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Post by Max on May 16, 2011 7:01:13 GMT
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Post by Cascal on May 16, 2011 7:02:08 GMT
The mysterious power source! I'm to unimaginative to come up with any theories what it is thou  |
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Post by Max on May 16, 2011 7:11:49 GMT
I wonder if this heart has anything to do with the heart in the Forth Treatise  Yeah, they're definitely related. |
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Post by hurston on May 16, 2011 7:25:15 GMT
I'm betting the power source will be etheric, and Kat will be really annoyed. I wonder if the robots would understand the writing.
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Post by hifranc on May 16, 2011 7:31:03 GMT
Given the nature of the fourth treatise, I suspect the power source is emotion. That would also fit in with a heart being used as the symbol to represent it.
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Post by Eversist on May 16, 2011 8:50:40 GMT
Whatever it is, for some reason I'm feeling it's pretty sinister in nature. Maybe it's just the anatomical heart that makes me feel that way, though.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 16, 2011 9:36:56 GMT
It looks like the connections between different things and the heart whatzit are represented by different flowers. Maybe the different traits of flowers mirror the different sorts of connections required to make the hand/limb/whatever work. Whatever it is, for some reason I'm feeling it's pretty sinister in nature. Maybe it's just the anatomical heart that makes me feel that way, though. I am reassured that it is not a trapped soul or fragment of soul by Muut's "We do not deal in electrical appliances" quote. I'm thinking that it is an artificial soul that Diego made by copying his own (see my previous wildspec). |
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Post by percival on May 16, 2011 11:13:59 GMT
He was talking about the tic-tocs then, which were not created by Diego. I still think it has something to do with trapping souls or spirits, human or otherwise, though I like the idea of Diego putting pieces of his own soul into the robots too. |
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Post by Mezzaphor on May 16, 2011 11:35:54 GMT
It's not a metaphorical heart. Diego powered his robots with the literal heart of an orphan child.
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Post by zylonbane on May 16, 2011 11:36:11 GMT
Captain Planet!
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Post by jayne on May 16, 2011 11:39:23 GMT
I was thinking Annie's skill with languages might help but as far as we know, she was taught spoken languages. She might not know how to read them.
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Post by Alexandragon on May 16, 2011 11:59:36 GMT
Hm. Interesting page. Maybe it's minimized model/copy of Seed Bismuth? Or Ether Essence?
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Post by aaroncampbell on May 16, 2011 12:49:48 GMT
Hm. Interesting page. Maybe it's minimized model/copy of Seed Bismuth? Or Ether Essence? My thoughts exactly! It looks like a bean just about ready to sprout, to me, with the root, shoot and leaf buds all bound compactly within. The picture from the Fourth Treatise looks much more like a heart, what with it being colored red and the backstory that we know of Jeanne, but in this page, with the flowers going around it, it looks more like the cross section of a germinated seed to me. Perhaps that's just a representation of the "growing" of emotion? Maybe that's what the seed bismuth is? I guess we'll find out in due time. |
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Post by q3 on May 16, 2011 13:36:58 GMT
I still think it has something to do with trapping souls or spirits, human or otherwise, though I like the idea of Diego putting pieces of his own soul into the robots too. But that would mean Diego is not only still alive, he cannot be killed until all of the robots are destroyed! |
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Post by frabaert on May 16, 2011 13:38:29 GMT
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Post by theweatherman on May 16, 2011 13:44:43 GMT
I doubt it will be literal hearts used for the robots, that would make the comic far more dark and I just can't see it.
But the important thing is we get to see more Kat!!!!!
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Post by basser on May 16, 2011 14:04:06 GMT
It's not a metaphorical heart. Diego powered his robots with the literal heart of an orphan child. It's powered by a FORSAKEN CHILD!? Dr. Venture: Might be, kind of—I mean, I didn't use the whole thing! |
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Post by Aurelia Verity on May 16, 2011 15:10:41 GMT
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Post by dismalscientist on May 16, 2011 15:32:42 GMT
I rather like the idea of some kind of artificial or mechanical soul, fabricated by Diego. The use of trapped or imprisoned souls I find a bit unlikely -- Diego was clearly capable of being not a good guy, but I don't think that kind of evil act easily meshes with the (delusional) remorse he felt. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me terribly.
It occurs to me that the "heart" could have something to do with the love for Jeanne felt by Diego's creations and their descendants. In religious art the heart of Christ, representing love, shines (often flaming) through his chest. A power source for humanity? Eh, I dunno, I'm not religious, and Siddell doesn't seem the type to stick blatant religious symbology into the comic. But Jeanne is seen as a kind of goddess and Kat an angel, so there you go.
