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Post by OrzBrain on Aug 20, 2012 7:03:32 GMT
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 20, 2012 7:09:03 GMT
YOU THINK IM FUNNY LEETLE GURL?
edit: (I always imagine Yis having The Heavy's voice from TF2)
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Post by legion on Aug 20, 2012 7:13:08 GMT
A good recovery: "yeah, it's completely ridiculous, it doesn't make sense, it's only worth laughing at"
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Post by OrzBrain on Aug 20, 2012 7:17:25 GMT
A good recovery: "yeah, it's completely ridiculous, it doesn't make sense, it's only worth laughing at" Or: "Funny peculiar, not funny humorous." |
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 20, 2012 7:17:52 GMT
A good recovery: "yeah, it's completely ridiculous, it doesn't make sense, it's only worth laughing at" Very diplomatic of her. I think she should have stopped there, instead of pointing out that Yis had gotten a humanoid body. (His choice or Coyote's, I wonder? I'm thinking the latter.) Yis has some SERIOUS issues with self-esteem. I also suspect Coyotes arrival to the Wood unbalanced things somehow. I like this theory because it gives Annie an excuse to "balance" him, preferably on the end of his own tooth. He is starting to really get on my nerves. |
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Post by Eversist on Aug 20, 2012 7:26:43 GMT
I think she should have stopped there, instead of pointing out that Yis had gotten a humanoid body. (His choice or Coyote's, I wonder? I'm thinking the latter.) Based on the fact that he is the one that shapes the trees, and not Coyote (because Coyote gave him the power, so Coyote no longer has it), I think he chose it. Also, he doesn't deny when Annie points it out in today's comic. |
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Post by OrzBrain on Aug 20, 2012 7:27:39 GMT
I also suspect Coyotes arrival to the Wood unbalanced things somehow. I like this theory because it gives Annie an excuse to "balance" him, preferably on the end of his own tooth. He is starting to really get on my nerves. Awww, what's the poor fellow done that's so wrong? I'd say he's been surprisingly nice and helpful for a trickster. Almost suspiciously so. The only negative behavior that wasn't in fun that I've seen is putting down Ys, and there may be some good reasons for that. Ys IS the villain in "Ysengrimus," isn't he? |
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Post by Lightice on Aug 20, 2012 7:29:04 GMT
I think she should have stopped there, instead of pointing out that Yis had gotten a humanoid body. (His choice or Coyote's, I wonder? I'm thinking the latter.) I remember Tom clarifying at Formspring that Coyote only gave Ys the power to control the trees of the Forest as he saw fit. Ys himself came up with the wooden powered armour. And his choice of shape does give some credence to Coyote's theory; like it or not, he is an anthropomorphic animal. Still, he is a powerful creature in his own right; even if he began in the imaginations of humanity, he does seem to be his own creature at this point, with real physical and etheric presence. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 20, 2012 7:37:15 GMT
I also suspect Coyotes arrival to the Wood unbalanced things somehow. I like this theory because it gives Annie an excuse to "balance" him, preferably on the end of his own tooth. He is starting to really get on my nerves. Awww, what's the poor fellow done that's so wrong? I'd say he's been surprisingly nice and helpful for a trickster. Almost suspiciously so. The only negative behavior that wasn't in fun that I've seen is putting down Ys, and there may be some good reasons for that. Ys IS the villain in "Ysengrimus," isn't he? I suppose if he ends up going crazy he could be the villain, but he doesn't seem deranged or insane to me, he just has anger issues and that is really scary when it's a wolf in "wooden power armor" as lightice so astutely put it. Coyote hasn't done anything in particular to deserve my spite, but then again, neither did Tony. They're both cold and they both do extra-ordinary things from afar without regard to their consequences, i.e. moon fingerprint, Annie's entire childhood, etc. Coyote just strikes me as a nutty psycho who gives zero fucks in total about anything in the world but his own amusement, and when you pair that with godhood, that is way scarier than a confused wolf with wooden tootsies. |
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Post by rafk on Aug 20, 2012 7:57:38 GMT
Ysengrin IS Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas".
