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Post by Max on Jun 17, 2011 7:00:57 GMT
There you goReally wishing I had gone with "Nothing more than a collection."
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Post by smjjames on Jun 17, 2011 7:07:10 GMT
Fate worse than death, huh?
Kat may have been thinking of standby mode or hibernation where the computer is still on but on standby mode or something. I don't know the technical details of how that works, but that could be the machine equivalent of sleep.
Still though, I wonder what would happen if they didn't deactivate themselves, or would they run into the 'fate worse than death' thing that was talked about on the thread for the previous page?
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Post by Max on Jun 17, 2011 7:11:07 GMT
I like where this chapter is going, philosophically. The question of what (if anything) makes a human more than a lump of flesh is a hard one.
Of course, what the robot isn't mentioning is that humans generally can't be switched back on again, so it isn't quite a perfect analog to death.
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Post by smjjames on Jun 17, 2011 7:20:12 GMT
Also, their memory (or Franks memory) is largely intact, so they could have intentionally deactivated themselves until some future generation (Kat in this case) could revive them, but that is speculation, given Franks panic and confusion when woken uo.
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Post by rafk on Jun 17, 2011 7:24:52 GMT
A nice cheery upbeat strip, this one!
The obvious next questions are:
1) Does the robot want to be switched back off?
2) Are they going to switch all the rest of them back on?
3) Could the nice robot tell them a bit more about Diego and how his tech worked and they wouldn't happen to know anything about an arrow, would they?
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Post by starburst98 on Jun 17, 2011 7:28:57 GMT
perhaps Kat will give Robot dreams?
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Post by smjjames on Jun 17, 2011 7:29:29 GMT
A nice cheery upbeat strip, this one! The obvious next questions are: 1) Does the robot want to be switched back off? 2) Are they going to switch all the rest of them back on? 3) Could the nice robot tell them a bit more about Diego and how his tech worked and they wouldn't happen to know anything about an arrow, would they? 1. That would certainly bring up an ethical dilemma for Kat, in a way. 2. I had thought of that too, although Franks initial confusion and panic could indicate that they didn't expect anybody to reactivate them centuries later. 3. That would be awesome.  |
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Post by legion on Jun 17, 2011 8:29:44 GMT
Suspended animation~
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Post by Alexandragon on Jun 17, 2011 9:09:49 GMT
A nice cheery upbeat strip, this one! The obvious next questions are: 1) Does the robot want to be switched back off? 2) Are they going to switch all the rest of them back on? 3) Could the nice robot tell them a bit more about Diego and how his tech worked and they wouldn't happen to know anything about an arrow, would they? 1. That would certainly bring up an ethical dilemma for Kat, in a way. 2. I had thought of that too, although Franks initial confusion and panic could indicate that they didn't expect anybody to reactivate them centuries later. 3. That would be awesome. I think so too. Anyway this page is awesome and little sad... |
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 17, 2011 14:28:05 GMT
I'm also anticipating his desire to be switched back off. Can't have a reliable witness from the olden days just walking around answering mysteries, can we?
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Post by crater on Jun 17, 2011 15:29:19 GMT
this page is deep! good thing I have an entire weekend to wrap my head around it before the next page.
Kat might be thinking "Ann! Please don't mention Psycomops....."
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 17, 2011 16:28:36 GMT
Considering how different Frank's outlook is from Kat and Annie's already, I wonder how else he's different from them. Might there be some less-savory aspects of the old robots' worldview?
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Post by Rafael on Jun 17, 2011 17:16:10 GMT
So if Frank's describing being turned off as a "state of waiting", or rather describing it at all, does that mean he still had some manner of conscience while turned off, or am I reading too much into it?
Also, Kat needs a hug =(
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Post by legion on Jun 17, 2011 17:59:25 GMT
Kat might be thinking "Ann! Please don't mention Psycomops....." PSYCHOMOPS! THEY WILL MOP YOUR SOUL! |
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Post by crater on Jun 17, 2011 19:32:11 GMT
PSYCHOMOPS! THEY WILL MOP YOUR SOUL! but human what are soul |
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Post by smjjames on Jun 17, 2011 23:19:15 GMT
So if Frank's describing being turned off as a "state of waiting", or rather describing it at all, does that mean he still had some manner of conscience while turned off, or am I reading too much into it? It could be more complex than just a 'state of waiting', Even if your computer has no power (not plugged in, no battery, nothing), the memory is still there, that could be what he is talking about. While the modern ones could be powered by an internal fusion reactor for all we know as we've never seen them needing to be charged up, the old Diego robots are murky as far as their power source goes. From all appearances, the ceramic heart core is the power source, but at the same time, its more than just a power source. Edit: Which brings up a thought, I wonder what would happen if Kat switched the golem heart that was in one robot with another. |
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Post by Dvandaemon on Jun 17, 2011 23:19:40 GMT
The ony difference Frank, is that for Robots the Psychopomps do not come.
