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Post by Max on Dec 29, 2010 8:00:51 GMT
Of course----------- I will be away this Friday, if someone else wants to have a go at posting the new thread.
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Post by Yin on Dec 29, 2010 8:02:11 GMT
Oh dear. You can just see that metric ton of guilt slamming down on her.
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Post by wombat on Dec 29, 2010 8:03:11 GMT
Awww. In a way.
Also, the warping backgrounds are cool.
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Post by edzepp on Dec 29, 2010 8:03:15 GMT
Annie's feeling pretty jerky right now.
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Post by Brinunah on Dec 29, 2010 8:03:37 GMT
Well.... I bet Annie feels pretty darn stupid right about now. If anything, the face in the last panel helps solidify that theory >>
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Post by amanmademonster on Dec 29, 2010 8:04:52 GMT
Poor Ys, left out of the loop
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Post by gildarts on Dec 29, 2010 8:07:00 GMT
well....shit now annie will feel even more crap XD
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Post by Max on Dec 29, 2010 8:07:51 GMT
Wait, why should she feel guilty? It's not her fault Renard loves her.
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Post by ryos on Dec 29, 2010 8:10:48 GMT
Creepy Coyote is creepy. Swirling about, never standing still, his nervous twirling and pacing at odds with his nonchalant words. What is with that background of horror-flick trees whenever he's alone in a panel? Makes me think he's really quite upset and about to do something unsettling.
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Post by Yin on Dec 29, 2010 8:10:55 GMT
True. But it's apparently been his choice to remain at the Court and protect her despite all her antics (although that last one was... eh...).
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Post by asianborat on Dec 29, 2010 8:20:42 GMT
Shit's going down. Oh god! :0
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Post by SpitefulFox on Dec 29, 2010 8:22:03 GMT
Just registered. First post. Anyways...
Anyone else find it odd that Coyote's teeth are serrated in panels 3 and 5? It makes it look like he's angry in spite of his smile.
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Post by Brinunah on Dec 29, 2010 8:26:10 GMT
Wait, why should she feel guilty? It's not her fault Renard loves her. For me, it's that she feels guilty since she blew up on Renard (who loves her dearly). It's like when you say hateful things to your parents just to be a prat, though you don't mean them and feel bad you said them. She's at that guilt stage, ya know?
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Post by dante on Dec 29, 2010 8:32:23 GMT
The plot thickens. See panel two of this comic. Compare and contrast with today's page: how Renard feels, and the middling laws of man. And, indeed, that entire page, leading on to #284. I think someone isn't being honest.
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Post by whattheziek on Dec 29, 2010 8:45:41 GMT
Annie's expression in the last panel : "Fuuuuuuuu-- I messed up." Awkward teenage-parentfigure relationship is now established.
The vorpalwarpy trees are cool. Just showing Coyote's mad reality-bending skills. Either that, or Ysengrin has been doing tree-sculpting in his free-time and Coyote is merely accentuating his 'terryfing skills of gardening'.
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Post by allec on Dec 29, 2010 8:50:44 GMT
For me, the most interesting thing in this page is that Ysengrin is outraged.
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Post by Max on Dec 29, 2010 8:53:08 GMT
Thanks for the clarification about Annie's guilt. Another thing I think is notable about this page: Ysengrin, despite his obvious distaste for Renard, is still outraged that Coyote would abandon him to the Court. It seems his loyalty to the forest (or hatred of the Court) outweighs his feelings toward Renard.
EDIT: Ninja'd by allec.
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Post by noblemanofreason on Dec 29, 2010 8:53:51 GMT
When I first read the page, I was wondering how Coyote could have a high opinion of Surma after that. But then I realised that Coyote probably likes nothing more than a good trick. His opinion for her might of even gone up. I have also had an interesting thought. Jones is currently acting like as if to prevent Annie from telling something to Coyote and/or Ysengrin. We know now that Coyote knew about Renard. What if Jones is trying to hide the circumstances behind Surma's death? I came to this conclusion from looking back at when Coyote first met Annie and was told she was the daughter of Surma (seen here www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=275). Note the last panel with Coyote. From his wording, it sounds as if he doesn't know about Surma's condition. If it is true, how does Jones know that Annie found out? And why try to keep it from Coyote?
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Post by scatter on Dec 29, 2010 9:30:11 GMT
What if Jones is trying to hide the circumstances behind Surma's death? I came to this conclusion from looking back at when Coyote first met Annie and was told she was the daughter of Surma (seen here www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=275). Note the last panel with Coyote. From his wording, it sounds as if he doesn't know about Surma's condition. If it is true, how does Jones know that Annie found out? And why try to keep it from Coyote? How could Reynard know and not Coyote? Did he run around the court in human flesh long enough to learn this? Or did Surma tell him and not Coyote? I had always thought that Rey was caught fairly quickly, then locked up. Now, I wonder...
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Post by noblemanofreason on Dec 29, 2010 9:37:42 GMT
How could Reynard know and not Coyote? Did he run around the court in human flesh long enough to learn this? Or did Surma tell him and not Coyote? I had always thought that Rey was caught fairly quickly, then locked up. Now, I wonder... My theory is that after Renard possessed Sivo and was locked up, Surma felt guilty and decided to leave the court, but visted Renard one last time and told him of her intention to bear a child, despite what it would do to her. That's why he quickly concluded that Annie was Surma's daughter when they first met.
