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Post by Max on May 23, 2011 7:01:11 GMT
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Post by Ulysses on May 23, 2011 7:02:46 GMT
Dammit! At least we picked the same thread title. I'll go delete mine.
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Post by edzepp on May 23, 2011 7:03:41 GMT
'Robots as golems' is a great observation.
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Post by SpitefulFox on May 23, 2011 7:05:12 GMT
"Magitech" robots! I love this chapter. It seems like all my favorite GC chapters are about robots.
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Post by smjjames on May 23, 2011 7:09:38 GMT
Annie has it right on there. A golem is the same basic concept of a modern robot, a construct that was given instructions via some means, software for the robots, magical commands for golems.
Of course though, we haven't completely mastered the trick of self replicating machines (other than nature and 4 billion years of evolution).
I wonder whats up with the robots reaction (the burst of three lines) in the last panel.
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Post by Max on May 23, 2011 7:17:47 GMT
Well that's an ominous sounding page note, Tom.
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Post by mudmaniac on May 23, 2011 8:02:06 GMT
Well that's an ominous sounding page note, Tom. Sounds like Annie is playing the "Race Card" here. |
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Post by wanderer on May 23, 2011 11:26:45 GMT
Well that's an ominous sounding page note, Tom. Sounds like Annie is playing the "Race Card" here. But she's right. Kat has repeatedly been exposed to the supernatural, yet still thinks "golems are just fairytales?" It really needs to be made abundantly clear to her that she cannot deny the existence of something just because she doesn't understand how it would work. |
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Post by zylonbane on May 23, 2011 11:40:44 GMT
No disassemble!
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Post by Alexandragon on May 23, 2011 11:40:45 GMT
Ahaha) +100 Looks like now Annie likes GC's robots bigger and bigger. P.S.: Also, Annie now has a red Joker in her sleeve... Well that's an ominous sounding page note, Tom. I think so too... Interesting, what now will that change in her studding and relations with other pupils, and Mr. Eglamore and Donlans?.. Looks like, that the robot on last panel has reflected,whether will Katya disassemble him too...  For a science, of course))) |
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Post by legion on May 23, 2011 13:27:25 GMT
I like how the robot gives a thumb up when he says "none taken".
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Post by Spades Slick on May 23, 2011 14:54:11 GMT
Don't feel too bad for Diego, Kat. Scientist or magician, he was still a bit of a d-bag :/
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Post by atteSmythe on May 23, 2011 15:04:53 GMT
Don't feel too bad for Diego, Kat. Scientist or magician, he was still a bit of a d-bag :/ But at least before, we figured he was a d-bag FOR SCIENCE! Doing it for magic just makes you look like a bully. |
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Post by smjjames on May 23, 2011 15:41:01 GMT
P.S.: Also, Annie now has a red Joker in her sleeve... What are you talking about? |
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Post by jasmijn on May 23, 2011 15:44:55 GMT
P.S.: Also, Annie now has a red Joker in her sleeve... What are you talking about? Her "fire elemental" race card. I think it's a joke that didn't completely survive the language barrier. |
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Post by smjjames on May 23, 2011 15:56:51 GMT
Oh I see, yea the whole race card thing Tom was referring to. Along the same lines, she could say that gods aren't real, and yet theres Coyote and the psychopomps. I know psychopomps aren't always gods, but some are, hermes for example.
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Post by theweatherman on May 23, 2011 15:58:36 GMT
Kat in the last panel is absolutely ADORABLE!!
Annie has gone all speechy on us! Hooray! Kat is learning new stuff!
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Post by crater on May 23, 2011 16:52:08 GMT
Darn, Kat still has a strong bastion of scientific disbelief in magic. Normally I'd see it as grounds to call her closed minded but now it's just impressive.
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Post by atteSmythe on May 23, 2011 17:14:44 GMT
I actually read Kat's disbelief as hinting at a bit of desperation on her part. So far as we've seen, she has no (outward) etheric talents. This is something that was supposed to be hers - purely mechanical, purely science...and now it's etheric, too. It has to be getting hard for her to figure out where her niche is.
Edit: Desperation isn't quite the right word...exasperation?
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Post by Dvandaemon on May 23, 2011 18:42:30 GMT
'Robots as golems' is a great observation. It's a very logical conclusion that I'm surprised no one brought up |
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Post by Mishmash on May 23, 2011 19:19:23 GMT
I love this page, Annie looks so cool and in her element, despite robots generally being more Kat's territory.
Anyone else thinking Kat is pondering dismantling the little guy in the last panel to compare him to his ancestor?
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Post by scaramousche on May 23, 2011 19:22:33 GMT
Annie looks so cool and in her element She's on fire today! (BA DUM KSSSH) (Sorry.) |
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Post by ethanblack on May 23, 2011 20:05:36 GMT
I actually read Kat's disbelief as hinting at a bit of desperation on her part. So far as we've seen, she has no (outward) etheric talents. This is something that was supposed to be hers - purely mechanical, purely science...and now it's etheric, too. It has to be getting hard for her to figure out where her niche is. Edit: Desperation isn't quite the right word...exasperation? She'd definatley be exasperated however, i'd like to enterpret this (the latest page) differently. What if the key is that she (Kat) does have an etheric talent, and this is why? If the scripture is the software, and the heart is the hardware, it's simply an extension of the same thing. If she can build processors and write software for these machines, she's doing just as Diago did. It was said that things that have not yet been explained are magic, simply put the magic of electronics and microtransistors has been explained, but it's no less astounding and special. Kat must simply figure out the technology of the past. It's all the same. It's science. Etheric Science. |
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Post by kagredon on May 24, 2011 0:52:49 GMT
I don't think it's so unbelievable that Kat could accept minotaurs and fire elementals, but still have an incredulous reaction to golems.
