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Post by Eversist on Nov 14, 2011 8:00:29 GMT
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Post by legion on Nov 14, 2011 8:07:42 GMT
Not so smooth now Parley, eh?
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Post by SpitefulFox on Nov 14, 2011 8:07:51 GMT
Looks like robot sorta sucker-punched her there. I'd cry foul, but I don't know if Jeanne would give her time to say introductions either.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 14, 2011 8:08:55 GMT
Ok, that's pretty damn fast. You better work on those parries George!
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Post by Max on Nov 14, 2011 8:09:30 GMT
Kat is a lot better at changing the topic than Annie.
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Post by reynardlove on Nov 14, 2011 8:18:08 GMT
Wait she never finished saying GO!!!!
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Post by Necropaxx on Nov 14, 2011 8:29:53 GMT
Now that's more like it, Robot!
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Post by mudmaniac on Nov 14, 2011 8:52:31 GMT
Well there ya have it then.
Easy mode.
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Post by basser on Nov 14, 2011 9:01:06 GMT
Does Robot even have a First Rule protocol? I mean as goofy as the court robots are I still don't think I've seen any of them display any kind of safety programming, whether for themselves or others. Though I guess personality-wise they're all probably more like magic powered golems running around in mechanical bodies than actual software driven robots, so trying to apply Asimov to them might be pointless.
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Post by CGAdam on Nov 14, 2011 9:45:48 GMT
Ten bucks says she starts trying to work BAMFing into her swordplay. When your opponent is that much faster than you, take movement out of the equation.
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Post by Alexandragon on Nov 14, 2011 9:59:46 GMT
So... Looks like Parley has been really convinced that she is super hot) Even for machine)))) Tom's facial expressions make the best avatars:  Priceless look of face))) Also: Hard mode enabled. No chances and no rules now, miss) |
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Post by smjjames on Nov 14, 2011 10:40:56 GMT
Does Robot even have a First Rule protocol? I mean as goofy as the court robots are I still don't think I've seen any of them display any kind of safety programming, whether for themselves or others. Though I guess personality-wise they're all probably more like magic powered golems running around in mechanical bodies than actual software driven robots, so trying to apply Asimov to them might be pointless. She has protection on, and he knows that. @gcadam: BAMFing? or do you mean her teleportation? |
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Post by CGAdam on Nov 14, 2011 11:03:06 GMT
And the Nightcrawler sound effect reference remains only slightly effective.
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 14, 2011 11:49:05 GMT
And, BAM, right in the heart.
Gods, I hope that's not a portent of things to come when they face Jeanne.
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Post by poptropicagirl on Nov 14, 2011 12:07:50 GMT
Kat: changes topic. At least better than Annie.
In a real-life situation (such as when you're dueling a psycho rage ghost of hate), your opponent won't wait for you to say "go". Jeanne won't give her any mercy. Well, this is a real-life situation, but....you know what I mean. :/
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 14, 2011 12:21:56 GMT
Does Robot even have a First Rule protocol? I mean as goofy as the court robots are I still don't think I've seen any of them display any kind of safety programming, whether for themselves or others. Though I guess personality-wise they're all probably more like magic powered golems running around in mechanical bodies than actual software driven robots, so trying to apply Asimov to them might be pointless. The robots appear to be used for defense of the Court (like in Ties) so I do not think that Asimov's laws could be used. |
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Post by elitepastafa on Nov 14, 2011 13:30:23 GMT
Note that he is using a fencing foil as well, which would have a blunt tip.
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Post by Ulysses on Nov 14, 2011 13:41:17 GMT
Parley's definitely going to have to start working her ability into her fighting technique. I have a feeling Robot is faster than Jeanne, but she is a psycho rage ghost of hate so she's probably got a few tricks up her sleeve.
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Post by entertainer13 on Nov 14, 2011 13:59:22 GMT
Kat: changes topic. At least better than Annie. In a real-life situation (such as when you're dueling a psycho rage ghost of hate), your opponent won't wait for you to say "go". Jeanne won't give her any mercy. Well, this is a real-life situation, but....you know what I mean. :/ In a real-life situation, I doubt Parley would be waiting to say "go" either. |
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Post by smjjames on Nov 14, 2011 15:55:20 GMT
Does Robot even have a First Rule protocol? I mean as goofy as the court robots are I still don't think I've seen any of them display any kind of safety programming, whether for themselves or others. Though I guess personality-wise they're all probably more like magic powered golems running around in mechanical bodies than actual software driven robots, so trying to apply Asimov to them might be pointless. The robots appear to be used for defense of the Court (like in Ties) so I do not think that Asimov's laws could be used. Diegos origionals and their children (precursors to todays robots) were made centuries before Asimov was even born, let alone came up with the three rules of robotics. However, as has been pointed out in various places, the three laws don't really work that well in real life because the three laws treat everything as black and white with no grey in the middle. Or maybe a better way of saying it would be as if yes or no, but no maybe in the middle. Even the wikipedia article says that it is inadequate and lists problems with it later on in the article. In Star Trek, Data was suppousedly following the three laws (in a real general way), but even he bent the rules backwards over and twisted them in a few episodes when he had to. I don't know if it was this forum, but didn't someone here post a link to a comic in a discussion about Asimovs Three Laws/Rules and the Court Robots? |
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Post by wanderer on Nov 14, 2011 16:15:33 GMT
There we go. Parley needs to fight against someone who's beyond her. Way beyond her. She's not going to be able to outfight Jeanne. She needs to focus on learning tricks, not to win, but to not lose. Pure defense: keeping herself alive.
