengrin simply because Coyote is tired of him and wants someone else to take care of it. Perhaps Coyote's gift to Ysengrin is what made him lose his mind? Suddenly having all of the trees of the forest at your command might push someone who was already struggling with their bestial nature that little push needed to go into full-blown insanity. I'm assuming "means to a greater end." My archive binge found many of evidence for me to cherry pick that he was building this moment from the start. Admittedly most of what I'm relying on is this: I assume he gave her the Coyote Tooth for a reason, not just out of whim or boredom (which is kind of a big assumption), and I assume that reason is tied to why he didn't want anyone in the forest knowing about it. But yes: I have no idea why Coyote would want to get rid of Ysengrin, nor am I certain why he couldn't do it himself. My first thought on the subject was "there's something about Ysengrin we don't know yet." The rest is the assumption that Coyote is more capable of a trickster than we've been able to see--he makes people assume he's less capable than he is, because when he seems random and scatterbrained it's hard for people to think "what sinister plot is he cooking up this time?" Or possibly I'm reading too much into it, of course. Still, fun to speculate. |
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Post by Rafael on Sept 10, 2012 19:49:03 GMT
Hopefully talking about the Forest segways into some deeper plot elements about the Court, like the Seed Bismuth or some other crazy detail we've not yet heard of. It took me thirty seconds of thinking after reading your post three times to figure out you weren't talking about Forest Segways. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 10, 2012 19:56:23 GMT
I'm pretty shocked they haven't started back over the bridge yet. You'd think they'd be heading back to Court territory as quickly as possible. Judging by the landing on the last page, they flew over the Waters and have landed somewhere away from the bridge, but in Court territory. EDIT: On second look, may be wrong. Mistook those building silhouettes for trees. Yeah, it took me a third look at the comic to realize it, too. It makes me fear that we're heading for a scene where Ysengrin shows up and makes things worse before our protagonist flees across the bridge. Edit: Maybe they just stopped here to pick up Annie's shoes, though. |
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Post by steelpanther on Sept 10, 2012 21:51:38 GMT
Edit: Maybe they just stopped here to pick up Annie's shoes, though. I get the feeling that you can't fly over the Waters. It was stated that the bridge is the only way across at one point correct? |
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Post by Marnath on Sept 10, 2012 22:46:12 GMT
Judging by the landing on the last page, they flew over the Waters and have landed somewhere away from the bridge, but in Court territory. EDIT: On second look, may be wrong. Mistook those building silhouettes for trees. Compare panel 4 of today's update to panel 3 in www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1060 and you'll see it's definitely the same area, on the forest side. The court side is much more even, as seen here www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=766 in panel 4. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 11, 2012 1:51:20 GMT
Hopefully talking about the Forest segways into some deeper plot elements about the Court, like the Seed Bismuth or some other crazy detail we've not yet heard of. It took me thirty seconds of thinking after reading your post three times to figure out you weren't talking about Forest Segways. I'd love to see Forest segways, too... imagine Ysengrin trundling around on one of them. Oh man, I just realized what I did there... *headdesk* |
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Post by Rhuarc on Sept 11, 2012 4:10:48 GMT
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