(If you don't know the scene, YouTube "Goodfellas funny", although be warned it's heavy on the F-bombs. I'm 99% sure that Tom would have this reference in mind)
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 20, 2012 8:32:04 GMT
Ysengrin IS Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas". (If you don't know the scene, YouTube "Goodfellas funny", although be warned it's heavy on the F-bombs. I'm 99% sure that Tom would have this reference in mind) Every scene in that movie is the best scene. |
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Post by Rex on Aug 20, 2012 8:47:22 GMT
Wow, Ysengrin has major self-image issues. He believes humans see him as weak, that they think they're superior... but he fashions a body shaped like them? It seems like on some level he acknowledges that humans are powerful and his form reflects this (emulation). His argument may have some credence, though. Jones said the Court views the creatures of the Wood as nothing more than snarling beasts subject to the laws of nature. Sure enough, the headmaster was pretty disrespectful.
Damn, no wonder they need mediums to keep the peace. Annie's privy to knowledge that would make her a fantastic medium as it gives her a good idea how to mend relations.
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Post by agasa on Aug 20, 2012 12:20:27 GMT
Annie was surprisingly untactful on this.
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Post by Rea on Aug 20, 2012 12:28:33 GMT
Like I said in another thread, humans aren't the only creatures with that shape. The green people Annie lived with have pretty much the same shape. For all we know Ysengrin shaped his tree-body after them.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Aug 20, 2012 13:03:20 GMT
Annie was surprisingly untactful on this. Hmm...I think her directness was tactful, just not in the expected way. By pointing out the elephant in the room so simply, so to speak, she negated the awkwardness of the issue. Since there was no build-up to her pointing out Ysengrin's choice, and she didn't come at the subject defensively, he was caught off-guard. It was like a verbal atemi. |
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Post by FlyingMug on Aug 20, 2012 19:23:46 GMT
Antimony: Er, I believe really hard I didn't just say anything to offend you.
Ys: You do have to die to get your belief into the ether.
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Post by sabriel on Aug 20, 2012 20:52:11 GMT
You know, Ysengrin probably thinks that because of how Coyote treats him. It's looking more and more to me like Ys is just his punching bag, which in turn explains his niceness to Annie: all his negativity is used up on Ys. And think about how many hundreds of years he's endured this, and what it's done to his self-worth. It's no wonder he adores Coyote. He's DESPERATE for Coyote to say something nice to him, just once, to restore some of the self-worth he doesn't have.
PS: I find it strange Annie keeps calling it a theory. Does she think Coyote doesn't know what he's talking about? He does, after all, swim in the ether.
PSS: It's starting to really get under my skin how Ys doesn't have pupils. Rey I can understand because he's a plushie, but...GIVE THE POOR DOG SOME PUPILS AAAAAA
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Post by warrl on Aug 20, 2012 23:19:19 GMT
PSS: It's starting to really get under my skin how Ys doesn't have pupils. Rey I can understand because he's a plushie, but...GIVE THE POOR DOG SOME PUPILS AAAAAA Quite a lot of animals actually have huge pupils and very little "whites of their eyes" - at least that is visible. There is some theorizing that humans have relatively small pupils as a communication device. "I'm looking over there." In this page Chuckles has rather large irises, good-size pupils, and no whites showing. (But then, Annie's irises are fairly large too.) |
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Post by Marnath on Aug 20, 2012 23:21:39 GMT
Annie was surprisingly untactful on this. Yeah, really. That was probably the worst possible way to handle that aside from pointing at him and shouting "HAHA, you don't exist!" |
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Post by quanticle on Aug 21, 2012 4:34:49 GMT
I think Annie is doing her job as medium quite well here. Remember, her role is to moderate relations between the Court and the Forest. In order to do that, she has to see each side as it truly is, not as it presents itself. She has a fairly good idea as to what the power relations are in the Court, thanks to her historical research and her conversations with Jones, etc. Now she's going out and learning about the Forest. She's finding that the representatives of the Forest are not nearly as united as they make themselves look. I think that's quite powerful knowledge, and not something that other members of the Court (save Jones, perhaps) would recognize - seeing how they all treat the animals of the Forest rather contemptuously.