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Post by FlyingMug on Nov 14, 2011 16:27:09 GMT
That's not how you sword fight! You're supposed to have a lengthy flashback of your life story first. And before you say rage ghost, that's exactly how Jeanne fought last time.  |
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Post by BingsF on Nov 14, 2011 17:11:00 GMT
Does Robot even have a First Rule protocol? I mean as goofy as the court robots are I still don't think I've seen any of them display any kind of safety programming, whether for themselves or others. Though I guess personality-wise they're all probably more like magic powered golems running around in mechanical bodies than actual software driven robots, so trying to apply Asimov to them might be pointless. The robots appear to be used for defense of the Court (like in Ties) so I do not think that Asimov's laws could be used. I don't believe we've actually seen a solid example anywhere of robots showing that they aren't Three Laws compliant. The robots charged with Court defense could very well be doing so under Second Law, provided that they don't see the glass-eyed men as First Law subjects. Obviously the way they act in general is very different from most of Asimov's classic robots still. Can anyone find an example of a Three Law violation in the comic? |
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Post by Link 1228 on Nov 14, 2011 17:38:09 GMT
Can anyone find an example of a Three Law violation in the comic? A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. She died. And we did nothing. |
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Post by Toloc on Nov 14, 2011 18:06:47 GMT
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Post by BingsF on Nov 14, 2011 18:10:05 GMT
Oooh, that one opens a whole can of worms, haha. There have been a few instances in Asimov's short stories and novels (The Naked Sun being one I think? Or perhaps I'm thinking of The Robots of Dawn, I don't recall... but there are others too) in which a robot is inadvertantly responsible for human harm, or made to believe it is responsible for the same, and it usually has terribly damaging effects on the robot's 'psyche'. The case here, I think, is that Jeanne's death was really Diego's fault and not his robots at all; I don't think Diego's robots at the time fully comprehended the situation at hand, or they were unable to prevent it anyway. As we can see though, this has quite the adverse effect on all of Diego's children, including their descendants! Even the current robots, who never even lived during Jeanne's time, are quite disturbed by the First Law implications of their ancestors, something that is somewhat consistent with Asimov's portrayals. I may not be quite clear on the first generation robots' role in Jeanne's betrayal, but my impression was in any case that the robots themselves were not responsible. If they were though, then perhaps (and this is just complete fanonizing from me) they were motivated to put something akin to the Three Laws in their progeny, such that the modern Court robots, like Robot, are compliant? It seems plausible to me. Thoughts?  |
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Post by BingsF on Nov 14, 2011 18:13:25 GMT
1) Sorry, how?? 2) Hm, true. That might support my theory at the end of my previous post though... especially when you look at Robot! I've never seen his blinkenlights go red before, perhaps that's due to his First Law compulsion to protect Kat (also because Kat is an angel  ) |
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Post by myzelf on Nov 14, 2011 18:24:32 GMT
Yeah, Parley should definitely switch to a lighter weapon. And work on her combat teleportation, if possible.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 14, 2011 18:44:00 GMT
The robots charged with Court defense could very well be doing so under Second Law, provided that they don't see the glass-eyed men as First Law subjects. Even with a loose and speciest interpretation of the Laws there would be other problems. There could be violent human intruders or criminality among Court residents for one thing, but also there could be hostage-taking by Woods creatures or nearly anyone else. Diegos origionals and their children (precursors to todays robots) were made centuries before Asimov was even born, let alone came up with the three rules of robotics. I think we're talking less about Diego cribbing Asimov and more about the general theory of hardwired programming blocks similar to what Asimov proposed. I don't know if it was this forum, but didn't someone here post a link to a comic in a discussion about Asimovs Three Laws/Rules and the Court Robots? The three Laws have come up in discussion in the forum a number of times over the years. There may have even been a thread but I am too lazy to dig it up and necro it. I was about to refer to that incident with Diego's old robots as a possible example of hardwired programming that forced an AI psychosis when completion of the directive was no longer possible. When Diego died his "children" damaged themselves to force a shutdown. The robot Diego built as a companion for Jeanne does continue to function even though Jeanne is long gone. This suggests to me that Diego reserved such high safeguards for Diego. I am unsure how much the robots participated in the death of Jeanne but I'd guess that if they did they had no choice but to follow Diego's orders. However that did cause the turmoil in Robot society referenced in Sky Watcher and the Angel, but if you review the last two pages of that chapter I believe it is apparent that the robots are fluidly interpreting events and revising their own opinions without hardwired programming blocks. [edit] For clarification: What I am trying to say is that the adoration of Jeanne and reverence of Diego wouldn't appear to be hardwired like the old robots had, but are residue within the programming... like replicative fading, how copies of copies start to lose the strength of the original. [/edit] I think it was also Formspring'd that the robots have written their own programming based on but not dictated by the programming of Diego, but sadly the search engine is down so I cannot prove that. |
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Post by basser on Nov 14, 2011 20:11:54 GMT
I think most of the robots run on magic anyway, rather than batteries or whatever. That's what I meant by them being more golems than robots, since they seem to have way too much personality to be just a bunch of machine parts. So in that case their morality is based more on... I guess serving their human masters? Or whatever it is golems do.
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