Think of it this way: if tomorrow, real live unicorns were discovered in a forest somewhere, it would be surprising, but it wouldn't really change our modern conception of biology. It's improbable that creatures that large would be undetected for so long, but it's hardly impossible. They'd get assigned a taxonomic name, there'd be unicorn conservation centers, zoos would get increased traffic for a few months, but in the end, a world with unicorns is not all that different from one without.
Now, if a perpetual motion machine were discovered tomorrow, that'd be a different story. Several hundred years worth of experiment and theory would need to be re-examined, nearly everything we understand about physics would have to be refined or thrown out to match this new development.
So, yeah, I don't find it that weird that Kat has learned to accept that there are strange creatures living out in the forest, but still has trouble when asked to reconsider everything she knows (and it's a considerable amount!) about mechanics and engineering. I do wish Annie or Mrs. Donlan or both would get around to explaining the "rules" that govern ether, though, because I really want to see what happens when all that creativity and focus gets turned onto the ether.
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Post by Tierra Y Libertad on May 24, 2011 1:20:27 GMT
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!
I love golems! Does this mean we get to go to Prague or hang out with Czechs? Golems are the best! If Antimony made a golem, that would be cool. Or taught Kat to make one. Dirt Golems are best, but metal ones are good also.
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Post by smjjames on May 24, 2011 3:34:21 GMT
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH! I love golems! Does this mean we get to go to Prague or hang out with Czechs? Golems are the best! If Antimony made a golem, that would be cool. Or taught Kat to make one. Dirt Golems are best, but metal ones are good also. Dirt golems? I think you mean clay golems, or dried mud even. AFAIK, a golem needs a solid material, but I guess if you magically compact it and hold it together, it could work. Also, summer vacation was just over for Annie and Kat, so they aren't going anywhere outside the court anytime soon. Actually, outside of flashbacks and Zimmys mindwarping, we've never actually 'left' the court or the woods. I don't think it's so unbelievable that Kat could accept minotaurs and fire elementals, but still have an incredulous reaction to golems. Think of it this way: if tomorrow, real live unicorns were discovered in a forest somewhere, it would be surprising, but it wouldn't really change our modern conception of biology. It's improbable that creatures that large would be undetected for so long, but it's hardly impossible. They'd get assigned a taxonomic name, there'd be unicorn conservation centers, zoos would get increased traffic for a few months, but in the end, a world with unicorns is not all that different from one without. Now, if a perpetual motion machine were discovered tomorrow, that'd be a different story. Several hundred years worth of experiment and theory would need to be re-examined, nearly everything we understand about physics would have to be refined or thrown out to match this new development. So, yeah, I don't find it that weird that Kat has learned to accept that there are strange creatures living out in the forest, but still has trouble when asked to reconsider everything she knows (and it's a considerable amount!) about mechanics and engineering. I do wish Annie or Mrs. Donlan or both would get around to explaining the "rules" that govern ether, though, because I really want to see what happens when all that creativity and focus gets turned onto the ether. Unicorns are just horribly misidentified rhinos, Indian rhinos I think. At least thats where the myth origionated. How the rhino turned into a horse with a narwhal tusk stuck into its forehead, I have no idea. |
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Post by Hai-Etlik on May 24, 2011 7:31:48 GMT
It's entirely right of Kat to be sceptical about any new phenomenon until she has sufficient evidence. The existence of Fire Elementals does not imply the existence of Golems. We've discovered many new things we didn't know about in the real world, but that doesn't mean we should believe in everything, after all, the way science discovers what's true is by chipping way what's false. She does drift into being wilfully closed minded at times rather than just sceptical but not to an excessive degree. For instance, she shouldn't dismiss that Diego's robots are Golems out of hand, but she shouldn't accept it without further study either as they might be nanotechnology, psionic, or something else entirely.
The etheric is not necessarily supernatural, it may simply be natural phenomena that science does not understand. In fact its been strongly suggested that it IS natural, at least partly, and that the science of the Court IS getting a grasp of it. Diego's robots, Blinker stones, etc. are exactly what the court calls them, Etheric Technology created with the knowledge from Etheric Science.
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Post by mojojojo on May 24, 2011 8:46:52 GMT
Has anyone suggested that Jones might be a Golem?
It fits, apart from the way she looks. And the talking - but then the original court robots could talk too.
(This seems such an obvious suggestion now, I'm sure someone must have suggested it in the Jones thread at some point)
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Post by atteSmythe on May 24, 2011 17:11:03 GMT
Has anyone suggested that Jones might be a Golem? It fits, apart from the way she looks. And the talking - but then the original court robots could talk too. (This seems such an obvious suggestion now, I'm sure someone must have suggested it in the Jones thread at some point) It was a pretty popular suggestion, back in the day. However, it seems unlikely that she is. Annie seems pretty familiar with the concept of a golem, but said she doesn't fully understand Jones despite Ysengrin trying to tell her what Jones is. |
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Post by atteSmythe on May 24, 2011 17:11:51 GMT
Ethanblack:
I agree with you, actually. I just don't think Kat's quite to that point, yet.
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For a science, of course)))