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Post by smjjames on Jun 17, 2011 23:22:42 GMT
The ony difference Frank, is that for Robots the Psychopomps do not come. Or like Muut said, they do not deal in electrical appliances. |
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Post by kelantar on Jun 18, 2011 5:17:41 GMT
Yeah... if when they reactivated this guy he had no memory or experience, then I'd understand the death thing more. I get that it's different from sleeping, but death implies a finality that this robot disproves. Kat might be thinking "Ann! Please don't mention Psycomops....." PSYCHOMOPS! THEY WILL MOP YOUR SOUL!  |
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Post by Max on Jun 18, 2011 6:39:55 GMT
I wonder what would happen if Kat switched the golem heart that was in one robot with another. I'm guessing that would have the same effect as transplanting a person's brain into a different body. I'm curious, does the golem heart store memory as well as instructions? That would be much closer to a human brain. |
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Post by blulink on Jun 18, 2011 7:59:59 GMT
This is one of the reasons I love GC. Right now, a lot is being answered but there is a lot that has been raised that will be answered later. I giggle (on the inside, my manliness demand thus.}
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Post by legion on Jun 18, 2011 9:13:13 GMT
I always took the Sorcerer's Apprentice as a cautionary tale against the dangers of self-replicating machines. |
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Post by Rafael on Jun 18, 2011 13:34:26 GMT
It could be more complex than just a 'state of waiting', Even if your computer has no power (not plugged in, no battery, nothing), the memory is still there, that could be what he is talking about. It's possible. Maybe it's a state that can't quite be understood by humans. Edit: Which brings up a thought, I wonder what would happen if Kat switched the golem heart that was in one robot with another. This sounds to me like a VERY dangerous idea. Up the "don't even think about it" aisle. I'm guessing that would have the same effect as transplanting a person's brain into a different body. Hard to tell, as we have no idea what would happen if a person's brain was transplanted into a different body. I'm curious, does the golem heart store memory as well as instructions? That would be much closer to a human brain. It has been a while, but the last time I looked into that, it was still disputed whether human memory is stored in the brain. I don't think it's so simple with robots either, like when Robot's CPU was transplanted into S1's body. |
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Post by Max on Jun 18, 2011 15:15:50 GMT
Hard to tell, as we have no idea what would happen if a person's brain was transplanted into a different body. Well, presumably the person who's brain it was would wake up, having all the memories and personality of their old body, but in a different body. It has been a while, but the last time I looked into that, it was still disputed whether human memory is stored in the brain. I don't think it's so simple with robots either, like when Robot's CPU was transplanted into S1's body. Umm, I can't find any mention of human memory being stored elsewhere, and lots of references of it definitely taking place in the brain. What are you talking about? |
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Post by Interactive System Error on Jun 19, 2011 16:42:45 GMT
I keep wondering two things:
1. Does the old robot know that it was Kat who reactivated him, or even wonder why he's been reactivated?
2. Considering that the word "robot" was first used in 1920, what did the old ones call themselves?
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Post by Georgie L on Jun 19, 2011 23:53:31 GMT
2. Considering that the word "robot" was first used in 1920, what did the old ones call themselves? automaton, golem, thingamabob, mechanical person ? |
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Post by Max on Jun 20, 2011 1:42:07 GMT
For all we know, the word "robot" was used within the Court prior to 1920.
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Post by King Mir on Jun 20, 2011 4:29:11 GMT
Yeah... if when they reactivated this guy he had no memory or experience, then I'd understand the death thing more. I get that it's different from sleeping, but death implies a finality that this robot disproves. Why should eternal sleep be considered different from death? If a person doesn't wake it's the same as if he died when he fell asleep. The real difference here is that Frank does not draw a value difference between automated and conscious movement. |
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Post by Interactive System Error on Jun 20, 2011 7:07:29 GMT
For all we know, the word "robot" was used within the Court prior to 1920. Yes, perhaps Josef Čapek visited the court and learned it there. We could speculate wildly about the relationship of historical figures to Gunnerkrigg Court, as people are wont to do with the Illuminati. Also, does it strike anyone else as amusing that the spell check for this forum doesn't recognize the word "Gunnerkrigg"? |
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Post by goldenknots on Jun 20, 2011 11:45:32 GMT
Also, does it strike anyone else as amusing that the spell check for this forum doesn't recognize the word "Gunnerkrigg"? Very, but perhaps not in quite the way you mean it. Add it to your local spellchecker dictionary and it will stop flagging it. |
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