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Post by darlos9d on May 16, 2011 15:40:04 GMT
But that would mean Diego is not only still alive, he cannot be killed until all of the robots are destroyed! Kat can me Mega Girl, Annie can be Protogirl. READY ::blip:: Also, it's nice to see Kat not being all like "oh no I can't use Diego's designs because he was bad so they are bad so I won't!!!" I would actually expect that from some other stories. Creative/inventive characters have a weird habit of declaring that they won't use a certain method (even if it really isn't bad) and will find their "own way." Which is stuuuuuuuuupid. Though in this case, there might still be a chance for Diego's methods to actually be bad freak Kat out again, as you guys have been saying. |
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Post by legion on May 16, 2011 15:48:51 GMT
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Post by kagredon on May 16, 2011 18:21:04 GMT
My first thought was that he'd discovered some way to create souls, but if the heart represents Diego's concept of love, then that could explain some of Robot's recent erratic behavior.
In the treatise, Jeanne's sword (with the arrow laid along it) is stabbing the heart and "tendrils" from the heart are wrapping around it. I wonder, too, if all the metaphorical references to hearts in chapter 30 might have something to do with this. If Kat and Annie had to destroy all the robots to free Jeanne, what would they do?
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Post by crater on May 16, 2011 19:44:48 GMT
you can't make a heart by mashing together random bits of flora and fauna
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Post by Chemical Rascal on May 16, 2011 20:00:27 GMT
I wonder if this heart has anything to do with the heart in the Forth TreatiseYeah, they're definitely related. Given that we only see small robots made by Diego prior to the shooting of the Green fellow, is it possible that the heart-power-source is Jeanne's broken one? That could explain the visual link between Jeanne and the heart in the treatise. |
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Post by levikiel on May 16, 2011 20:38:30 GMT
This page has the strange vaguely 3D cubic effect that is around the heart. I thought that at first  Evidently Diego is into D&D.
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Post by Cascal on May 16, 2011 21:05:00 GMT
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Post by Polly Plummer on May 16, 2011 21:55:35 GMT
you can't make a heart by mashing together random bits of flora and fauna In Gunnerkrigg Court, you can! ;D |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 16, 2011 22:15:10 GMT
He was talking about the tic-tocs then, which were not created by Diego. I still think it has something to do with trapping souls or spirits, human or otherwise, though I like the idea of Diego putting pieces of his own soul into the robots too. Diego has not been eliminated as a candidate for creating the Tic-Tocs. No guide came for the robot guard and he is apparently a Diego robot, therefore he is apparently an electrical appliance. If it was a bit of a human soul in there some 'pomp would've appeared to claim it. Also it has been formspring'd that there isn't a robot psychopomp. Given the religious-sounding stuff the robots believe I think that must mean that the synthetic souls are magical and not spiritual: a tweaked copy of Diego probably, but not Diego bits or other trapped people. |
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Post by mariposa on May 16, 2011 22:32:12 GMT
The fact that the heart is directly in between the Court and the Forest in the treatise leads me to believe that it was an etheric power source used to power the robots. And then I wonder how Diego found out about it, and then I remember him calling Jeanne's boyfriend a "traitor"...so maybe they were collaborators, or even friends, at some point before the divide?
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Post by Mezzaphor on May 16, 2011 23:25:43 GMT
He was talking about the tic-tocs then, which were not created by Diego. I still think it has something to do with trapping souls or spirits, human or otherwise, though I like the idea of Diego putting pieces of his own soul into the robots too. Diego has not been eliminated as a candidate for creating the Tic-Tocs. No guide came for the robot guard and he is apparently a Diego robot, therefore he is apparently an electrical appliance. If it was a bit of a human soul in there some 'pomp would've appeared to claim it. Also it has been formspring'd that there isn't a robot psychopomp. The psychopomps didn't come for Surma either; there was still enough left of her that Annie had to escort her to the other side. This implies that, in the Gunnerverse, having a soul is not an all-or-nothing proposition. The lack of a Guide for robots does not prove that robots lack a soul; it just indicates that robots lack the part of the soul that the Guides are interested in. I think the fact that the TicTocs look nothing like any of the other robots is rather strong evidence against Diego having created them. That and the fact that the robots themselves don't think Diego created them. |
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Evidently Diego is into D&D.
