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Post by smjjames on Jun 15, 2011 7:03:57 GMT
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Post by edzepp on Jun 15, 2011 7:06:09 GMT
Moral: If you ain't moving, you're dead.
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Post by mudmaniac on Jun 15, 2011 7:08:51 GMT
Panel 4: DANCE BILLY DANCE!!
But in all seriousness that is a beautiful rendering. like it is right out of Da Vinci's sketch book.
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Post by smjjames on Jun 15, 2011 7:08:53 GMT
Moral: If you ain't moving, you're dead. Kind of makes sense really, even if you're asleep, you're still breathing, eye movements, heart still pumps. Maybe Diegos death reminded them of their own 'mortality' and gave them even more of a sense of being alive. Although, I wonder where they draw the line between death and sleep or how they define sleep since they may have to recharge occasionally, unless there is some eternal power source. At least the second generation onwards may have to recharge since as far as we know, only the first generation have the golem hearts.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 15, 2011 7:18:11 GMT
Keep talking about how great the humans and robots are, Frank. You're not kissing up enough. ;D
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Post by penta on Jun 15, 2011 7:27:17 GMT
I'm just popping in here to say that so far, I love this guy's philosophy. And the fact that he's so happy with the robots they have now. Tom, I think you are making this robot come to life.
Real life, not just mechanical movement-life. But then there still is the fact that these might not be robots, but golems indeed. Still wondering how that will pan out..
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Post by legion on Jun 15, 2011 7:27:33 GMT
Robot logic.
Also:
Suddenly,
robots,
hundreds of them.
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Post by crater on Jun 15, 2011 8:00:00 GMT
".... we also eat humans flesh!"
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Post by fronzel on Jun 15, 2011 8:03:40 GMT
Looks like that summer in the forest didn't teach Annie not to put her foot in it.
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Post by trimeta on Jun 15, 2011 8:08:00 GMT
Kat's thoughts: Annie, maybe you *shouldn't* be playing up the "humans have enslaved your children" line to an ancient robot who can probably reactivate the entire army of ancient robots and wage war on the Court?
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Post by rafk on Jun 15, 2011 8:31:57 GMT
For some reason after reading Annie's lines in this strip I found myself humming We live in a material world, and I am a material girl. I know she was concerned about the apparent enslavement of apparently sentient beings, but the focus on the word "reward" in the last two panels seemed slightly off.
Of course, it's ironic, as Annie may be the least materialistic teenage comic or cartoon heroine of all time.
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Post by mudmaniac on Jun 15, 2011 8:46:25 GMT
Moral: If you ain't moving, you're dead. Isnt that sharks?
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Post by inwitari on Jun 15, 2011 9:17:54 GMT
Kat's thoughts: Annie, maybe you *shouldn't* be playing up the "humans have enslaved your children" line to an ancient robot who can probably reactivate the entire army of ancient robots and wage war on the Court? YESAnnie maybe you should just you know, em, stop talking...
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Post by eightyfour on Jun 15, 2011 11:05:10 GMT
That indeed is a really beautiful philosophy. I like it how the modern robots basically still follow the same principle, only simplified (just like their overall designs have become less intricate/more practical. Quote Robot: " It's good to be useful!"
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Post by theweatherman on Jun 15, 2011 11:47:07 GMT
Such a beautiful idea of life...
However I don't think he's going to be a recurring character and therefore we shouldn't grow too attached...
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Post by rainofsteel on Jun 15, 2011 11:49:40 GMT
Looks like that summer in the forest didn't teach Annie not to put her foot in it. In a forest run by Coyote, is it possible to put your foot in it? I would think doing or saying whatever came to mind was normal there, as long as you weren't going postal. -------------------------------------- It appears Diego is not only a genius at physical design, but seems equally adept at creating a mental design where his servants are happy on a deep internal philosophical level while being intelligent enough to carry on an advocacy of that philosophy directly in the face of someone pointing out their slavery, and even being just a tad bit condescending of the whole human profit and freedom motives. If only Diego had figured out that Jeanne would never love him. He could have created his own robot love. With aetheric/science technology embedded, they could have had a passel of little cyborgs to raise.
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Post by jasmijn on Jun 15, 2011 13:12:54 GMT
If only Diego had figured out that Jeanne would never love him. He could have created his own robot love. With aetheric/science technology embedded, they could have had a passel of little cyborgs to raise. Ew. Also: Frank is awesome.
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Post by King Mir on Jun 15, 2011 13:30:20 GMT
Nothing wrong with being a laborer and liking it. But there is an inequity in thinking of robots as lesser beings.
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Post by Aurelia Verity on Jun 15, 2011 14:26:14 GMT
If only Diego had figured out that Jeanne would never love him. He could have created his own robot love. With aetheric/science technology embedded, they could have had a passel of little cyborgs to raise. I don't think that's how cyborgs are generally produced. Also there would be a good chance of Diego getting injured. Then again, one of Annie's ancestors did somehow hook up with essentially fire.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 15, 2011 14:52:37 GMT
It appears Diego is not only a genius at physical design, but seems equally adept at creating a mental design where his servants are happy on a deep internal philosophical level while being intelligent enough to carry on an advocacy of that philosophy directly in the face of someone pointing out their slavery, and even being just a tad bit condescending of the whole human profit and freedom motives. If only Diego had figured out that Jeanne would never love him. He could have created his own robot love. With aetheric/science technology embedded, they could have had a passel of little cyborgs to raise. Just more evidence that Diego understood robots better than he understood humans.