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Post by ladyset on Dec 29, 2010 10:20:30 GMT
For me, the most interesting thing in this page is that Ysengrin is outraged. i agree, ysengrin and reynard may not "like" each other but they did come from the same series of stories.... they knew each other and to find out he was tricked and your boss KNEW about, not telling you, ysengrin should be a little angry! and i'm really excited to see where this 'reynard loves annie' thing goes!! Attachments:
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Post by Alexandragon on Dec 29, 2010 10:41:12 GMT
Wow! Looks like it will be more and more interesting by way of time...
P.S.: And Coyote's face at first panel... He was really angry... Also, Annie's faces are so invaluable.
Ys rules, and now he don't like Coyote so much...
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Post by ef on Dec 29, 2010 10:56:11 GMT
There are only so many reasons why Renard would love Antimony. While having come close to possessing her body.
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Post by todd on Dec 29, 2010 11:44:39 GMT
How could Reynard know and not Coyote? Did he run around the court in human flesh long enough to learn this? Or did Surma tell him and not Coyote? I had always thought that Rey was caught fairly quickly, then locked up. Now, I wonder... We know that some time must have passed between Reynardine's possession of the young man and his possession of Sivo (he was in Sivo's body for about five years, he possessed the young man while Surma was still at the Court - meaning that Annie hadn't been born yet, and so at least seven years would have to have passed between those two events). I hadn't thought of it until the last panel (though I should have), but the revelation that: a) Annie is, in a sense, a regeneration of Surma - in a separate body, but still having received her fire, and b) Reynardine knew it, throws new light on his attitude towards her. I hope he understands that Annie's below the age of consent (though her etheric hold on him would keep him from doing anything towards her).
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Post by ef on Dec 29, 2010 11:45:03 GMT
How could Reynard know and not Coyote? Did he run around the court in human flesh long enough to learn this? Or did Surma tell him and not Coyote? I had always thought that Rey was caught fairly quickly, then locked up. Now, I wonder... My theory is that after Renard possessed Sivo and was locked up, Surma felt guilty and decided to leave the court, but visted Renard one last time and told him of her intention to bear a child, despite what it would do to her. That's why he quickly concluded that Annie was Surma's daughter when they first met. Deleted original post for too much speculation. This one has less, somehow. Sivo's possession was a little over 5 years (pg.57). Annie was much older than 5 years (I believe) when Renard ditches his body, I certainly doubt 5 more years have passed while in the court. Anthony Carver had made his absence of the hospital for around the same time frame as the 5 years Sivo had been possessed. This leaves an open possibility that Renard-possessed Mr. Carver could have been projecting his presence to Surma in this hospital. Giving cause for both Carver's sudden disappearance as well as Renard's constant damnification of Annie's father (who he could be, in a few ways). I do believe Renard may have admitted Anthony Carver was Annie's father, but a lot of the details seem all too coincidental and dialogue does not always equal storyline canon. There have been so many times where Annie's asked Renard a question about her father where he's answered in a manner that points at himself. Lastly, Annie goes to the Court as a consequence of her mother passing on - It seems far more likely that Renard realized Annie's presence in the Court meant Surma had died (away from the Court, which in turn prompts Annie to go there) rather than his comments being born from a sudden realization that Surma had conceived a child (and subsequently died, with no other evidence than that it was right in front of him). Annie was alive for some time while her mother was; Who's to say that Surma couldn't have been in the Court was Annie was growing up at the age she was (at the time of the meeting)? Heck, Renard even knew that Annie would have to grow a great deal (mom to daughter fire transaction), so what other than the fact that Annie was in the Court told him that Surma had passed on? Cause and effect, I like to think.
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Post by rebecca on Dec 29, 2010 12:31:30 GMT
Your timings a little off. We first know of Anthony's disappearance at the end of Annie's first year at GC, so much less than five years since he left the hospital.
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Post by debaser on Dec 29, 2010 13:49:46 GMT
Coyote: Not very happy, check out his eyes in the first panel
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Post by jayne on Dec 29, 2010 14:25:13 GMT
Coyote's love for his cousin is fleeting at best... Rey's been stuck there for at least 14 years without much thought of rescue by Coyote. "There has been virtually no dialog with Gillitie Forest for a long time" Annie's robot adventures in chapter one initiated current events. Ysengrin found the robot and decided on his own to capture/rescue Rey to please Coyote.
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Post by q3 on Dec 29, 2010 14:29:17 GMT
For me, the most interesting thing in this page is that Ysengrin is outraged. And further, that he is outraged at Coyote, for abandoning Renard - not at Annie or Jones, the representatives of the Court and of humanity (?), or even Surma, the one who actually tricked Renard in the first place. More evidence that Ysengrin's motives are more complicated than "hate humans, love Coyote."
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Post by tyto on Dec 29, 2010 14:31:50 GMT
my guess would be that Ys so pissed beacause the whole "leaving the forest" episode is the reason he's so angry with renard, i mean www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=491 (-- notice the aboundance of ears in the first panel.. when would be the first option for a time when an ear was dropped..., and a powerful tree body was accepted... also, last panel: "shot through the hearttt and you're to blameeeee" every trip to the forest ends up with coyote outing renard as a softy softy, so cute, between him and jones they're making a habit of emasculating our old trickster demon
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