In other words, Annie is getting dirt on everyone so that she can have an advantage no matter which side of the bridge she deals with. Well played, fire-head girl. Well played.
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Post by quanticle on Aug 21, 2012 4:38:47 GMT
Annie was surprisingly untactful on this. I think it was deliberate. She's drawing out Ysengrin. Remember, this is the first time she's seeing Ysengrin speak his own thoughts rather than parrot the party like Coyote's laying down. So she's doing all she can to draw Ysengrin out, to make him say what he truly feels. Unlike the others at the Court, I think Annie realizes that Ysengrin has more influence than people assume, and so recognizes that his views are worth hearing and that any divergence between his views and Coyote's views is a pressure point that can be used in negotiation. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 21, 2012 5:37:59 GMT
Annie was surprisingly untactful on this. I think it was deliberate. She's drawing out Ysengrin. Remember, this is the first time she's seeing Ysengrin speak his own thoughts rather than parrot the party like Coyote's laying down. So she's doing all she can to draw Ysengrin out, to make him say what he truly feels. Unlike the others at the Court, I think Annie realizes that Ysengrin has more influence than people assume, and so recognizes that his views are worth hearing and that any divergence between his views and Coyote's views is a pressure point that can be used in negotiation. Wow... I never thought about it like that. I guess she has learned a few tricks from hanging around Jones. I just figured she was being regular old blunt Annie. |
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Post by stephen on Aug 21, 2012 6:31:45 GMT
Wow... I never thought about it like that. I guess she has learned a few tricks from hanging around Jones. I just figured she was being regular old blunt Annie. I'm slightly more proud than I should be that I knew exactly which comic you were linking before I clicked it. Everything comes together so well in this comic... And it's not even BS'd after-the-fact continuity like in Homestuck (at least, last time I read it. No idea how that's going along nowadays). It's the real deal: a coherent, long-term plotted story that works. Gunnerkrigg impresses me thoroughly on a regular basis. |
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Post by darlos9d on Aug 21, 2012 21:35:17 GMT
I think it was deliberate. She's drawing out Ysengrin. Remember, this is the first time she's seeing Ysengrin speak his own thoughts rather than parrot the party like Coyote's laying down. So she's doing all she can to draw Ysengrin out, to make him say what he truly feels. Unlike the others at the Court, I think Annie realizes that Ysengrin has more influence than people assume, and so recognizes that his views are worth hearing and that any divergence between his views and Coyote's views is a pressure point that can be used in negotiation. Wow... I never thought about it like that. I guess she has learned a few tricks from hanging around Jones. I just figured she was being regular old blunt Annie. Considering her expression in the last panel, I think she IS being regular old blunt Annie. Though at the same time I think this is also a situation of somebody taking a figure of speech literally. Pretty sure she didn't mean "funny" quite the way he's imagining. I guess we're not getting out of this chapter without Ys flying off the handle. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 21, 2012 23:32:06 GMT
Wow... I never thought about it like that. I guess she has learned a few tricks from hanging around Jones. I just figured she was being regular old blunt Annie. Considering her expression in the last panel, I think she IS being regular old blunt Annie. Though at the same time I think this is also a situation of somebody taking a figure of speech literally. Pretty sure she didn't mean "funny" quite the way he's imagining. I guess we're not getting out of this chapter without Ys flying off the handle. I might be mistaken, but can't remember a single time we've seen Yiss that he DIDN'T loose his cool. He's got quite a temper. |
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Post by warrl on Aug 22, 2012 6:54:49 GMT
I might be mistaken, but can't remember a single time we've seen Yiss that he DIDN'T loose his cool. He's got quite a temper. Actually, we've only seen him actually (or apparently) lose his cool once that I can recall. Annie has been forced into situations that made him angry, and has deliberately said things likely to provoke him, without getting more than threatening looks and angry words/growls. |
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