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Post by Alexandragon on Jun 15, 2011 16:03:44 GMT
Interesting, why Kat is sad?
P.S.: Annie, STOP TALKING!)
It's beautiful page.
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Post by crater on Jun 15, 2011 16:05:12 GMT
I respect Ann for getting the elephant in the room cleared up so fast. Hard questions have to be asked!!!
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Post by smjjames on Jun 15, 2011 17:21:15 GMT
I respect Ann for getting the elephant in the room cleared up so fast. Hard questions have to be asked!!! Isn't asking the hard questions also part of being a medium? Interesting, why Kat is sad? P.S.: Annie, STOP TALKING!) It's beautiful page. Maybe she feels guilty about dismantling one of them in 420 and 421? Although she seems to have reassembled it on 422. However, Frank is the only known Ancestor that can still fully function. So, we don't know how many are in what amounts to eternal stasis or reached a point where they simply stopped functioning. Still, she could be sad in the same way that Franks story would affect us readers.
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Post by icekatze on Jun 15, 2011 17:23:22 GMT
hi hi
Quite a disturbing outlook on existence, though it makes sense for something that a creator would try to bestow on his servants. We often hear people argue that the ends justify the means, so I guess it is fitting that robots would argue that the means justify the ends... whatever those ends may be, it doesn't matter.
Edit: I think the newer robots, and Robotâ„¢ in particular, are beginning to discover that they have their own motivations though. (love perhaps)
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Post by smjjames on Jun 15, 2011 17:28:03 GMT
hi hi Quite a disturbing outlook on existence, though it makes sense for something that a creator would try to bestow on his servants. We often hear people argue that the ends justify the means, so I guess it is fitting that robots would argue that the means justify the ends... whatever those ends may be, it doesn't matter. Well, it is from the Ancestor robots point of view rather than a human point of view. Whether it was something they developed on their own or something Diego bestowed or programmed into them, we don't know and probably never will know.
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Post by blahzor on Jun 15, 2011 18:07:29 GMT
That indeed is a really beautiful philosophy. I like it how the modern robots basically still follow the same principle, only simplified (just like their overall designs have become less intricate/more practical. Quote Robot: " It's good to be useful!" pretty sure her giving him the choice at that point is what cause Robot to be truly different from the rest of the robots of the court (1st generation excluded)
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Post by fronzel on Jun 15, 2011 18:14:37 GMT
I'm reminded of Aristotle's definition of happiness: "The exercise of vital powers along lines of excellence in a life affording them scope."
Also, it's very usual and interesting to define robots as such sensuous beings. Drawing this from the concept that their senses cannot dull is quite clever.
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Post by Rafael on Jun 15, 2011 22:30:20 GMT
So, robot philosophy is pretty awesome. It appears Diego is not only a genius at physical design, but seems equally adept at creating a mental design where his servants are happy on a deep internal philosophical level while being intelligent enough to carry on an advocacy of that philosophy directly in the face of someone pointing out their slavery, and even being just a tad bit condescending of the whole human profit and freedom motives. I don't think that's the case, really. It seems the court robots are not programmed in the way we're familiar with. Consider the music robot who never learned to play. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=647I'm lost in the details, but I think robot philosophy, maybe all robot thought, is independent from the purpose they're created for.
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Post by rainofsteel on Jun 16, 2011 1:28:16 GMT
Come on, you have heard of Chobits and other similar manga/anime, right? And Bladerunner (although replicants weren't quite robots). And other things before them. It's not a new idea. I don't think that's how cyborgs are generally produced. Also there would be a good chance of Diego getting injured. And this isn't how puppies are made: freefall.purrsia.com/ff2000/fc01948.htmHowever, it's the thought that is amusing. I wonder how Ysengrin would have reacted to a cyborg; half natural, half machine being. Not well, I'd imagine. I wonder if we're ever going to meet a fire elemental to see if we can get an idea of what Annie's ancestors were like? Do fire elementals die? Is her ancestor still around? That robot was playing random notes. Annie assumed it was meant to play music. It looks more like a mobile speaker than a music robot to me.
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Post by nero on Jun 16, 2011 2:10:54 GMT
This is what I took from Fatherbot: Diego made the golem-robots. Diego sees them as his children, www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=659The robots are eternally grateful to Diego because he gave them life and a purpose, they extend this feeling of gratitude to all humans. Servitude can be either a bad thing or a good thing. There are people who tend to housekeeping for their employers which is fine as long as they get paid for it and are respected. The Court needs to give more respect to the robots, since they should have a choice in what they do. It isn't right to restrict the actions of a conscious mind.
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